remington equipment auction
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from what I understand most of it is worn out. Which was part of the declining quality of Remington products. Remington moving could not happen to a better place than NY. Why would any firearms maker stay in the northwest
Northwest or northeast? Why would they stay in either.
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if you've never worked in a manufacturing facility built in the early 1900s, i'll say its interesting and a piece of history.
the ilion plant was set up to do everything under one roof (take in raw material and make it into firearms), thats just not how its done today and probable never will be again.
and just a question for anyone really (not quoting you on this tim), how do you wear out a lathe?
Craftsmen making parts on individual machine tools. Couldn’t be adapted to the modern way of manufacturing. Sort of makes me think of the US in some ways. Sad to see it no longer viable, but “progress” demands we move on.
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The creaking wood are what i remember from the savage building (it was Charlestown mall when i was a kid)
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I would guess you wear out any piece of equipment with union labor. Operator not allowed to maintain the equipment, no oil or grease for 30 years could wear out anything.
The floors which look just like a standard hardwood floor are actually 2 x10s laid on their sides to support the weight of the machinery. I was fortunate enough to spend quite a bit of time at the factory. There are huge abandoned areas that still have the old belt driven machines. Place is built into a hill, so you can start on one floor and end up on a totally different floor without realizing it. Just the building itself is a fascinating piece of history, but sadly it's time has come. Still have friends that will be affected by this.
It is actually pretty easy to do. Don't clean or service it and you will see it going down pretty quickly.
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Even with some maintenance. The Ways(guides) wear out over time and are no longer square or tight. And machines in a factory setting like this one will have probably 100's of thousands of hours on it. It will just get worn.
I spoke to a guy that was included in the auction process the first go around for Remington. He was with Palmetto State Armory. He said as well that many companies noted on how worn/clapped out the equipment was.
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Still be worth buying (cheaply), and refurbing?
And from what ive heard, this is the stuff thats not being moved to ga (for obvious reasons)
Another interesting sidenote on the machinery. One of my first trips to Ilion and I was still fairly new and still confined to the "stay in the yellow lines tour". Tour was being given by a Union employee, won't mention his name, since he thought he was kind of a big deal in the sniper community. Came to an automated barrel machine, me being originally from the furniture industry asked after how many quality was checked, knowing things move, cutters wear etc. Was told it is a "100% operation." Not understanding what that meant, I asked again and got the same answer. I finally understood that this Union idiot thought that since it was automated, it did not need to be checked. Well thankfully I spoke to other employees that gave me the correct answer, but totally soured me on anything Union. I kind of understand, but if the whistle blew, they woud walk away from you mid sentence. On the flip side of that I met and worked with 100s of other employees over the years that were totally dedicated to the brand and making as good a product as possible. They truely did "bleed green". Unfortunately, lots of times, corporate management overrode common sense.
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Final inspection used to be a thing (many many family members worked there, some as inspectors), and back then if a firearm failed it didn't just get thrown in a box to ship to a customer. Corporate owners have pushed this crap of shipping junk and seeing what comes back for warranty under the mistake belief its cheaper, while misunderstanding the long term damage they've done to the brand.
Yeah, lots of the old names are that way. Have you seen the colt building?
We call it being MBA'd. Someone gets brought in a mid-senior position and use everything they learned in school and gut quality as its the biggest 'non value cost' to manufacturing.
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Not necessarily able to be refurbished. The ways are precision ground for the table. A lot of times those are part of the base casting. And in the case of manufacturing the same part, you get wear in a certain part. 95% of the way could have never been traveled on, but the tailstock may always ride on the same 8 inches for decades.
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We took a field trip to the Utica Club brewery when I was in middle school in Schenectady. I had no idea at the time that Remington was there (no gun culture at home), but we must have driven through Ilion to get there.
My dad was raised in Little Falls.
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they had (no idea what happened/will happen to it) a really nice museum attached to the factory. be nice if that stayed in the area, somehow i doubt it will.
and little falls...got through there all the time. if anyone is headed that way, lookout mansion is beautiful and general herkimer home.
It's a sad thing to see even though I have no personal connection other than being a user of Remington firearms from back when I was a mere teenager.
I was always told that place was a superfund site, so I'm a little leery of taking any 'building' materials out of it if such were offered.
Wonder who is going to wind up holding the bag on that property, so to speak, for the clean up? Shirley Joe's EPA is going to be all over the Hedge Fund that ran it into the ground to tidy up before they run out the door?
I was always told that place was a superfund site, so I'm a little leery of taking any 'building' materials out of it if such were offered.
Wonder who is going to wind up holding the bag on that property, so to speak, for the clean up? Shirley Joe's EPA is going to be all over the Hedge Fund that ran it into the ground to tidy up before they run out the door?
