When you tried that here at the ATM shooting a hostile at 5 feet..how did that work?I agree - I was taught to practice retention shooting with my wrist/forearm indexed at my hip. But that training was in context of fighting with a gun and hanging on to it, not competing with one. It may very well be easier to score hits on paper with the elbow index and forearm forward. I dunno.
Ken Hackathorn is a legend and I dearly hope I might be able to take a class with him before he completely retires from training. So there's no disrespect at all intended in this. But I don't like that approach at all. If you're close enough so that you're using your support hand to fend or fight, then you're close enough that putting the gun out in front of you is probably a bad idea. If you're far enough away that you can get the gun out in front of you, why shoot one handed? (i.e. shoot from compressed ready instead.)It seems like an approach that's neither fish nor fowl. For retention, it seems to me (in my own admittedly largely ignorant position) that Craig Douglas has established the state of the art.
HA!at my advanced age,
I think the standard objection to the speed rock is that while it may be fast it is madness to put yourself in such a profoundly compromised position when a guy who is (presumably) an imminent lethal threat is within arms reach of you.
I was doin' some old fashion Speed Rocks Sunday with Charlie and @Millie on the range. With target 2 yards away I was putting a round on From Concealment in .44 sec. I guess at my advanced age, I'll just stick to that.
Also, and I am open to any reasonable suggestions. How is being able to put rounds on a target from relaxed concealment in .44 seconds Not a good thing. Call it any retention "name" you need to call it, it's effective. IF shooting a target at 2 yards in .44 seconds from concealment is Not a good self defense tool...I have wasted a lotta years.
As always when carrying a Tiny gun in your pocket, we start with hand in pocket. Nothing more natural. Nobody thinks anything of folks standing with their hands in their pocket.
Also, and I am open to any reasonable suggestions. How is being able to put rounds on a target from relaxed concealment in .44 seconds Not a good thing. Call it any retention "name" you need to call it, it's effective. IF shooting a target at 2 yards in .44 seconds from concealment is Not a good self defense tool...I have wasted a lotta years. As always I am open to Anybody Showing me a better, quicker, more accurate way to protect myself. ...Showing me....not Telling me.
@NKD, I appreciate your interest Ole Pard. I carry this way Every Day of my life, so I practice this way. Great speed advantage, terrible little gun disadvantage.
We are able to do all of that here. If I live until Saturday I will be 73. I am a young thug's worst nightmare. A mark too old to Run Or Fight. Been doin this quite a while.....come down and join us Anytime. I'm usually here after 1 PM every day and most week ends. We tell folks "if you wanna rapell down a wall with your hair on fire shooting full auto, we can't help you. If you wanna drive your car, go to the ATM, go out to eat, go to the Big Box after sundown, All with a plan to return home...we are the place to come." As always our Only incentive is to help you feel better when you leave. Of course we like to remind everybody, New and Old members, Everything here Is FREE. The range, the time, The Bunk House and usually some cake or pie. We have no interest in making one penny off any who seek our help....ever. At least as long as I'm runnin the show???????If you have someone who is willing to wrestle over a bluegun with you, or if you have a gym that will let you practice a concealed draw while fighting a heavybag or laying under a jumbo sandbag at the buzzer, you'll probably hold the gun higher and tighter to your torso instinctively to maintain control.
We are able to do all of that here. If I live until Saturday I will be 73. I am a young thug's worst nightmare. A mark too old to Run Or Fight. Been doin this quite a while.....come down and join us Anytime. I'm usually here after 1 PM every day and most week ends. We tell folks "if you wanna rapell down a wall with your hair on fire shooting full auto, we can't help you. If you wanna drive your car, go to the ATM, go out to eat, go to the Big Box after sundown, All with a plan to return home...we are the place to come." As always our Only incentive is to help you feel better when you leave. Of course we like to remind everybody, New and Old members, Everything here Is FREE. The range, the time, The Bunk House and usually some cake or pie. We have no interest in making one penny off any who seek our help....ever. At least as long as I'm runnin the show???????
I wish you a very happy birthday!If I live until Saturday I will be 73.