Ruger LCP headed back to Ruger

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My old LCP was wearing out so I got a new one, and it's a lemon.

150 rounds of 6 types of ammo (5 commercial 95gr ball and my 100gr handloads) and its unable to get through a mag without an extraction failure or a nice ugly double feed. Tried 3 different mags, no difference.

I got it at FG&G and they're taking care of sending it back to Ruger for me, didn't even have to open an RMA with Ruger myself. That's handy.

I'll update the thread when Ruger gets it back to me and if they do anything and/or if it runs correctly.

The last 20 rounds of Wolf 380 I had gave itself to documenting some typical failures:

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Keep us updated on what happens. Hope they can get it straighten out quickly.
 
I have the older model and it keeps pumping them out. Never had a problem with whatever I shot through it.
 
I’ve never had an issue with my old model LCP -
If I kept it clean and lubed. Loose pocket carry does tend dry it out with pocket lint.
LC9 was a different story
 
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I wonder if Ruger test fires these before they ship? 6 to 10 rounds of 380 is a significant percent of the overall cost on those things, especially in the last few years.
 
keepcalmandcarryon said:
I wonder if Ruger test fires these before they ship? 6 to 10 rounds of 380 is a significant percent of the overall cost on those things, especially in the last few years.
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I was thinking about that more after you said it. Let's assume:

- it costs $1 in ammo and technician time to fire 6 rounds
- cost to rework a failed gun in testing is $15 in technician time including a retest
- product failure rate is 1%
- failure detection is 50% (ie half the people that buy them don't actually fire them at all, just load and stick in a drawer or never actually load it at all)
- cost of failure is $60 in shipping both ways and technician time to replace all the moving parts and test fire

For 1000 units:

cost to test each unit and fix failures: $1 x 1000 + $15 x (1000 x 0.01) = $1150
cost to remediate 50% of 1% of failures = $60 x (1000 x 0.01 x 0.5) = $300

Skip the test and fix failures in the field... saves them money. Even if every one purchased got fired it would still be cheaper. Even doubling or tripling the costs to repair is still a break even if the actual failure rate isn't 1%.

Someone check my math, I would hate for @keepcalmandcarryon to be right; he'll be a smug bastard for a week.
 
I love the LCP but they can be finicky- pays to do some test firing.

Have a writeup on here somewhere about my LCP 2 .22 experience - basically swapped out all springs for reliability.
 
I’m strongly considering selling mine. I carried an LCPII for about a year and it was awesome. Never had an issue. Until it did. And now it won’t cycle a magazine or two before messing up. I’ve considered sending it back, but not sure I want the hassle.
 
I bought a new LPC probably 3 years ago (NC-made) and it didn't work right. More or less what Jayne describes. Ruger sent me a label, picked the gun up, had it back to me in something like a week, and it works great now. They said they replaced the whole slide. I do believe that when you get a Ruger that's a lemon, they'll fix it for you. I also believe you have a relatively high likelihood of getting a lemon from Ruger. I've sent back 2 new Ruger handguns out of maybe 5 total new Rugers I've bought over the years, so 20%. Admittedly not a very wide sample size. On the other hand, 2 new 10-22's have both been perfect.
 
Jayne said:
I was thinking about that more after you said it. Let's assume:

- it costs $1 in ammo and technician time to fire 6 rounds
- cost to rework a failed gun in testing is $15 in technician time including a retest
- product failure rate is 1%
- failure detection is 50% (ie half the people that buy them don't actually fire them at all, just load and stick in a drawer or never actually load it at all)
- cost of failure is $60 in shipping both ways and technician time to replace all the moving parts and test fire

For 1000 units:

cost to test each unit and fix failures: $1 x 1000 + $15 x (1000 x 0.01) = $1150
cost to remediate 50% of 1% of failures = $60 x (1000 x 0.01 x 0.5) = $300

Skip the test and fix failures in the field... saves them money. Even if every one purchased got fired it would still be cheaper. Even doubling or tripling the costs to repair is still a break even if the actual failure rate isn't 1%.

Someone check my math, I would hate for @keepcalmandcarryon to be right; he'll be a smug bastard for a week.
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Not true; I will be a smug bastard for at least two weeks.
 
Ruger's customer service is top notch. I'm just hesitant on the mayodan NC made firearms. Seems to be something off the plant. My lcp is a 2016 model made in Arizona, even though its uncomfortable to shoot, it's never failed to go bang.
 
B00ger said:
I’m strongly considering selling mine. I carried an LCPII for about a year and it was awesome. Never had an issue. Until it did. And now it won’t cycle a magazine or two before messing up. I’ve considered sending it back, but not sure I want the hassle.
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It brings up the question what to replace it with? I think part of the success of the LCP despite it’s problems there are few alternatives in that size, much less .380’s in that size.
 
keepcalmandcarryon said:
It brings up the question what to replace it with? I think part of the success of the LCP despite it’s problems there are few alternatives in that size, much less .380’s in that size.
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I replaced it with a P365. It isn’t as small, no doubt, but I can still carry it (with a light) in my pocket.
 
NKD said:
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This is also how I roll when in .380 mode. Otherwise it is a Sig 365X. My little 42 has been my favorite companion when I need something light.

It's an accurate little bugger too.
 
keepcalmandcarryon said:
I wonder if Ruger test fires these before they ship? 6 to 10 rounds of 380 is a significant percent of the overall cost on those things, especially in the last few years.
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They did test fires in the plant in NC last time i was there about a year ago and they had a guy in the storeroom that his job was sourcing all diffrent brands of ammo for them cause we were talking about how much trouble he had with the shortages but not sure if its 100% testing of every gun. It was a pretty high percentage atleast based on ammo and he was using sources like us to get it not directly from mfg. Just remember it was kinda strange walking threw a plant and a guy starts shooting a AR rapid fire in a chamber right next to you like at a gun range.
 
LCP cannot be beat for size and weight / pocket carry.
IMHO worth extra $ to tune it up - I realize this perspective isn’t universal.

Kinda like buying a new Chevy and then dumping $$$ to make it run better.

Tricky little buggers to work on tho. Like doing microsurgery. . .
 
B00ger said:
I’m strongly considering selling mine. I carried an LCPII for about a year and it was awesome. Never had an issue. Until it did. And now it won’t cycle a magazine or two before messing up. I’ve considered sending it back, but not sure I want the hassle.
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Yeah... Don't waste time sending it back. Just sell it on Crack Smoking Canadians. Hahaha.
 
It's back from Ruger as of yesterday, picked it up today. Supposedly they replaced the slide and barrel, but they don't ship notes with the repairs (it was just something the service guy mentioned when he called me to tell me it was ready).

It looks new... but at under 200 rounds and no carry it looked new when it went out.

Probably be until next weekend before I get it out to test it myself, will update the thread after the range trip.
 
ok whoa. I didn't really look at it carefully in the store, but at home I was going to put it away and pulled it out of the box and the other side of the slide is totally different. In the pictures above you can see where it's got MAYODAN, NC on the side (and in that old photo on the G42 vs LCP comparison it shows Prescott) but that's not the important part. Check out how large the extractor is now:

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Jayne said:
ok whoa. I didn't really look at it carefully in the store, but at home I was going to put it away and pulled it out of the box and the other side of the slide is totally different. In the pictures above you can see where it's got MAYODAN, NC on the side (and in that old photo on the G42 vs LCP comparison it shows Prescott) but that's not the important part. Check out how large the extractor is now:

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Looks like the slide they use on the LCP II and/or LCP Max.
 
TRaGiK said:
Looks like the slide they use on the LCP II and/or LCP Max.
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The LCP II has front and rear serrations and the max has dovetailed sights.
 
TRaGiK said:
Looks like the slide they use on the LCP II and/or LCP Max.
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The LCP2 (at least in pictures) uses the same extractor my LCP did. This new one looks like the LCP MAX extractor, so perhaps they've just reworked the original LCP slide. That's a good sign that they'll keep it in production a while.
 
Jayne said:
The LCP2 (at least in pictures) uses the same extractor my LCP did. This new one looks like the LCP MAX extractor, so perhaps they've just reworked the original LCP slide. That's a good sign that they'll keep it in production a while.
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I found a couple pics on Google images of the LCP2 with the larger extractor. My LCP Max definitely has it.

Maybe later model 2's got it?

ETA: I'm an idiot. The "2's" I saw on Google were actually the max. 🙄
 
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TRaGiK said:
I found a couple pics on Google images of the LCP2 with the larger extractor. My LCP Max definitely has it.

Maybe later model 2's got it?

ETA: I'm an idiot. The "2's" I saw on Google were actually the max. 🙄
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FWIW, Ruger's web site still shows the short extractor on the LCP and LCP2 centerfire.
 
Finished up early today and was able to stop by the range. Only a 50 round test, but no drama with 4 different ammo types including my light handloads.

That's about a 100x improvement, it now acts like you would expect it to. I'll test more over the coming weeks but this is a very good initial sign.
 
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