She Considered Taking a Gun to Work

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  1. JT

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    It grieves me to have read that.

    This is a prime example of why you should carry EVERYWHERE you go...in the end, the only individual you can rely upon for your safety and well-being is YOU.

    Would it have made the difference had she chosen to carry? Maybe, maybe not, but a “fighting” chance beats “no” chance any day of the week.
     
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    I am of two minds on this:

    1. She willingly took a job at a place that she knew she could not carry at. That's on her. She could have found employment at a job she could carry at.

    2. Her employer denied her her the ability to defend herself. That's on them. Did they do everything possible to protect her.

    From both sides- you roll the dice and take your chances.
     
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    wsfiredude Can't starve us out; Can't make us run Charter Member Supporting Member

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    Very true.

    As for me, I do not wish for my loved ones or myself to be the subject of someone’s “thoughts and prayers” posthumously.
     
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    "1. She willingly took a job at a place that she knew she could not carry at. That's on her. She could have found employment at a job she could carry at.

    Lets be real here, there are >very< few employers that allow concealed carry on the job. Small private companies perhaps, but I would wager that the vast vast majority of employers nation wide have a "no weapons" rule just due to liability. Some may choose to be more or less strict about it, but blaming the lady for getting a job where she cant carry is a pretty odd angle since >no one< is exactly swimming in an ocean of firearm friendly businesses.

    What id >does< do is raise the question "Is being armed at all times worth risking your career?" which some of us answer with "Its hard to have a career when dead".
     
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    mj1angier old fart with no filter Benefactor Charter Life Member

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    Again, that's the risk to have that "good" job. She might have had a shitty low paying job somewhere and still be alive. She bet that she could have a good job and not be at risk. Lost that bet.

    And yes the companies that ban guns do it from a liability stand point. They bet that there will be less shooting at work if no one has a gun. They lost that bet.

    Sad thing is they are betting with lives.

    I have a business. I let employees carry, heck I will pay for the class for them. But they don't make as much as some of the "big" companies. But that's what they choose as a bigger perk of working with us. Do I know that one day one of them is not going to snap and start shooting? NO. But I will give the others a chance to shoot back.

    People pick what is the biggest "gain" when looking for a job. To most it is $, to others it schedules, or drive time, or insurance, or whatever. But , as you say, LETS BE REAL HERE, very few can have all. You pick and live ( or die) with your choice. The person that takes a high paying job but has to drive 45 min on I40 has a higher chance to die in a car wreck than the person that takes a lower paying job and drive 5 mins down a 45 mph road.
     
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    Hits home doesn't it? I talked with my wife about this last night.

    What this article really tells me is that she KNEW something was not right with the shooter and that the next day could really get out of hand. The fact that the law enforcement agencies have not broached this point... well, tells me that they don't like the narrative of what led up to the events.

    Supposed she did carry that day. And she was able to defend herself. Is she a Hero? Will she be fired for breaking the rule? No... she would be ALIVE. And I don't know of one person that would begrudge her for that.
     
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    Problem is, you are still looking at this as there are plenty of options out there for jobs at companies that have open weapons policies, and that just isn't the case. Even those low paying "crap" jobs mostly have a no-weapons policy. In truth "No weapons allowed" is the default for business. Companies like yours are a gross minority.

    So again, faulting a lady for working at a business that shares the same policies as 99.9% of all other businesses doesn't really hold water.
     
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    It's too bad she didn't send an email about this so there was something more substantial than her husband's word.

    To the point about risk management and liability, the municipality didn't even lose the bet(in the eyes of their legal team) since they are protected from liability.
     
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    Hey we're not gross!!

    I carry at work daily and I know I'm not alone here. Yes it's one of the perks of working at a small business or even working for yourself.

    RE; the OP: I don't trust the article. It's a terrible thing but it sounds like fodder for confirmation bias. If you know you're going to need a gun, just don't go.
     
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    That is simply awful... just awful. Her blood is on the hands of that asshole shooter and the city officials.
     
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    This must be why the shooter turned in his resignation first.

    decided against it because of a city policy that prevents employees from bringing weapons to work.


    If the employer removes your right to defend yourself in the best possible manner, then the employer should provide that for you. Employer should be held accountable for failure to do so.
     
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    I am not faulting her, just saying that she knew the rules and were ok with them.

    Not saying that there are a lot of jobs out there that allow carry. Just saying I would bet that was not a big "must have" on her job list. And until more people make it a priority, there will be less. Would she have taken that job at $5 less an hour if she could have carried? I don't know but odds are, no. If as you say 99.9% don't allow carry, but that .1% does, how big of an issue to most folks it?

    Kind of like protesting using a business that has Gun Buster signs. If you visit one when a different business across town allows carry, then you are agreeing to that policy for the convenience of not driving more.
     
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    Fake news...you are gross...verified facts.

    But I agree, if I ever really feel like I am going to need a gun, not just "I carry if just in case" but a sense of "I really need to be armed now" then I will simply not go. I have sick days...I have vacation...I have "Go ahead and fire me" days.
     
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    We don't know that she didn't. It will be interesting as they look at her work emails.

    Or, go ahead and carry one. Like yourself. ;)

    On deciding to work at a place that bans carry, it's a decision most of make every day. If we are to take a position that gives us the ability to support our families adequately, then it's something we have to deal with. Good jobs that otherwise suit us are hard enough to find. Look how long it took fishgutsy to find something to get out of traveling to China. And I'm willing to bet his new employer has a gun ban clause. Saying we don't have to work in non- permissive environments is true, but impractical.
    How we deal with the no gun clause is another matter. I've carried in some very non-permissive environments, but was not screened, so I carried, sometimes off body. Once, security found a magazine on the floor of my work area that had fallen out of my bag. I had to go to the corporate security manager to retrieve it. Fortunately, he was pro-2A and advised me, "We don't search personal vehicles." Wink and nod. It was a firing offence and he let me skate.
    It was a risk I was willing to take and I carried.
    In this case, it reminds me of the woman who lost both her parents in that restaurant shooting in TX years ago. She left her gun in her car because the restaurant was posted. Here, the Virginia Beach victim also allowed a policy to supercede her better judgement.
    So, each of us decide every day on our own risk potential vs getting fired, not entering a store or getting something to eat. I know how I usually decide.
     
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    I have had the same job for 53 years. I have carried at Least one gun since I started. The first 10 years I broke the law. From 1976 til now I have had a CWP. As for me and mine we will carry. Regardless....or not go.
     
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    Some companies have a no gun policy, yet a previous boss/owner of a 500+ employee company once said in a meeting, firearms on company property and vehicles is prohibited, and I know about 90% of our company vehicles have one in them.
     
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    I can't carry at my job at NCSU off campus, at my p/t job I can't carry any weapon on me or in my personal vehicle on or off the time clock,
    at the store I work at or any other locations.
     
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    We had that policy at the old location and whenever I had to go somewhere I couldnt carry like on base I would just leave it in the bosses desk drawer.
     
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    Suzanna Gratia Hupp. In testimony afterward, she said that she would "... much rather be in prison with a felony offense on my head, and have my parents alive to know their grandchildren."
     
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    Probably wouldn't have since $5 and hour is pretty significant. I can't think of any 40 hour a week job around me that I could support my family on that allows guns. They are probably there, but not in my skill set.
     
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    My policy is simple. No Concealed M249 SAW.
     
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    Hope they sue and win huge.
     
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    When I lived in NY, I put fire extinguishers throughout my building where I had my offices. To me, handguns are the same deal: you hope you never need to use one, only to find you don’t have one available. Being the owner, I conceal carried at work, and my policy was to let any of my employees who likewise had their CCW’s to carry too.

    I hired a new secretary a few months before the 2016 election. Turned out was very anti gun, and let me know it numerous times AFTER she had been hired.

    The day after Trump won, she came into work all depressed and said it was a “really bad day”. I told her to stand by, because it was about to get worse. She said, “what do you mean?”

    That’s when I fired her. In addition to her work ethic, I wasn’t going to listen to her piss and moan anymore about gun owners, conservatives, or Trump either.

    As O’basturd said, “elections have consequences” Deal with it.
     
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    Illegal or not.......i will conceal carry, quit, relocate, whatever the situation calls for. If i really feel like im being threatened at work.....im done there.
     
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    Concealed means concealed...
     
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