Shockwave illegal in NC ?

I guarantee that my FFL most certainly DGAF about how the NC AG feels about it. If it doesn't require a stamp, and it's ATF compliant, it will sell.

Oh BTW, How's that NY Safe act working out?
 
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Just buy it out of state & you have no worries.
Perhaps not, should law enforcement observe you using it at the range or see it during a traffic stop,
someone calls 911 man with sawed off shotgun, etc, you will have to deal with that.

We know what it is, we will have to wait and see what NCAG decides, it may end up in courts.
 
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Just buy it out of state & you have no worries.

I am not 100% sure on specifically the Shockwave but being it is classified as "other" on the 4473 I don't think you can legally buy one outside of you home state. The regs say you can only buy a long gun out of state under the GCA rules as long as laws of the state of your residence is met ... and if AG Joke Stein and such issue an opinion of a Shockwave violates a NCGS statute that muddies the waters.

This is kinda like the old issue of when Roy Stooper thumped his chest on the NFA trusts and items in them along with the Full Auto thing a couple years back. Stooper said individuals using a Trust to hold NFA items was not legal but at it was never pushed ... this could get real interesting.
 
Once a fellar gets long in the tooth he mostly decides he'll do as he dam well pleases. At some point you must decide that you've been pushed as far as you're gonna go. And some of us don't have the waiting game in our favor.
Buying from individuals requires no paperwork either. Also I have home addresses in 3 states so I don't have to abide by NC law alone.
 
And this is what I was waiting for. I knew something was going to come up. It's in a gray area and people are just stupid....
 
You cannot make a Shockwave on your own because you would be altering a shotgun. The Shockwave has never had a stock on it before, so it is not altered.
so, I have a Mossberg 500, 18.5" bbl, walnut shoulder stock.... I cant (legally) order a shockwave pistol grip from ebay and install it myself? (I am in SC by the way)
 
so, I have a Mossberg 500, 18.5" bbl, walnut shoulder stock.... I cant (legally) order a shockwave pistol grip from ebay and install it myself? (I am in SC by the way)
You could unless it put it under 26" OAL. Even without a stock, it would be an SBS due to being a "weapon made from a shotgun" and thus fall under the purview of the NFA.

The Shockwave has 14" barrels, so yours would be fine with >18" barrels.

(These answers are at a federal level...I won't pretend to know what SC says about it)
 
so, I have a Mossberg 500, 18.5" bbl, walnut shoulder stock.... I cant (legally) order a shockwave pistol grip from ebay and install it myself? (I am in SC by the way)

I can only speak for NC and ATF regs, your 18.5" barrel which is above the NFA reg of 18" and has an overall length of 31" (which is above the 26" require under NFA regs) with its stock grip so if you replace it with a Shockwave bird's head grip you still be over that 26" NFA requirement and with the original 18.5" barrel you are good to go.
 
You could unless it put it under 26" OAL. Even without a stock, it would be an SBS due to being a "weapon made from a shotgun" and thus fall under the purview of the NFA.

The Shockwave has 14" barrels, so yours would be fine with >18" barrels.

(These answers are at a federal level...I won't pretend to know what SC says about it)
Thanks. I actually installed the shockwave grip on my Mossy last night. SC law pretty much mirrors fed law on this.
 
Went into to the lgs today , a shockwave,and tac 14 on the shelf, they stated they will continue to sell them, till being advised by the ag,or ATF that they are illegal.
 
I like the idea of the shockwave and such but it is not practical for my application and use. That being said I don't want to see Super Cooper or Super Stein ban the sale of them.
 
375.00 for the shockwave
380.00 for the tac 14 at the lgs, I like the shockwave wave a little better than the t14 but that's just me, one of the distributors has the colts comp models on sale, so even though I'd like a shockwave, I want the 38super competition model more so that's where my cash went today, hopefully the ag will use a little common sense in his decision making process and they'll be available for a long time
 
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Abolish the NC NFA!My local Sheriff bought one recently, so,so much for Sheriff's being against it. They must be talking about Dem Sheriffs. The AG is a tool.
 
Just another effing political ploy to get some people on the side of the NC sheriff's association.

Then we can take the news media that wants watched ratings instead of doing the research and presenting facts.

Hyatts Hyatts Hyatts..............i don't think I really need to go into that. Larry will jiggle any reporters balls to get some airtime, all to pad his own bank account.

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These laws are stupid.
I can have a 8" barreled AR pistol with 30 rounds at my fingertips, yet a 16" barreled shotgun is a weapon of mass destruction.
Iā€™ve found that common sense ainā€™t so common.- Samuel Clemens

... oh you can own one if you go thru the NFA route and pay the $5 for an AOW type "pistol" or $200 for the SBS.

But there are other things that would make gooberment control freaks stroke out if they ever knew how some could use with as bad or worse than a simple Shockwave. It's kinda like TSA letting someone get on a plane with a shoestring and 2AA batteries -> garrote, a simple CD/DVD -> edged weapon, newspaper-> Millwall Brick, etc. These idiots do not realize that criminals are going to saw off a barrel on a shotgun and not think twice ... only the law abiding citizens like us here are going to follow laws ...
 
It seems to me the compliance guy for whom ever manufactured this gun did not read the NFA or GCA

Actually he read it very carefully (and accurately), and I think it was Len Savage.
 
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You cannot make a Shockwave on your own because you would be altering a shotgun. The Shockwave has never had a stock on it before, so it is not altered.

You CAN make a shockwave on your own, but it has to be on a PGO firearm. There's no marking on the Mossy itself, the only provenance is the marking on the box.

Strange but true.
 
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You CAN make a shockwave on your own, but it has to be on a PGO weapon. There's no marking on the weapon itself, the only provenance is the marking on the box.

Strange but true.
It would take a local PD way too much work to investigate that. Lol

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Shockwave is perfectly legal. I have talked to the ATF about it a month ago and have since transferred 4 or 5 of them to Durham County Deputies. Talked to ATF again today, in fact he called me telling me to ignore that news report. Per ATF they are an other firearm and NC does not regulate it since it is not designated a shotgun.
 
Sounds pretty cut and dry to me. AOW.


It is not a shotgun, it is received in the AD book as an "Other Firearm" As a result the 18" rule does not apply to it. I have had this conversatoin with ATF and there is a letter with each Firearm that says the same thing. The NC statute does not apply to this firearm, do not call it a shotgun.
 
Shockwave is perfectly legal. I have talked to the ATF about it a month ago and have since transferred 4 or 5 of them to Durham County Deputies. Talked to ATF again today, in fact he called me telling me to ignore that news report. Per ATF they are an other firearm and NC does not regulate it since it is not designated a shotgun.

Thanks for the followup info!
 
Thanks. I actually installed the shockwave grip on my Mossy last night. SC law pretty much mirrors fed law on this.

Got ot be carefull there. THe difference between your mosberg and a shockwave is your mossberg was registered at teh time of manufacture and transferred to you as a shotgun. The Shockwave was manufactured and registered as an "other firearm." Putting a pistol grip on a shotgun could be manufacturing an AOW and does fall under NFA control.
 
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Putting a pistol grip on a shotgun could be manufacturing an AOW and does fall under NFA control.
No way. Not possible. You cannot make an AOW from a shotgun.

You can make a "weapon made from a shotgun", which is classified as an SBS, even without a stock, but you can't make an AOW. Barrel length and/or OAL will determine if you cross the SBS line.

(So, yes...as stupid as it is, the exact same type of "firearm" could be categorized differently depending on its initial config)
 
Got ot be carefull there. THe difference between your mosberg and a shockwave is your mossberg was registered at teh time of manufacture and transferred to you as a shotgun. The Shockwave was manufactured and registered as an "other firearm." Putting a pistol grip on a shotgun could be manufacturing an AOW and does fall under NFA control.
18.5 inch barrel. 34" overall with shockwave handle. This should still be considered a legal shotgun. Pistol grips are installed on shotguns without the shoulder rest all the time (arent they?).
 
18.5 inch barrel. 34" overall with shockwave handle. This should still be considered a legal shotgun. Pistol grips are installed on shotguns without the shoulder rest all the time (arent they?).


Those lengths and you are fine.
 
I like the idea of the shockwave and such but it is not practical for my application and use. That being said I don't want to see Super Cooper or Super Stein ban the sale of them.

What is this "practical" you speak of :)
 
There must be thousands already purchased in the state. There were numerous sellers at the recent Raleigh gun show selling them.

On the NC State Fairground...
 
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