Shoot to kill?

[noway2]

Obviously, this involves some element of risk...physically and legally depending on circumstances. And “reasonable” force may be used.

I recall one time I was standing behind the would be thief and he didn't notice me. I watched as he took a CD in the oversized anti-theft case, hiked his shirt and started stuffing it down his pants. He turned around, saw me. His eyes went wide and the CD was whipped out of his pants instantly. He was obviously at least a little scared of getting caught and having repercussions. However, I was later told by a coworker that he was known to carry a knife and I was lucky I didn't get stabbed. Don't know if it is true or not.

Another time a group of thieves came in and I simply stayed at a location where I could watch them. They tried to distract me by asking to show them where such and such item was, but I didn't fall for it. One of them then asked, "Where are the condoms at?" to which I responded, "As if you'd need them." which got his friends to laugh at him and then they decided to leave. He stayed behind, slowly walked up to me and said, "I need the condoms so I can (fill in the blank) your mom". I responded with, "If you want to (fill in the blank) my mom, I pity you". His face turned bright red and he said, "You know, you're a real dork." and stormed off.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

I recall one time I was standing behind the would be thief and he didn't notice me. I watched as he took a CD in the oversized anti-theft case, hiked his shirt and started stuffing it down his pants. He turned around, saw me. His eyes went wide and the CD was whipped out of his pants instantly. He was obviously at least a little scared of getting caught and having repercussions. However, I was later told by a coworker that he was known to carry a knife and I was lucky I didn't get stabbed. Don't know if it is true or not.

Another time a group of thieves came in and I simply stayed at a location where I could watch them. They tried to distract me by asking to show them where such and such item was, but I didn't fall for it. One of them then asked, "Where are the condoms at?" to which I responded, "As if you'd need them." which got his friends to laugh at him and then they decided to leave. He stayed behind, slowly walked up to me and said, "I need the condoms so I can (fill in the blank) your mom". I responded with, "If you want to (fill in the blank) my mom, I pity you". His face turned bright red and he said, "You know, you're a real dork." and stormed off.

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"Would you like me to lend you a shovel and show you where she's buried?"

 

[Chdamn]

Back in the 90s, I worked in a music (tape / CD) store. High theft items. Limited security. You got pretty good at recognizing by behavior who was a thief and "customer servicing" the snot out of them usually got them to leave empty handed.

Lmao. We did the same thing when I was a manager at circuit city. It was always the CD DVD section.

There was a certain code that I cannot remember in my store that would go out.

I would just walk over and keep asking them if they needed help.

 

[noway2]

Lmao. We did the same thing when I was a manager at circuit city. It was always the CD DVD section.

There was a certain code that I cannot remember in my store that would go out.

I would just walk over and keep asking them if they needed help.

One time, I was at the store with our district manager. We were discussing something and a couple of "dudes" came in, went to the rap section and started prairie dogging, which is a tell tale sign. I and the DM walked over and started organizing the racks of CDs next to them. The "dudes" started saying things like, "I think we got a private dick. Are you a private dick, man. Man, are you dick?" I quietly told them to leave the store and not come back. The DM didn't say a word.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

One of the jobs I worked while in college was at a local drug store (Arth's Drugs). There were two in town, owned by brothers. Dave Arth, the guy who owned the one I worked at, personally took me around explaining all the things I was responsible for. Basically, I kept the place clean, which is what I hired on for. But it was inventory, stock, helping the pharmacist, theft mitigation, etc.

"There's ALWAYS something to do", he told me.

One of the things was keeping the products on the shelves straightened up. pulled forward, and rotated. ESPECIALLY in the liqueur aisle.

In addition to the drug store ALWAYS looking clean and neat as a pin for the customers, the high-pilferage items (the booze) was very easy to tell at a glance if something was missing this way.

"If there's a bottle missing, SOMEBODY in the store better have a bottle in their hands or basket."

He was, of course, right. Once in a while, there would be hole in the row of bottles and nobody would have a bottle with them...and it always turned out to be some punk who, super-sensitive to being caught, would notice our own tells and slip it on some shelf somewhere before he skedaddled out the door.

 

[noway2]

In addition to the drug store ALWAYS looking clean and neat as a pin for the customers, the high-pilferage items (the booze) was very easy to tell at a glance if something was missing this way.

At one the stores, when this much anticipated "album" by "snoop dog" came out, the manager put every last copy of it behind the counter. If you wanted to see one, you had to ask for it and the clerk would hand it to you and then watch and wait for you to either purchase it or return it. He was adamant that not one copy was going to get stolen. I forget if he quit or got promoted, but another manager took over and put the copies out on the sales floor. My girlfriend (now wife) worked at that store at the time and she said that almost every copy of it walked out the store and they had none while the inventory system said they should have had several; end hence they didn't get shipped more copies.

 

[Tarowah]

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Seriously, if you’re gonna shoot, like was written above, it’s life or death…. Not kinda, maybe.

Absolutely, I practice the Mozambique drill regularly due to the amount of asshats wearing body armor while shooting places up because mommy and daddy didn’t hug them, or whoop their ass enough as a child, if I feel the need to shoot another human, I will make damn sure the threat is stopped to the best of my ability.

 

[NCFubar]

Absolutely, I practice the Mozambique drill regularly due to the amount of asshats wearing body armor while shooting places up because mommy and daddy didn’t hug them, or whoop their ass enough as a child, if I feel the need to shoot another human, I will make damn sure the threat is stopped to the best of my ability.

Don’t forget a round or three in the pelvic girdle will ruin a POS’s day as far as walking or standing plus there are certain arteries that can be “advantageous”.

 

[spittinfire]

If I am ever forced to pull a weapon on another human being it will be to kill them. When it's time display a weapon that means another party has caused a situation where a person is at risk of losing their life so in my opinion it should be the person who caused the situation.

 

[NCFubar]

If I am ever forced to pull a weapon on another human being it will be to kill them. When it's time display a weapon that means another party has caused a situation where a person is at risk of losing their life so in my opinion it should be the person who caused the situation.

What you say is pretty much spot on but … ACTIONS are different from WORDS … especially in paperwork so after the first ”battle” you better be setting up for a possible “second” in the legal system. Chose wise words!

 

[noway2]

If I am ever forced to pull a weapon on another human being it will be to kill them. When it's time display a weapon that means another party has caused a situation where a person is at risk of losing their life so in my opinion it should be the person who caused the situation.

I’ve a actually drawn a gun in self defense, which probably pit’s me in a minor subset of gun owners. Neighbors dog. Got aggressive with me n my yard. I’d try to back away or retreat, it would advance. Low crouched growl. Wouldn’t respond to me yelling for it to go home while waving arms (look big).had j-frame revolver in back pocket. Drew down on dog. Wife yelling at me to not shoot the neighbors dog,

Neighbor saw what was going on, opened door, didn’t step out, called dog and it went home.

if I had, had one of my se,I automatics with which I were more comfortable I would have likely Sent that animal to doggy heaven. What stopped me was the rules of safety and knowing what’s your backstop (the street) and what’s behind it…

 

[spittinfire]

What you say is pretty much spot on but … ACTIONS are different from WORDS … especially in paperwork so after the first ”battle” you better be setting up for a possible “second” in the legal system. Chose wise words!

I agree and I do not think it was wise for this person to do that interview. I think everyone should have a mental plan for after such an event and I think it should be something along the lines of saying as little as possible until you've spoken to a lawyer. Make mental notes of events and write them down as soon as possible but again, not until after you've spoken to a lawyer.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

Don’t forget a round or three in the pelvic girdle will ruin a POS’s day as far as walking or standing plus there are certain arteries that can be “advantageous”.

And that area is a bigger target, too. With two legs extending down from it as well.

 

[fishgutzy]

If your life is in danger enough to shoot, you better shoot to kill. Shooting to incapacitate will get you killed, or sued. If you aren't in enough danger to shoot to kill, you aren't in enough danger to shoot at all.

Just my two cents.

That's why, in China, if a driver hits a pedestrian, they are highly likely to back up over the pedestrian to finish the job. Costs less.

 

[Flashpoint]

If your life is in danger enough to shoot, you better shoot to kill. Shooting to incapacitate will get you killed, or sued. If you aren't in enough danger to shoot to kill, you aren't in enough danger to shoot at all.

Just my two cents.

Completely disagree. You shoot to incapacitate. To stop the threat. Killing has nothing to do with it other than the quickest way to stop the threat is often lethal (CNS, center mass, etc.).

 

[Mike79]

He/she/them/they etc was a threat to life (mine or others) I took appreciate actions to stop them from continuing said action(s). Say nothing until representation is present/been consulted with. Confirm simple things ie my name is....I live at...yes I have a ccw. I always told my wife and kids if anything ever happens (custom info here)...nothing else is to be shared said or elaborated on. ID yourself nothing else.

 

[cubrock]

Completely disagree. You shoot to incapacitate. To stop the threat. Killing has nothing to do with it other than the quickest way to stop the threat is often lethal (CNS, center mass, etc.).

Yeah, I agree, as I posted after @Chdamn's reply. In my mind "shoot to injure" or "shoot to incapacitate" immediately goes to Hollywood's shooting someone in the leg or arm or some such. Shooting to stop the threat, for me, is center mass, CNS, etc, all of which is going to result in death more times than not, which is what I was ham-handedly trying to say in my original post. I haven't gone back and edited that post, but I am in complete agreement with you and others who have posted subsequently.

 

[Flashpoint]

Yeah, I agree, as I posted after @Chdamn's reply. In my mind "shoot to injure" or "shoot to incapacitate" immediately goes to Hollywood's shooting someone in the leg or arm or some such. Shooting to stop the threat, for me, is center mass, CNS, etc, all of which is going to result in death more times than not, which is what I was ham-handedly trying to say in my original post. I haven't gone back and edited that post, but I am in complete agreement with you and others who have posted subsequently.

And me being lazy as well, I replied without reading any further. I figured that's what you were thinking.

 

[Schattenreiter]

The old farmer down the road used to say “dead men don’t testify…”

You mean the guy with the saw mill????

 

[Scsmith42]

You mean the guy with the saw mill????

No.

Donald Stone was retired Air Force (he ran their jet engine test cell for a long time) and married one of Kadir Womble’s daughters. He ultimately purchased Kadir’s old 135 acre farm and grew hay and raised hogs back in the day.

For years he would put away a 24 pack of beer every day and bought moonshine by the gallon. A chain smoker too.

In 2006 his colon burst open one day when he was working on the farm and he called me to ask us to care for his animals. I offered to drive him to the VA hospital but he insisted on driving himself. He later told me that he almost didn’t make it driving in (45 minute drive back then).

He was a tough old guy that loved my wife as a if she was his third daughter.