Shooting in Las vegas on the strip.

HMP said:
Did they cut around that hole at all?
Its an odd shape and inside looks more circular
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I'm not sure. I believe the story is that he was using incendiary rounds on the tanks. I just find it a bit of a stretch to believe that a gunman shooting from an elevated height of 400 feet or so could get a round to hit directly beneath the overhang on an approximately 40 ft. tall fuel tank that is 2000 feet from his firing position.

I guess anything is possible.
 
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Qball said:
I'm not sure. I believe the story is that he was using incendiary rounds on the tanks. I just find it a bit of a stretch to believe that a gunman shooting from an elevated height of 400 feet or so could get a round to hit directly beneath the overhang on an approximately 40 ft. tall fuel tank that is 2000 feet from his firing position.

I guess anything is possible.
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It's another magic bullet!
 
Qball said:
I'm not sure. I believe the story is that he was using incendiary rounds on the tanks. I just find it a bit of a stretch to believe that a gunman shooting from an elevated height of 400 feet or so could get a round to hit directly beneath the overhang on an approximately 40 ft. tall fuel tank that is 2000 feet from his firing position.

I guess anything is possible.
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Youve got a great point, though could a ricochet have done that? Not trying to poopoo your idea there, its very valid, but I dont know enough about what a bullet can do when hitting a hard surface at a slight angle
 
HMP said:
Youve got a great point, though could a ricochet have done that? Not trying to poopoo your idea there, its very valid, but I dont know enough about what a bullet can do when hitting a hard surface at a slight angle
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It can get deformed and lose energy really fast and sometimes come apart due to the spin. It would be very unlikely to hit and penetrate like that IMO.

I don’t know what happened but I can believe that he nearly missed the tank and hit it there. The angle doesn’t look impossible. The angle from 400 feet up at 2000 feet is 11 degrees (presumably to the bottom of the tank actually) and the drop angle adds a few more degrees.
 
JimP42 said:
It can get deformed and lose energy really fast and sometimes come apart due to the spin. It would be very unlikely to hit and penetrate like that IMO.

I don’t know what happened but I can believe that he nearly missed the tank and hit it there. The angle doesn’t look impossible. The angle from 400 feet up at 2000 feet is 11 degrees (presumably to the bottom of the tank actually) and the drop angle adds a few more degrees.
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thank you for the information
 
JimP42 said:
It can get deformed and lose energy really fast and sometimes come apart due to the spin. It would be very unlikely to hit and penetrate like that IMO.

I don’t know what happened but I can believe that he nearly missed the tank and hit it there. The angle doesn’t look impossible. The angle from 400 feet up at 2000 feet is 11 degrees (presumably to the bottom of the tank actually) and the drop angle adds a few more degrees.
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Could be. I'm certainly not an expert. The big thing for me however is not that Paddock accidentally made such a shot. It's simply that I personally believe it's very possible that he was already dead when that tank got hit.
 
That's probably a 4" min angle iron bent to wrap around the tank top for reinforcing.
I don't see how a 5.56 or 7.62 could hit that close to the top of it from that height and distance.
 
The whole thing stinks. Nothing seemed quite right about it from the get go.

I, personally, dont buy the single shooter statement
I dont buy that he was alone in that room
I dont buy that he killed himself like was told to us
 
Paddock bought all the guns over several months or more. They have video, 4473, and interviews of the men who sold the guns to him.
Paddock brought all the guns into the hotel. Again, video.
He did it, and there were no other shooters.
What is not explained is why he did it.
 
Where is the video of him going into the hotel?
 
He may have done it, but based on what's out there it isn't clear. Just because he bought and brought the guns doesn't mean he was the only one firing them. The problem is that between whatever the hotel security people have done and said, and whatever the police have said there is possibly some butt covering going on everywhere. It doesn't seem there is much transparency. And it is curious how little actual reporting has taken place. The story quickly disappeared. Now porn stars and some ignorant chick from Puerto Rico we can get every detail of what they had for dinner and what their stool samples look like, but the Vegas shooting got just a few cursory stories.

IMO any conspiracies come about because there just isn't much detail out there. It may just be the power of the casino and their friends to bury it. Who knows?
 
CZfool68 said:
He may have done it, but based on what's out there it isn't clear. Just because he bought and brought the guns doesn't mean he was the only one firing them. The problem is that between whatever the hotel security people have done and said, and whatever the police have said there is possibly some butt covering going on everywhere. It doesn't seem there is much transparency. And it is curious how little actual reporting has taken place. The story quickly disappeared. Now porn stars and some ignorant chick from Puerto Rico we can get every detail of what they had for dinner and what their stool samples look like, but the Vegas shooting got just a few cursory stories.

IMO any conspiracies come about because there just isn't much detail out there. It may just be the power of the casino and their friends to bury it. Who knows?
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It seems not only possible, but probable based on the outcome that this was an act of terrorism and that the hotel did not have an insurance rider for that. Thus the "no motive". Sheriff could be angling for the same hotel security consultant result that previous Vegas LEOs have gotten after their LE days are done.
 
Ferrisfan said:
It seems not only possible, but probable based on the outcome that this was an act of terrorism and that the hotel did not have an insurance rider for that. Thus the "no motive". Sheriff could be angling for the same hotel security consultant result that previous Vegas LEOs have gotten after their LE days are done.
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I'd buy that. If it is admitted he was a lefty loon targeting Conservatives or Trump voters it is a straight line to a terrorist act. And bingo, that's a lot of liability. $$$$.
 
All of us questioning the information we have been given on this incident may just be a bunch of conspiracy theorists. However, the authorities in control of this investigation have no one else to blame for these conspiracy theories but themselves. End of story.
 
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CZfool68 said:
I'd buy that. If it is admitted he was a lefty loon targeting Conservatives or Trump voters it is a straight line to a terrorist act. And bingo, that's a lot of liability. $$$$.
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Actually, the hotel is pushing hard for it to be declared an act of terrorism, as one of the post-9/11 legislative “fixes” was a bill that limits liability for any property owner for the deaths and maiming of others if an act of terrorism took place on their property.

The Terrorism Risk Insurance Act (TRIA) is a United States federal law signed into law by President George W. Bush on November 26, 2002.
 
SPM said:
Actually, the hotel is pushing hard for it to be declared an act of terrorism, as one of the post-9/11 legislative “fixes” was a bill that limits liability for any property owner for the deaths and maiming of others if an act of terrorism took place on their property.

The Terrorism Risk Insurance Act (TRIA) is a United States federal law signed into law by President George W. Bush on November 26, 2002.
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So that eliminates another possible angle on why this has been such a crappy investigation with no transparency or information. So we are back to tin foil hats?
 
Long_Hunter said:
So...was his girlfriend taking payments from the FBI...either before, during, or after the shooting?

The FBI, as with the overwhelming of majority of federal agencies, is wholly corrupted...but to what end?

This is not something to be read or heard in the mainstream media.

https://truepundit.com/feds-scrambl...oan-application-she-might-have-been-an-asset/
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I find this , very concerning:
Feds Scramble after Las Vegas Shooter’s Girlfriend Lists FBI as Place of Employment on Loan Application; ‘She Might have Been an Asset’

Marilou Danley, the girlfriend of Las Vegas mass shooter Stephen Paddock, worked for the FBI, according to credit application data the Australian national reported as part of a loan application.

That’s the same Danley whose fingerprints were found on Paddock’s horde of ammunition packed into unused rifle magazines.

Publicly available intelligence obtained from consumer credit reporting bureaus show Danley claimed the “Federal Bureau of Investigation” as her place of employment.


https://truepundit.com/feds-scrambl...oan-application-she-might-have-been-an-asset/





I also find the following very concerning:
( explains video surveillance system 26 minute delay??)


Florida Mass Shooting Witness: ‘Secret Service Was Present, Changed School Security Policy Several Weeks Before Shooting’

The student’s testimony dovetails with buried reports that a fire drill and an active shooter drill were, in fact, already scheduled for Valentine’s Day.

Martin said there had already been one fire drill earlier Wednesday morning before the alarm went off for a second time which prompted the principal to announce over the loudspeaker for all students to evacuate.

Additionally, a teacher at the school told MSNBC’s Rachal Maddow that her and other staff were told at the beginning of the semester that an active shooting drill would be taking place sometime during the semester and that the drill would be unannounced.



http://www.thedailysheeple.com/flor...y-policy-several-weeks-before-shooting_022018
 
I am not really well versed with credit applications (I have car and home loan, but really couldnt tell you much about the process other than me saying, "I want XXX, will you loan me the money for it? Yeah? Awesome!"...or something like that), so I have a question about that - can you say you work at any place on one? I mean, if it's just a claim by her then big deal, hell, I can say I am a fighter pilot for the US Navy if I wanted, right?
 
HMP said:
I am not really well versed with credit applications (I have car and home loan, but really couldnt tell you much about the process other than me saying, "I want XXX, will you loan me the money for it? Yeah? Awesome!"...or something like that), so I have a question about that - can you say you work at any place on one? I mean, if it's just a claim by her then big deal, hell, I can say I am a fighter pilot for the US Navy if I wanted, right?
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It is for income verification. If this is true, would love to know whether they called FBI HR to verify her claimed income...
 
HMP said:
I am not really well versed with credit applications (I have car and home loan, but really couldnt tell you much about the process other than me saying, "I want XXX, will you loan me the money for it? Yeah? Awesome!"...or something like that), so I have a question about that - can you say you work at any place on one? I mean, if it's just a claim by her then big deal, hell, I can say I am a fighter pilot for the US Navy if I wanted, right?
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Yeah, except on something like a credit application, you're pretty certain they're going to check it out. I'll laugh if it was a joke on her part. ;)
 
YeeHaa said:
I find this , very concerning:
Feds Scramble after Las Vegas Shooter’s Girlfriend Lists FBI as Place of Employment on Loan Application; ‘She Might have Been an Asset’

Marilou Danley, the girlfriend of Las Vegas mass shooter Stephen Paddock, worked for the FBI, according to credit application data the Australian national reported as part of a loan application.

That’s the same Danley whose fingerprints were found on Paddock’s horde of ammunition packed into unused rifle magazines.

Publicly available intelligence obtained from consumer credit reporting bureaus show Danley claimed the “Federal Bureau of Investigation” as her place of employment.


https://truepundit.com/feds-scrambl...oan-application-she-might-have-been-an-asset/





I also find the following very concerning:
( explains video surveillance system 26 minute delay??)


Florida Mass Shooting Witness: ‘Secret Service Was Present, Changed School Security Policy Several Weeks Before Shooting’

The student’s testimony dovetails with buried reports that a fire drill and an active shooter drill were, in fact, already scheduled for Valentine’s Day.

Martin said there had already been one fire drill earlier Wednesday morning before the alarm went off for a second time which prompted the principal to announce over the loudspeaker for all students to evacuate.

Additionally, a teacher at the school told MSNBC’s Rachal Maddow that her and other staff were told at the beginning of the semester that an active shooting drill would be taking place sometime during the semester and that the drill would be unannounced.



http://www.thedailysheeple.com/flor...y-policy-several-weeks-before-shooting_022018
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I haven't verfied, but I believe there was an "exercise" on the day of Sandy Hook as well.
 
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CZfool68 said:
What is the difference between a blog and a network news site?
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One can actually face some consequences for lying. Not saying it happens every day but it has. The other can twist and make crap up to get the rubes to click on their site with impunity.
 
georgel said:
I having verfied, but I believe there was an "exercise" on the day of Sandy Hook as well.
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You are correct,



By grim coincidence, even as the terrible events were unfolding in Newtown on Friday morning, the Putnam County Emergency Response Team ("ERT") happened to be assembled for regular training in Carmel, and team members were at that very moment engaged in a mock scenario of an active-shooter in a school. The ERT is comprised of specially trained and heavily armed officers from the Sheriff's Office and the Carmel and Kent Police Departments. When news broke of the Newtown shooting, the Putnam County ERT commander called Newtown Police and offered to have the ERT respond to the Sandy Hook school, but that response was not needed because Connecticut police had already secured the scene.

https://patch.com/new-york/southeast/sheriff-putnam-officials-to-talk-school-safety-this-afternoon
 
Yeah, and the whole story gets hinky from there. :cool:

During the Project Bluebook days, supposedly the US government had agents posing as regular citizens tell wild and unbelievable stories to undermine the credibility of those that claimed actual experiences and sightings.
 
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J R Green said:
One can actually face some consequences for lying. Not saying it happens every day but it has. The other can twist and make crap up to get the rubes to click on their site with impunity.
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I am pretty sure that last sentence applies to both. Although if a blogger loses views they go out of bloggy business. If a reporter lies for the correct team he wins an award at some show. I noticed Dan Rather is still on TV.
 
georgel said:
Yeah, and the whole story gets hinky from there. :cool:

During the Project Bluebook days, supposedly the US government had agents posing as regular citizens tell wild and unbelievable stories to undermine the credibility of those that claimed actual experiences and sightings.
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Yes indeed,

Who's ZOOMING Who??

Seems Like Old Times.. ??



Reichstag fire

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire
 
HMP said:
I am not really well versed with credit applications (I have car and home loan, but really couldnt tell you much about the process other than me saying, "I want XXX, will you loan me the money for it? Yeah? Awesome!"...or something like that), so I have a question about that - can you say you work at any place on one? I mean, if it's just a claim by her then big deal, hell, I can say I am a fighter pilot for the US Navy if I wanted, right?
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"Whoever knowingly makes any false statement or report" on a federally-related loan or credit application violates 18 USC 1014. A federally-related loan includes any loan from an insured bank or S&L. Basically, lying about your employment on nearly any type of credit application is a federal offense.
 
SPM said:
Apparently, the LVPD instructed officers to turn off all body cams when entering the Mandalay Bay Hotel to respond to the shooting:

https://thefreethoughtproject.com/c...strike-team-being-told-to-turn-off-body-cams/

The lack of - really the hostility towards releasing information....any information, makes belief in the official story problematic for anyone with the capacity to think.
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The first rule in Vegas is first do no harm...to the casinos.

I remember when I used to go there a lot wondering how more people weren't killed stumbling into the street drunk and getting run over. A local told me it happens almost daily. But they bury it. Can't scare away the tourists. Us Americans have short memories anyway. What a few dozen deaths? :(
 
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