Sig P365 versus Glock 43

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First let me say that I am not a Glock "fanboi", but I own several, and I carry a G43 every single day and night. The G43 is just a great shooter for me, and I am always surprised at how well I can put rounds on target just pulling it out of my pocket holster after not shooting it for several weeks. And then there is that rock solid reliability.

But, I bought the new Sig P365 anaywy. I mean 10 +1? What's not to like about a pocket pea shooter in 9mm with 10 +1??

So, how do they compare?

They both weigh the same empty on my scale. The Sig weighs 2 oz more loaded, as you would imagine with the higher mag capacity.

The Sig is ever so slightly smaller than the G43. Yes, smaller. I am using my menagerie of G43 holsters, both kydex and leather for the G43 and the Sig fits all of them, just ever so slightly looser.

The Sig trigger "feels" better, like maybe it's a little bit lighter, but it's actually not. It's 3/4 to 1 oz. heavier trigger pull that the Glock (5 oz versus 6oz on the Sig).

There was no distinguishable difference in the groups I made at 10 yards on a cardboard silhouette.
I like their Xray sights on the Sig as well as the sights that came on my Talo edition G43 (Ameriglo front, with a U notch rear).

The Glock grip is significantly "deeper" front to back, making for a more comfortable grip (for me), while the Sig grip is quite small, which is interesting considering the increased mag capacity of the Sig. And the grip angle is significantly different. I actually like how the Glock feels better, but it didn't seem to impact my groups, and neither did the better "feeling" Sig trigger.

Hard to ignore the increased capacity, but the G43 stays in my pocket till I run the June IDPA BUG match at H20 with the Sig. More later.
 
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zuerjoha said:
MAC just released a Sig P365 video earlier today. I haven't had a chance to watch it yet, but apparently it didn't do too hot. :eek:

Full disclosure: I'm a Glock fanboi.
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Yeh - I want one of these real bad. But some of the failures he showed are no bueno. May wait for the fixes.
 
Geerubb said:
Yeh - I want one of these real bad. But some of the failures he showed are no bueno. May wait for the fixes.
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Phil Strader says the newer ones are good to go. He says they have addressed the early issues. I trust Phil. Perhaps the issues are with early build guns. I bet the recent builds are ok.
Haven't seen Macs video yet.
 
Would one of you guys be kind enough to measure the trigger reach on that thing? Distance from front of trigger to backstrap, more or less parallel to barrel axis. I'm happy with my Shield but always looking for improvement.
 
Red Marley said:
Would one of you guys be kind enough to measure the trigger reach on that thing? Distance from front of trigger to backstrap, more or less parallel to barrel axis. I'm happy with my Shield but always looking for improvement.
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Is this the dimension you're looking for? If so, 2 9/16".

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Red Marley said:
Would one of you guys be kind enough to measure the trigger reach on that thing? Distance from front of trigger to backstrap, more or less parallel to barrel axis. I'm happy with my Shield but always looking for improvement.
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2 5/8" Sig. Middle of the trigger to the back strap in a parallel line to the bore axis.
G43 is the same. But once you get below that center line of the middle of the trigger, the grips are just totally different shapes, with the G43 being a full quarter of an inch deeper front to back at the bottom of the grip where it "seats" in the palm of your hand
 
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Tried my friend’s P365 today. 120 rounds using 115 gr, 124 gr Steel cased ammo and 147 gr Lawman.

Recoil was nothing, in my opinion. I was doing a series of controlled pairs between the Head and body at 7-10 yards with only one in the Minus one in the head.

It conceals very easily from what I saw, and the capacity beats the Glock 43.

It is definitely a better shooter than a Sig P938.


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@fieldgrade is right. I checked again and had the plastic micrometer tweaked so it would stand up in the photo. 2.625 it is.
 
Jeppo said:
@fieldgrade is right. I checked again and had the plastic micrometer tweaked so it would stand up in the photo. 2.625 it is.
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I was posting while you were. I measured from the middle of the trigger, not the top.

With this. :)

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I could start a whole new thread for this, ...but I won't.

A grip sleeve could remedy some of my complaint about the skinny grip on the Sig. I had a Pachmayr on another small pistol a few years ago but I found it to be, A) too squishy for my taste, and B) somewhat "sticky" or "grippier" which seemed to impede drawing from a pocket holster.

Who else makes grip sleeves? Grip tape wouldn't add enough "thickness" in my view.
 
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Here's what I don't understand. Why in the heck couldn't Glock get at least 8-9 rounds in a 43, if Sig can get 10 in a smaller grip (well, the springs are so tight in the mags that I'm running 9 right now)
 
fieldgrade said:
Here's what I don't understand. Why in the heck couldn't Glock get at least 8-9 rounds in a 43, if Sig can get 10 in a smaller grip (well, the springs are so tight in the mags that I'm running 9 right now)
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Tight indeed. I just got back from shooting with the 12 round magazine (which I like a lot). I find that loading the 12th round requires me to get a running start. :confused:
 
Majicmike said:
Good to hear, Bug match at H20 the end of June. Show us what cha got!!
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What have I got?

What have I got?

I'll show you what I've got.

A cool new gun I can hide in my pocket and not shoot worth a ****! :eek:
 
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Jeppo said:
Tight indeed. I just got back from shooting with the 12 round magazine (which I like a lot). I find that loading the 12th round requires me to get a running start. :confused:
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I've had this happen with other new Glock mags. Load 'em up and leave them. They'll start to behave after a while.
 
fieldgrade said:
I've had this happen with other new Glock mags. Load 'em up and leave them. They'll start to behave after a while.
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Yeah, same with Shield magazines. Thanks for reminding me. I'm gonna load it with snap caps right now.
 
Gracias guys. My Shield's trigger reach comes in at 2-11/16", or about 2.67" - so the Sig is a RCH shorter. That's good for me. Let me know when you're ready to pass one a those on. I use a section of bicycle inner tube on the grip of my Shield, it helps without being grabby. Happy to give ya a piece.
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So you're suggesting trading a P365 for a bike inner tube?

Can I get back to you? :D
 
fieldgrade said:
Here's what I don't understand. Why in the heck couldn't Glock get at least 8-9 rounds in a 43, if Sig can get 10 in a smaller grip (well, the springs are so tight in the mags that I'm running 9 right now)
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Springs so tight they break! Apparently the trigger springs are breaking prematurely. I just watched MAC's video. His trigger spring broke with under 1,000 rounds fired.
 
zuerjoha said:
Springs so tight they break! Apparently the trigger springs are breaking prematurely. I just watched MAC's video. His trigger spring broke with under 1,000 rounds fired.
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I haven't seen it. I wonder when this was posted and which generation of 365 was it. The first ones out the door had a few issues, breaking striker firing pins... Those issues have supposedly been ironed out.
 
fieldgrade said:
I could start a whole new thread for this, ...but I won't.

A grip sleeve could remedy some of my complaint about the skinny grip on the Sig. I had a Pachmayr on another small pistol a few years ago but I found it to be, A) too squishy for my taste, and B) somewhat "sticky" or "grippier" which seemed to impede drawing from a pocket holster.

Who else makes grip sleeves? Grip tape wouldn't add enough "thickness" in my view.
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fieldgrade said:
I had an LC9s just like it, but with the Pachmayr on it (that I tossed). Is that the Handall Jr?
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Yes sir......with the beavertail. They make one without it also. The Ruger was a bit thin to me with my large hands and this makes a huge difference.
 
fieldgrade said:
Here's what I don't understand. Why in the heck couldn't Glock get at least 8-9 rounds in a 43, if Sig can get 10 in a smaller grip (well, the springs are so tight in the mags that I'm running 9 right now)
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If you read up on the 365 you will see that made the mag first and designed the gun around it.
I have to give to Sig for being as creative as Keltec.
They felt there was a market for a higher capacity micro 9 and they hit it out of the ball park. If they can get the price down a little I believe it will eventually be in as many in people's pockets as there are LCP's
 
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BBD280 said:
Yes sir......with the beavertail. They make one without it also. The Ruger was a bit thin to me with my large hands and this makes a huge difference.
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I had an LC380 and traded to an LC9s. Same frame, and skinny indeed, but good gosh are they easy to conceal.
 
fieldgrade said:
I pocket carry mostly. I wonder how "sticky" this sleeve is. Hard plastic grips draw out of the pocket easily. I worry some about the soft rubber hanging up.
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This one is of a pretty hard material. I don't find it sticky at all. I front pocket carry in a Desantis Nemesis and have no problems.
 
I’m still not sold on these being gtg yet. I’m not willing to spend that kind of money to be a beta tester. I’ll stick with my trusty G43 till the P365 proves itself reliable.


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Here’s a link to the MAC video. He describes concerns with firing pin drag as a potential for the reports of firing pin problems. Then, just shy of 1000 rounds, ***spoiler alert*** a spring breaks and he has to pound the firearm back together against a stump prior to sending it back to Sig (remember when their slogan was “To Hell and Back Reliability?). He discovered the failure during some lesiurely backyard shooting, not during his gauntlet testing.

I love all my firearm brands, but I’ve had to send back a Springfield 45 and a Sig 320, both due to safety concerns in the last 10 years. I’m probably not going to be an early adopter of the P365.

This is a big and consistent problem with the firearm media; this one appears similar to the Remington R51 debacle. I don’t think the reviewers for the print media go about testing these firearms as rigorously as they should prior to telling us how great everything they review is, and I applaud MAC for the work he’s done in showing the limitations of pistols (even in admittedly somewhat far fetched scenarios).

 
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The 43 is so good I have no reason to even consider anything else.
8 in the gun and 9 in the reload is perfect for me.

I realized when I ditched my Bodyguard for a G42 that being smaller is not better. The G42 crushed it in every way.

I trust my Glocks and don’t see them choke. But I’ve seen a lot of Sigs choke. Over rated guns I have no interest in at all. Just my opinion and I’m sure it will downright anger some. I do like some of the 320’s, but wouldn’t trade my Glocks for one.
It’s been shocking to me because of their reputation for quality. I grew up believeinv the hype. Just don’t anymore. That said the 365 is a neat design and if I works for people: great.
 
NKD said:
The 43 is so good I have no reason to even consider anything else.
8 in the gun and 9 in the reload is perfect for me.

I realized when I ditched my Bodyguard for a G42 that being smaller is not better. The G42 crushed it in every way.

I trust my Glocks and don’t see them choke. But I’ve seen a lot of Sigs choke. Over rated guns I have no interest in at all. Just my opinion and I’m sure it will downright anger some. I do like some of the 320’s, but wouldn’t trade my Glocks for one.
It’s been shocking to me because of their reputation for quality. I grew up believeinv the hype. Just don’t anymore. That said the 365 is a neat design and if I works for people: great.
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I have come to feel pretty strongly about Glocks myself and my 43 is definitely not getting retired regardless of what I do with this 365. And I thought I'd never find myself saying I like the grip angle as opposed to an other firearm.

That said, I do remember Phil's Glock exploding in his hand last year at a match at H20. I think it fired out of battery as I recall. Not sure what ever really caused that, but it seems like no firearm is immune from failure.
 
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BBD280 said:
This one is of a pretty hard material. I don't find it sticky at all. I front pocket carry in a Desantis Nemesis and have no problems.
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I ordered one last night. Thanks for the suggestion. We'll see how it works on this Sig.
 
Starkherz199 said:
Per the OP title. I vote Shield.
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And you should. You wield that thing like a light saber. May the force be with you today at the match.

For anyone who hasn't seen or heard starkherz199 at a range practice session, you only thought you were practicing before.
 
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