Solar Cycle 24/25 Minimum Reaches Landmark

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Today, 2019 has tied 2008 at 268 spotless days (77% of the current calendar year). This ties 2008 (Cycle 23/24 min) as the 4th highest spotless count for a calendar year since 1849 (see: http://sidc.oma.be/silso/spotless) and there are sufficient days left in the year possibly to catch 1878 (~ 275 or so). The current spotless day streak of 31 is also now 1 day behind 2008's longest run of 32 days.

Also see: https://spaceweather.com
 
Wonder how this is related to our weather, if anything.
 
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In June 2018 there was a historic dust storm reported on Mars. In April 2018, there was a report that the Giant Red Spot on Jupiter, which has been continuously observed since 1830, was shrinking and might disappear. But by August 2019 it was concluded the GRS was not really shrinking, and should be going strong for a long time.

All this can be tied with precision to the increase in CO2 in our atmosphere. We must Go Green to save the Solar System. At least I think that's what AOC said.
 
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There have been some scientists trying to get the word out for years on sun cycle activity and cooling. Wouldn’t guess that their research was not widely published. I think it was the guys from OK St. if my memory is correct.
 
CZfool68 said:
There have been some scientists trying to get the word out for years on sun cycle activity and cooling. Wouldn’t guess that their research was not widely published. I think it was the guys from OK St. if my memory is correct.
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It was Professor Zarkhova at the Global Warming Conference over a year ago... she predicted all of this in great detail.
 
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It was Professor Zarkhova at the Global Warming Conference over a year ago... she predicted all of this in great detail.
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It goes back farther than that. There were some college researchers in the US several years ago studying sun spot activity and its effect on our temperatures. They were basically blackballed. Commies only like science that fits their narrative.
 
dmarbell said:
In June 2018 there was a historic dust storm reported on Mars. In April 2018, there was a report that the Giant Red Spot on Jupiter, which has been continuously observed since 1830, was shrinking and might disappear. But by August 2019 it was concluded the GRS was not really shrinking, and should be going strong for a long time.

All this can be tied with precision to the increase in CO2 in our atmosphere. We must Go Green to save the Solar System. At least I think that's what AOC said.
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I was rearing back to slap the cowboy piss outta you...until you closed it like a champ!
 
I can't remember where I saw this referenced. I think it was... yeah, this was it https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/04/09/evidence-of-the-11-year-solar-cycle-in-the-stratosphere/. Some pretty interesting stuff, lots of it related to the cosmic rays emitted from the sun, and how solar explosions form a sort of "guard" to protect us from their harmful effects... dangers in that barrier being low and all that.

My thoughts were initially of the MARVELOUS complexity of a delicate pastiche of crudity in the DESIGN of a universe. I admit I have severe prejudice here, but the layers upon layers upon layers of interlocking systems necessary to sustain life in the solar system frankly takes my breath the more I learn about it, and I know almost nothing. My next thought was sort of mentally kicking myself for not taking that astronomy lab elective in school. It was a known crip course and was in the sciences, which made for a science component GPA booster (important if you were thinking of med school acceptance). I would have learned so much! I was dating the woman who later became my wife and could not bear to add another course to a schedule already maxxed out with a heavy science load, plus leading a group of guys in a bible study and trying to spend some time with each of them every week, plus other stuff.

Wow, that is quite a verbal ramble up there! I think I will just leave it!

Anyway, I was happy to see someone else reference this. Jim Watt is pretty good as a commentator on this kind of stuff (he is not what one would call "objective" and is a climate warrior AGAINST the green idiocy), and I would recommend reading him.
 
tanstaafl72555 said:
I can't remember where I saw this referenced. I think it was... yeah, this was it https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/04/09/evidence-of-the-11-year-solar-cycle-in-the-stratosphere/. Some pretty interesting stuff, lots of it related to the cosmic rays emitted from the sun, and how solar explosions form a sort of "guard" to protect us from their harmful effects... dangers in that barrier being low and all that.

My thoughts were initially of the MARVELOUS complexity of a delicate pastiche of crudity in the DESIGN of a universe. I admit I have severe prejudice here, but the layers upon layers upon layers of interlocking systems necessary to sustain life in the solar system frankly takes my breath the more I learn about it, and I know almost nothing. My next thought was sort of mentally kicking myself for not taking that astronomy lab elective in school. It was a known crip course and was in the sciences, which made for a science component GPA booster (important if you were thinking of med school acceptance). I would have learned so much! I was dating the woman who later became my wife and could not bear to add another course to a schedule already maxxed out with a heavy science load, plus leading a group of guys in a bible study and trying to spend some time with each of them every week, plus other stuff.

Wow, that is quite a verbal ramble up there! I think I will just leave it!

Anyway, I was happy to see someone else reference this. Jim Watt is pretty good as a commentator on this kind of stuff (he is not what one would call "objective" and is a climate warrior AGAINST the green idiocy), and I would recommend reading him.
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Any science really should make one more in awe of the creation and it's creator. Biology is much the same as astronomy. Life pretty much rests on the edge of a knife. Step to the left, it's untenable. Step to the right, it's untenable. For everything to be the way it is, in order for life to be sustainable, it's like we've essentially won the lottery 1 million times in a row playing the same numbers.

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..All this can be tied with precision to the increase in CO2 in our atmosphere...
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Speaking of biology, in medicine we use BiPAP to reduce hypercapnia. What we really need to do is just put the earth one a giant BiPAP. Boom. Problem solved. Have them send me my Nobel Prize at my standard PO box.
 
tanstaafl72555 said:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/04/09/evidence-of-the-11-year-solar-cycle-in-the-stratosphere/. Some pretty interesting stuff, lots of it related to the cosmic rays emitted from the sun, and how solar explosions form a sort of "guard" to protect us from their harmful effects... dangers in that barrier being low and all that.
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The Earth is orbiting a pretty ordinary star that is believed to be about halfway from the center of the Milky Way to its outer edges. Our solar system (and the whole galaxy) rotates around the galactic center at 500k mph, and the entire galaxy is moving through space at a rate that makes our velocity look like 1.2 million mph with reference to the cosmic background radiation (remnants of the Big Bang). "We" are never in the same place in the universe from second to second.

It's mind boggling when you consider it.
 
charliesgrave said:
Any science really should make one more in awe of the creation and it's creator. Biology is much the same as astronomy. Life pretty much rests on the edge of a knife. Step to the left, it's untenable. Step to the right, it's untenable. For everything to be the way it is, in order for life to be sustainable, it's like we've essentially won the lottery 1 million times in a row playing the same numbers.
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This debate invokes the chicken-or-the-egg question, which becomes the larger philosophical question: Is the universe the way it is to support life as we know it, or is life as we know it possible because it came to be in the universe the way it is?
 
charliesgrave said:
Speaking of biology, in medicine we use BiPAP to reduce hypercapnia. What we really need to do is just put the earth one a giant BiPAP. Boom. Problem solved. Have them send me my Nobel Prize at my standard PO box.
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I wonder how many plant cells, the kind which would absorb CO2, would have to be injected to absorb the excess CO2? Maybe we can share the Nobel Prize?

But we'd have to prevent this side effect: Delvian's were a humanoid plant species on Farscape. See below.
 
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dmarbell said:
This debate invokes the chicken-or-the-egg question, which becomes the larger philosophical question: Is the universe the way it is to support life as we know it, or is life as we know it possible because it came to be in the universe the way it is?
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Yes, that is the question, in a sense. However, to me the underlying question under that one is, how reasonable is it to assume that the forces of randomness could spawn a material universe so LACKING in entropy in the first place?

If you really want to dig down, why would we ask "why?" in the first place? Causality is never observed, merely imputed by the human mind, and assumed as a grid through which all data must pass. Yet if the universe is random in is origin, this is utterly absurd. There IS no reason why causality, reason, order and logic should exist.... yet we simply cannot even conceive of an existence where these would be lacking.

Either this is an arbitrary meaningless fluke of a collection of neural synapses that sort of automagically came together and has NO real connection to reality (whatever THAT is, another rabbit hole) and is utterly meaningless, or it is the clear evidence of a master mind larger than ours which has left its imprint in ours, so that we cannot even THINK without acknowledging the power of that mind to order ours.

It is why I have to smile at the smirking imbeciles who think that a freshman physics class gives them clear reason to reject the "non rational" world view of theism. These people are either utterly stupid imbeciles who would drown in 6 inches of true thought, or are being dishonest out of a desire to escape something uncomfortable to them..... or both.
 
CZfool68 said:
It goes back farther than that. There were some college researchers in the US several years ago studying sun spot activity and its effect on our temperatures. They were basically blackballed. Commies only like science that fits their narrative.
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David Archibald has been talking about it for quite some time, several others, too. Many see a high likelihood of another Dalton or Maunder type solar minimum over multiple cycles.
 
tanstaafl72555 said:
Anyway, I was happy to see someone else reference this. Jim Watt is pretty good as a commentator on this kind of stuff (he is not what one would call "objective" and is a climate warrior AGAINST the green idiocy), and I would recommend reading him.
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If you're referring to the blog owner, I think you mean Anthony Watt. Unless Jim is a new poster, I don't recognize that name.

Regarding your other musings, if you're interested in some secular thoughts on it, you might find Complexity theory intriguing. It's a fairly new science, (that so far seems to be actually sticking with science) so they're still working out the fundamentals, but it essentially says that complex systems are inevitable in an entropic universe.
 
Just to wrap up on 2019's ending:

  • 281 spotless days. This puts 2019 at #4 (just missing the 282 - I think - for 1878) of most spotless days in a calendar year since 1849: http://www.sidc.be/silso/spotless
  • The recent run of spotless days ended (a few days ago) at 40: a pair of Cycle 25 spots appeared for 2-3 days before decaying. The 40-day run ties for 10th longest also since 1849. Current spotless count is 4 days.
 
"So what does all that mean in layman’s terms?"

1. more cosmic ray exposure in flight.
(clustered DNA damage)
https://www.radsonaplane.com/the-science

2. space weather grows “quiet”.
fewer Northern Lights, etc.
https://spaceweatherarchive.com/2019/12/17/sunspots-set-a-space-age-record/

3. long article:
https://www.livescience.com/61716-sun-cooling-global-warming.html
quote: "A periodic solar event called a "grand minimum" could overtake the sun perhaps as soon as 2020 and lasting through 2070,
resulting in diminished magnetism, infrequent sunspot production and less ultraviolet (UV) radiation reaching Earth
— all bringing a cooler period to the planet that may span 50 years."
 
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