SOLGW?

JBoyette said:
Fixed your quote. :cool:
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You didn't fix it. You simply gave your opinion. Not the same thing.

There is a value perception and then there are demonstrable differences in manufacturing. That's something that can be assessed objectively.

The goal here is to understand the objective differences, but that's been made difficult due to a lack of transparency.
 
JRHorne said:
They are top tier and are good to go. The only endorsement you need is Aaron Cowan from Sage Dynamics has partnered with them for his new custom rifle. If BCM keeps slipping, it's just a matter of time before SOLGW moves well past them (and I'd argue both are neck and neck right now).

Ask @amnesia about his Trunk Monkey.
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Can you explain what you mean by BCM slipping? I'm not aware of any issues they've had recently.

SOLGW posted on r/AR-15 and did confirm their BCGs are Microbest and they went through greater testing than the PSA "Father's of Freedom" knockoff BCG by Microbest. That might be worth the $35 premium over the PSA one, IDK. It would certainly hold it's value better.

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Chuckman said:
Your words: "It's the same product with a different stamp." It's an analogy.

I am not belligerent nor snarky; I am but a simple man who lives life in analogies.
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There is no need for any analogies.
It’s literal.
It’s exactly what I said. The same product. Different stamp.

I hope I’m not coming off as a prick. Just calling it like I see it, and am ready and willing to accept any information that shows me otherwise.
 
IrishCannon said:
Can you explain what you mean by BCM slipping? I'm not aware of any issues they've had recently.

SOLGW posted on r/AR-15 and did confirm their BCGs are Microbest and they went through greater testing than the PSA "Father's of Freedom" knockoff BCG by Microbest. That might be worth the $35 premium over the PSA one, IDK. It would certainly hold it's value better.

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I think it was about 3 or 4 years ago now there were lots of problems with their barrels, both accuracy and finish. I need to go back and google, but I think it basically equated to them not scaling up well trying to meet the crazy demand. Let me see if I can find some of what I read.
 
Studentofthegun said:
You didn't fix it. You simply gave your opinion. Not the same thing.

There is a value perception and then there are demonstrable differences in manufacturing. That's something that can be assessed objectively.

The goal here is to understand the objective differences, but that's been made difficult due to a lack of transparency.
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Agree,
One would be shocked to know the inner workings of who buys from who. As a example UTG Leapers did not grow to the beast it is just off selling UTG Leapers branded items. The Pro series UTG makes is used widely in the AR market as a OEM supplier.

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JBoyette said:
Agree,
One would be shocked to know the inner workings of who buys from who. As a example UTG Leapers did not grow to the beast it is just off selling UTG Leapers branded items. The Pro series UTG makes is used widely in the AR market as a OEM supplier.
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About a year ago I saw a UTG rail and...it was pretty darn nice.
 
This makes way more sense to me, thanks for helping me understand.
JRHorne said:
No, no hornets nest at all! Seriously, I think it just comes down to a business decision. To extend the analogy, think about Toyota producing the LFA. Arguably one of the most incredible Hypercars ever built. So we know they can and will build such a car, so why don't they A: build more of them or B: forget other cars and just build hypercars like Ferrari, Bugatti, Lamborghini, and McLaren? Because they already have an amazing market share and product line that equates to an outstanding business.

So from a manufacturing perspective, if your business ebbs and flows in terms of volume, and you have capacity and capability to take on contracted manufacturing work from an outside company, then the only consideration as to whether you should is dollars. So if SOLGW comes to BA and says "hey we want barrels, but we want them spec'd a bit different than your branded barrels," SOLGW gives them the specs, BA prices them out based on volume, materials, etc, and if the two sides agree on terms, BA produces the SOLGW barrels.
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charliesgrave said:
I've had several of the "PRO" parts and they were pretty good quality and well machined.
What I particularly like is their fixed rear sight. No one else makes anything similar except for LMT's $200 cut up carry handle version.

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That's why you just buy a Colt detachable carry handle and a hack saw. :)

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IrishCannon said:
Oof. Idk man. Even if you're just talking about the trigger in the LPK, I can't agree.

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I'm in the meh camp. They buy quality parts and test everything rather than random sample. Their lowers come with the sear shelf milled. Those parts aren't anything special though. AFAIK they don't "make" anything themselves, they just assemble and test. Their receivers are ZEV, their barrels are Ballistic Advantage, and their BCG are microbest.

However I'd say DD which can be found pretty consistently for about the same are better rifles.
 
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Too put this in perspective. You can can a forged ZEV receiver set for $250, a BA hanson barrel for $200, a milspec toolcraft BCG for $80, splurge a bit on a DD lower parts kit for $110, a BCM buffer kit $60, a Magpul stock for $40, a WLA Rail for $110, and a flash hider for $10. Total is $850. Add $100 for taxes and shipping, and another $100 for a gunsmith to put the upper together you are at $1050.

$600 less than a SOLGW, and just as good.

Spend the $600 extra on a quality optic.
 
Prudii said:
Too put this in perspective. You can can a forged ZEV receiver set for $250, a BA hanson barrel for $200, a milspec toolcraft BCG for $80, splurge a bit on a DD lower parts kit for $110, a BCM buffer kit $60, a Magpul stock for $40, a WLA Rail for $110, and a flash hider for $10. Total is $850. Add $100 for taxes and shipping, and another $100 for a gunsmith to put the upper together you are at $1050.

$600 less than a SOLGW, and just as good.

Spend the $600 extra on a quality optic.
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And you are being price conservative.
Be patient and that number can be knocked down considerably.
 
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Prudii said:
Too put this in perspective. You can can a forged ZEV receiver set for $250, a BA hanson barrel for $200, a milspec toolcraft BCG for $80, splurge a bit on a DD lower parts kit for $110, a BCM buffer kit $60, a Magpul stock for $40, a WLA Rail for $110, and a flash hider for $10. Total is $850. Add $100 for taxes and shipping, and another $100 for a gunsmith to put the upper together you are at $1050.

$600 less than a SOLGW, and just as good.

Spend the $600 extra on a quality optic.
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You're running no charge handle, no forward assist or dust cover, an A2 grip that came with your lpk?

Not that any of that adds significant cost, but it does add cost.

Look, we can always go down the "if you're patient and build" road. I mean I got brand new full LMT MARS-LS lowers with their 2 stage triggers, only without the SOPMOD and grip, for $407 shipped in Jan 2018.

The market/ many folks have purchased and tested SOLGW and found them exceptional in their performance given their price category. Does that mean everyone should rush out and buy them? It's your money and your call.

And it's funny to my the analogies of "they don't make anything, just buy from other manufacturers". Do you all realize how many consumer products are like that? Y'all think Chevrolet, Ford, Toyota make and manufacture every part they put in their vehicles? Hell no! But they are responsible for the quality and performance when they go into their vehicles.
 
I get 10% off at PA, and then when they run 12% off coupons which is practically all the time, I get another 12% off that. A SOLGW upper, less a CH/BCG for $670ish seems very reasonable. Same ballpark as BCM without the BFH barrel. Not a bad deal. I'm considering their 13.7" p/w upper for my next project.

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When you buy SOLGW you're paying for top notch QA/QC from probably the most passionate builder in the states right now.

Just because two builders use parts sourced from the same oem, does not mean those parts are accepted/denied at the same standard or assembled to the same exacting tolerances.

SOLGW is probably the best of the basic rifles without getting into lwrc/knights/hodge/lmt territory.
 
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