Carry as in a rifle case "going to the range". Perfect fit for the folded S2K, I can carry a sling, several Glock fun stick mags and a ballistic plate and have a good deal of addition room.
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Carry as in a rifle case "going to the range". Perfect fit for the folded S2K, I can carry a sling, several Glock fun stick mags and a ballistic plate and have a good deal of addition room.
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Would be cool if the bag could unzip in to a plate carrier
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Or if it turned into a robot!
My only concern with it is that it's clearly a "tactical" case and therefore like a first stop for any thief.
Just remember the way NC's CHP and SC's CWP are written to were concealing a Sub 2K would be questionable on your person but unloaded in say your trunk sure. NC states "handgun" specifically and SC while it states "concealable weapon" it goes on to defined it as
English, do you speak it? That's my problem with a bag to hold a pistol/SBR. The NC law is not going to let you conceal it and swag it around ready to deploy.
Curious OP, what's the length of the Sub2K folded?
In SC, that's a cased rifle. No need to worry. I just wouldn't have a round chambered in the passenger compartment
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No different here, its just a cased rifle I can carry it in the truck behind the front seat. No different than a cased rifle when you are headed to the range. Just don't have a mag in the rifle. Its goes with me to work, then I keep in in my office and then it rides home with me.
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It goes from the house to the truck to my office and home again. My office is firearms friendly.
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16.5" . Its not to carry around on my person kind of setup obviously, that is what my handguns are for........this is to ride in the truck, go with me into my office and ride home again. Its no different than going to the range with a cased rifle and ammo. This no different than going to the range with an AR in a cased with several loaded mags in the case mag pockets, except this looks like a computer case..
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Yes it is. If it is within reach, and concealed in the vehicle, you are in violation of the law.
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I was stopped for a traffic license check outside Greenville last year while on my way to my hunting land down east. I had 8 firearms in my truck and several hundred rounds of ammo. The rifles and shotguns were cased unloaded and stacked on my back seat. The NCHP officers saw them and did not even ask about them. I have been stopped on two other occasions I can remember once going to a match and both times had 3-4 cased rifles in the car with me in the rear of the car with loaded mags in the cases. Both times the officers asked if I was headed to the range. I said affirmative and they said have a nice range trip. You are misinterpreting the statute IMO. If the firearms are not readily accessible and unloaded you are good to go. I have read the "transporting weapons" section many times and have discussed this with LEO's on several occasions. Readily accessible generally means you can get your hands on the weapon quickly and readily from your position in the vehicle. In a zippered case "not a bag" in the back seat of a truck or behind the rear seat with no magazine in the rifle the gun is not readily accessible IMO or in the opinion of the LEO's I have talked with about this issue. Like most firearms laws on the books there is a good deal of grey area and this statute is no different. But you can interpret it any way you see fit......but that is not what this thread is about....its about a specific case option to use for transporting legally a S2K, if that means in your opinion, in the trunk then that is good. The NC law (page 25) states "NC law does not specifically address how to transport a weapon in an automobile". So this tells you to basically transport at your own risk and readily accessible is in the opinion of the LEO who stops you IMO. Why to much gray area to be definitive.
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Glad in the middle of the post you got there, because by letter of the law, there is plenty of room for the bag you posted to be considered carrying a long gun concealed if it is in reach of the driver. The back seat of a truck could easily be considered within reach and a zippered bag does not count as locked unless a lock on the zippers.
You're right, this thread isn't about the law, but we also need to make sure we don't spread or perpetuation misinformation and make sure fellow forum members understand the law is anything but clear. All it takes is one officer having a bad day or a lawful citizen thinking they are within their rights and they could end up with a misdemeanor.
You're right, this thread isn't about the law, but we also need to make sure we don't spread or perpetuation misinformation and make sure fellow forum members understand the law is anything but clear. All it takes is one officer having a bad day or a lawful citizen thinking they are within their rights and they could end up with a misdemeanor.
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Rest assured small minds like yours have never changed the world.
Like the old Cobray carry cases did.
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The members here are all adults with a brain....understanding laws in general regardless if they are firearms related is up to the adult. Any time you case a firearm and place it in a vehicle you are carrying (transporting) the weapon..... be it in the trunk or passenger compartment. So how is showing a cased rifle in the folded position misinformation? If you are obeying the law, how and in what you case the long gun in does not matter. You clearly took the post out of context and tried to make it into another argumentative thread over gun related legal gray areas.
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What crawled up your butt mate?
I'm just saying the case screams "steal me", which would have been a concern if it was to live in a vehicle. Since the op is going to be toting it into work it's less important to be discrete.
Then let me post the entire section on transporting and I'll annotate it to break it down:
Entire excerpt, parenthetical numbering and bold added by me:
So you come, post a picture of a BAG (see annotation 3, your pictures even label it as a bag). Then you note you carry it "in your truck behind the front seat" (again, annotation 3) and cannot, based on the above, understand that how, by the letter of the law, you are in violation? Note that the law makes no designation as to loaded or unloaded, but does SPECIFICALLY note the location of the concealed weapon in the vehicle. Whether you've been pulled over a thousand times and the officers chose to enforce the law or not is not germane. The definition of easy reach and accessible would be up to the discretion of the officer, attorney, and potentially judge or a jury of your peers depending on how it played out.
So again, if you want to inform and help, make sure people understand EXACTLY what is written by the folks who are responsible for making the laws and therefore a part of the system that would be enforcing any violation or potential violation.
Entire excerpt, parenthetical numbering and bold added by me:
So you come, post a picture of a BAG (see annotation 3, your pictures even label it as a bag). Then you note you carry it "in your truck behind the front seat" (again, annotation 3) and cannot, based on the above, understand that how, by the letter of the law, you are in violation? Note that the law makes no designation as to loaded or unloaded, but does SPECIFICALLY note the location of the concealed weapon in the vehicle. Whether you've been pulled over a thousand times and the officers chose to enforce the law or not is not germane. The definition of easy reach and accessible would be up to the discretion of the officer, attorney, and potentially judge or a jury of your peers depending on how it played out.
So again, if you want to inform and help, make sure people understand EXACTLY what is written by the folks who are responsible for making the laws and therefore a part of the system that would be enforcing any violation or potential violation.
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Quoting your post since you've gone back and edited several of them. Notice your picture labeling the case as a bag.
Carry as in a rifle case "going to the range". Perfect fit for the folded S2K, I can carry a sling, several Glock fun stick mags and a ballistic plate and have a good deal of addition room.
I completely agree with this as well. Molle and tan "scream" hey I have a firearm inside or likely something of value. Of course, I had a coworker who had her car broken into and she had 2 tennis rackets in a racket case, and the thieves stole the racket CASE after taking the rackets out. The case apparently was garbage and the rackets very expensive, so maybe they were just stupid.
I promise I'm not trying to be argumentative, I just want everyone to be informed to a point they feel comfortable enough to make their own decision.One of my friends is a corporate lawyer.
If I didn't know better I'd swear he hacked JRH's account.
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If the bag was behind the front seat, I don't call that readily accessible.
Did you not read my post with the exact wording of the law? There is specifically a line about it being in the back seat which classifies it as readily accessible.
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Your attitude and the way you attempt to make your points is poor friend. The OP is about a case option for the S2K that is all, not a legal assessment of what readily accessible means when transporting a long gun. You have opinions and the way you state them makes you sound to me like a newbie who wants to get some street cred. You are going about it the wrong way. No matter how many times you repeat your opinion with smart ass comments does not make you right. Gray areas of the law will always be open for interpretation. I have 40 years of experience with firearms so I will go with what I know and the feed back I have gotten from LEO's I have discussed this issue with. (2) North Carolina law does not specifically address how to transport a weapon in an automobile. This means its open to interpretation to what "readily accessible" is period. But we all appreciate your opinion anyway, but you need to work on your attitude. As you state above you may not be trying to be argumentative...... but that is exactly how you come across to others. If this thread is a problem for you just move along to the next one.
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I have and they work fine for range practice IMO but I use the factory Glock mags for social use. I would make sure you give them all a good workout to check for reliability/function. The ones I have the springs are a bit stiff and don't generally load as smoothly.
As I said, I made my point and laid out facts as presented by the governing and enforcing powers of the state in which we live. What set me down this path was your attempt to convey that your new bag, and method of carry, is in fact not contrary to the law given your interpretation of the language and your 40 years of experience. All of that is fine and dandy, however by my interpretation of the law, your method of carry is in fact in violation. Accordingly, I felt it prudent to add the ACTUAL letter of the law, IN ITS ENTIRETY, to the thread to ensure other forum members can read, interpret, and make an educated and informed decision not based off of what someone with 40 years of experience chooses to do, but by the standard to which they could be held in a court of law that then could impact their ability to own weapons, their financial and employment situation, and a myriad of other life aspects that go well past the opinions of anyone on this forum.
Sorry you don't like my attitude, but I have positively contributed to this thread and community and have not called anyone a name or insulted anyone. Even in your response, you quote one line of the regulation and then continue on about it being open to interpretation as to what readily accessible is... but neglect that there are then roughly 13 more sentences with additional interpretation and guidance specific to everything being discussed.
Also, if you don't like me adding facts and helpful pieces to your thread, you may ignore my posts at any point.
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@Daleo8803 & @pirate , we had a Korean mag come apart at the range a couple of weeks ago. During fire, the base plate came off, puked all of the rounds out the bottom, and the spring has yet to be found. I ended up with a 31 round ETS mag in a trade and, so far, it has worked great. In fact, I ordered 5 more from Midway when they had them on sale for less than $14 each. They don't have metal feed lips so I don't know how long they will last but, they have a lifetime guarantee. They work in my G17, G19, and Sub2K but in a SHTF situation, I'd want the Glock factory mags.