Suppressor paperwork questions

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I have decided to purchase a suppressor for my 300blk. So far I have visited two different LGS and gotten conflicting information about what is required. I was hoping you guys could help me out. I went through the NFA process for an SBR about 5 yrs ago when I lived in SC. CLEO signature was not an issue so I did not use a trust. I understand most sheriffs in NC are not NFA friendly but I also understand there has been a change in the rules.

My questions are as follows:
Without a trust do I still need the sheriffs signature (one shop said no the other said yes)?

If an individual doesn't need the sheriffs signature and all persons on a trust must submit finger prints and go through a background check is there a still a benefit in getting a trust for a single guy with no family members interested in using an NFA item?

If I do decide to get a trust will I have pay another $200 stamp to transfer my SBR to the trust?

Has anyone purchased a suppressor through silencershop.com? The all in one fingerprint and efile paperwork kiosk seems like the way to go but one shop alluded to additional fees and cost and tried to discourage its use (even though he had one sitting right there in the store). I'd like to avoid driving all over the county getting finger prints, and signatures if possible. The other shop I went to made it seem like using the kiosk I would have my paperwork complete and submitted in about 30 minutes. I would have gone ahead done it but the machine was acting up and when he called the silencer shop tech support they were out of the office.

And finally my last question is mostly rhetorical. Why does this have to be such a pain in the ass?
 
The Swamp Fox said:
1. Without a trust do I still need the sheriffs signature?

2. If an individual doesn't need the sheriffs signature and all persons on a trust must submit finger prints and go through a background check is there a still a benefit in getting a trust for a single guy with no family members interested in using an NFA item?

3. If I do decide to get a trust will I have pay another $200 stamp to transfer my SBR to the trust?

4. Has anyone purchased a suppressor through silencershop.com? The all in one fingerprint and efile paperwork kiosk seems like the way to go but one shop alluded to additional fees and cost and tried to discourage its use (even though he had one sitting right there in the store). I'd like to avoid driving all over the county getting finger prints, and signatures if possible. The other shop I went to made it seem like using the kiosk I would have my paperwork complete and submitted in about 30 minutes. I would have gone ahead done it but the machine was acting up and when he called the silencer shop tech support they were out of the office.

5. Why does this have to be such a pain in the ass?
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1. No more CLEO signatures required. It's now a Notification instead of a Certification.

2. Yes. The ability to add people later. A single person trust is basically the same effort as an individual.

3. Yes. But nothing wrong with having the SBR as an individual and everything else as a trust. Some people even do a separate trust for every single item.

4. Yes. But I prefer using vendors local to me. Most of mine have come through Scott @ Tar Heel State Firearms. He's no a SilencerShop dealer, but has the equipment to do the livescan fingerprints and photos. I've also used Jeremy @ JK Silencers. I know he had a kiosk, but now that he closed down the storefront I'm not 100% sure. (Will update if somebody provides that info) See his post below...still has access to the SID

5. No logical answer.

BTW...in case you missed it, there's a sticky in here that's fairly thorough: Guide to NFA Forms
 
I have decided to purchase a suppressor for my 300blk. So far I have visited two different LGS and gotten conflicting information about what is required. I was hoping you guys could help me out. I went through the NFA process for an SBR about 5 yrs ago when I lived in SC. CLEO signature was not an issue so I did not use a trust. I understand most sheriffs in NC are not NFA friendly but I also understand there has been a change in the rules.

My questions are as follows:
Without a trust do I still need the sheriffs signature (one shop said no the other said yes)?
No Sheriffs signature needed.
If an individual doesn't need the sheriffs signature and all persons on a trust must submit finger prints and go through a background check is there a still a benefit in getting a trust for a single guy with no family members interested in using an NFA item?
Yes and No. If you don't plan on having some one to pass them on too then why bother with the added paperwork. If you have anyone that wants to take the items or think you may at some point then a trust might be the best route to go.
If I do decide to get a trust will I have pay another $200 stamp to transfer my SBR to the trust?
Yes you would have to transfer from you to your trust on a F4 and pay another $200.
Has anyone purchased a suppressor through silencershop.com? The all in one fingerprint and efile paperwork kiosk seems like the way to go but one shop alluded to additional fees and cost and tried to discourage its use (even though he had one sitting right there in the store). I'd like to avoid driving all over the county getting finger prints, and signatures if possible. The other shop I went to made it seem like using the kiosk I would have my paperwork complete and submitted in about 30 minutes. I would have gone ahead done it but the machine was acting up and when he called the silencer shop tech support they were out of the office.
The SID is the easiest way to do all the paperwork. It takes me 30 seconds to assign the serial number and SS does the rest. The Paperwork fee is $30 and the SID dealer can charge up to $40 for prints and as little as nothing. Another beifnt is then next purchase with the ANY Powered by dealer is faster as they will already have everything saved. Took 38 mins start to finish on a second form.
And finally my last question is mostly rhetorical. Why does this have to be such a pain in the ass
 
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I use Scott at Tarheel State Firearms for all of mine. He does everything for you except pay and and smile in your photo :)
 
1. No more CLEO signatures required. It's now a Notification instead of a Certification.

2. Yes. The ability to add people later. A single person trust is basically the same effort as an individual.

3. Yes. But nothing wrong with having the SBR as an individual and everything else as a trust. Some people even do a separate trust for every single item.

4. Yes. I've also used Jeremy @ JK Silencers. I know he had a kiosk, but now that he closed down the storefront I'm not 100% sure. (Will update if somebody provides that info)
I still have a store front but with limited hours as we have had baby three. I worked with Denver Defense to get the SID moved over there.
5. No logical answer.

BTW...in case you missed it, there's a sticky in here that's fairly thorough: Guide to NFA Forms
 
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Thanks guys, I saw the thread guide thread after I posted this but I still had the silencer shop question so I just left it all up. I really want to support my local shops but when I go in there and the owner tells me I either have to pay his trust fee or roll the dice getting the sheriff to sign off on it and when I questioned him about the sheriff signature he ask if I would have trouble passing a background check. At that point I was done.

I've got two more local shops to visit but I wanted to try the others first since they had the kiosk and I thought it would be the easiest way to do it.

JK if you weren't 4hrs away you'd have my business.
 
The Swamp Fox said:
Thanks guys, I saw the thread guide thread after I posted this but I still had the silencer shop question so I just left it all up. I really want to support my local shops but when I go in there and the owner tells me I either have to pay his trust fee or roll the dice getting the sheriff to sign off on it and when I questioned him about the sheriff signature he ask if I would have trouble passing a background check. At that point I was done.

I've got two more local shops to visit but I wanted to try the others first since they had the kiosk and I thought it would be the easiest way to do it.

JK if you weren't 4hrs away you'd have my business.
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That's easy. Get your prints in the SID and I'll do the rest. Minus pay for and smile. Feel free to call me at 262-994-4049 or email me at [email protected].
 
We have local dealers here!

I recommend a Griffin Armament Recce 7, FWIW
 
Some what off topic but are there any dealers in SC that anyone can recommend? Thanks

PS didn't mean to take over thread....
 
Daleo8803 said:
Some what off topic but are there any dealers in SC that anyone can recommend?
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I am in SC and purchased two suppressors from Scott @TARHEELSTATE as he has/had(?) a SC business store front as well. Not sure if that is still the case but if I were to purchase another suppressor I would call him first.
 
Daleo8803 said:
Some what off topic but are there any dealers in SC that anyone can recommend? Thanks

PS didn't mean to take over thread....
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PSA sells cans (at least their Columbia location does but they're all hundreds of dollars over priced. Would probably turn away even the most uninformed buyer with sticker shock
 
Daleo8803 said:
Some what off topic but are there any dealers in SC that anyone can recommend? Thanks

PS didn't mean to take over thread....
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Yep...as mentioned, @TARHEELSTATE is licensed in both states, so his full inventory is available for you.
 
Daleo8803 said:
Some what off topic but are there any dealers in SC that anyone can recommend? Thanks

PS didn't mean to take over thread....
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We have licenses for NC and SC. All the inventory you see on our website is available directly to customers in either state. WWW.TARHEELSTATEFIREARMS.COM

Feel free to give us a call or email at anytime with questions.

Scott 704-942-8671
 
Daleo8803 said:
Thanks guys!! I got in touch with @TARHEELSTATE . Will be getting the ball rolling soon.

@Tobrooks that would be awesome. I have actually shot a gun with a suppressor.... Lol want one for my ARs and my 22s.
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I have a DAA mask you can try on my AR 22 and my 22/45 Lite and a 9mm AR you can try with the Tundra. Sportsmanship Spot on Hands Mill Rd will let you shoot pistol calipers there. I'm tied up today but off all next week if you want to meet there one day. If so shoot me a PM and I'll send you my cell # and you can text me to set something up. Thanks Tommy
 
I have a question, what if you purchase a suppressor and fill out the paperwork and you get denied, do you get your money back?
 
Diverdad said:
I have a question, what if you purchase a suppressor and fill out the paperwork and you get denied, do you get your money back?
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1.) I am not a lawyer lol
2.) I would think since it is a tax for the ownership of an NFA item and you were never granted ownership so the tax wouldn't be valid you would get a refund.
 
I do find it odd the Form 4 doesn't mention a refund...although it does for a withdrawal and a cancellation:

3. Approval of Application. Upon approval of an application, the NFA Division will return the approved copy to the transferor for delivery with the firearm to the transferee. Since the approval of the application effectuates registration of the firearm to the transferee, the physical transfer of the firearm must be completed immediately; however, the transferor must not transfer the firearm until the application has been approved and received. If the physical transfer of the firearm cannot be completed immediately, the transferor must contact the NFA Branch with the specifics.

4. Withdrawal of Application. The transferor may withdraw an application prior to approval subsequent to a written request to the Chief, NFA Division, 244 Needy Road, Martinsburg, WV. 25405. The NFA Division will arrange for a refund of the tax paid.

5. Cancellation of Approved Application. The transferor may cancel an approved application only if the physical transfer of the firearm has not been completed. The transferor must return the approved application with the original tax stamp affixed with a written request for cancellation, citing the need and that the physical transfer of the firearm did not take place. The request shall be directed to the Chief, NFA Division, 244 Needy Road, Martinsburg, WV. 25405. The NFA Division will arrange for a refund of the tax paid.

6. Disapproval of Application. If the application is disapproved, the NFA Division will note the reason for disapproval on the application and return one copy of the ATF Form 4 to the transferor.

7. Reasons for Disapproval. 26 U.S.C. § 5812 provides that applications shall be denied if the transfer, receipt, or possession of the firearm would place the transferee in violation of law.

a. Violation of Law. Applications shall be denied if the receipt or possession of the firearm would place the person receiving or possessing the rearm in violation of law.

b. Persons Prohibited from Receiving a Firearm. The application will be disapproved if the transferee is a person prohibited from receiving a firearm. For information regarding persons prohibited from receiving a firearm, refer to definitions 1m through 1r.
 
I appreciate the responses, but I meant for the purchase price of the suppressor? Don't you have to buy it up front then fill out the paperwork for the tax stamp?
 
Diverdad said:
I appreciate the responses, but I meant for the purchase price of the suppressor? Don't you have to buy it up front then fill out the paperwork for the tax stamp?
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That'll all depend on your local dealer's policy. Probably at least a restocking fee.
 
Diverdad said:
I have a question, what if you purchase a suppressor and fill out the paperwork and you get denied, do you get your money back?
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We have had applications Disapproved that were submitted after 41P due to the purchaser failing the background check with the FBI.
The ATF does refund the $200 in all cases if the transfer cannot take place.

Our policy is to refund the money for purchase price minus CC fees and such if customer has a disapproved application and the transfer cannot take place on in stock items. If the customer just wants to cancel then we charge 25% restocking fee. On special order items or items the customer bought online and had transferred in, we can help the customer find a buyer for them.
 
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