Syrian Air strikes Started

[Graywolf]

I'm telling you, the President did not SAY aloud (to declare) to the public or in private (as far as I know) he was declaring war. What part of that don't you understand. Congress alone can declare war and I'm sure he knows that. Bush did the same thing. Obama drew a line....

 

[CZfool68]

Last night I had a dream. A dream of the glorious border fence that could have been built using the funds wasted on this attack.

You are just silly. We all know Lockheed Martin doesn't make border walls.

 

[Dale Gribble]

I'm telling you, the President did not SAY aloud (to declare) to the public or in private (as far as I know) he was declaring war. What part of that don't you understand. Congress alone can declare war and I'm sure he knows that. Bush did the same thing. Obama drew a line....

He may not have issued an official declaration of war, but he sure as sh*t initiated one.

 

[gc70]

I'm telling you, the President did not SAY aloud (to declare) to the public or in private (as far as I know) he was declaring war. What part of that don't you understand. Congress alone can declare war and I'm sure he knows that. Bush did the same thing. Obama drew a line....

It is a pity the Constitution does not establish a harsh penalty for being involved in wars that are not constitutionally approved. Then again, if that were true there would be a very long line of former Presidents disgraced for violating the Constitution.

(Subtitle: Why Congress wants someone else to take responsibility for wars)

 

[john galt]

If Syria used gas, and they had to know our response, why use so little? I mean they had 3 factories producing it. Raise your hand if you have lived or worked at Dugway Proving Grounds. I'm in.
So few syrian casualties yet we killed thousands of sheep in one incident.
I know what I know and Russia could have done it with much less mess and more
Casualties. Yet Syria kicked the bbls out of a chopper? Brave men.

 

[DCGallim]

I'm telling you, the President did not SAY aloud (to declare) to the public or in private (as far as I know) he was declaring war. What part of that don't you understand. Congress alone can declare war and I'm sure he knows that. Bush did the same thing. Obama drew a line....

Maybe since this was the last thing on page 3 you missed it. Let’s try again.

So if I come to your house and start taking stuff out of it I’m not stealing until I declare that I’m here to rob you.

Say that out loud and see how stupid it sounds. That’s what you just did.

 

[noway2]

He may not have issued an official declaration of war, but he sure as sh*t initiated one.

This brings up s good point. The president has been allowed, one could even say authorized, to take limited action under certain circumstances, presumably where there is a risk to this nation. Setting aside the question of whether or not there was risk to the nation, a topic in and if itself, “police action” like this presumes that the rest of the world recognizes said action as such. The US is not the world’s police and needs to stop acting like it. Just because the US says it isn’t “war” doesn’t mean others don’t see it as one. It was an act of war. If you don’t think so, imagine what would be the response if someone did that to us here. Unfortunately, we’ve now justified such actions.

 

[HMP]

I'm telling you, the President did not SAY aloud (to declare) to the public or in private (as far as I know) he was declaring war. What part of that don't you understand. Congress alone can declare war and I'm sure he knows that. Bush did the same thing. Obama drew a line....

Well you got that first part right, he didnt say it.
... But so what?

 

[Tailhunter]

The thing is ... no one in here can do a dang thing about it one way or another.

 

[gc70]

The thing is ... no one in here can do a dang thing about it one way or another.

Together we can do something. Public pressure ended US involvement in the Vietnam War. Public pressure surely influences members of Congress.

Unfortunately, many Americans enjoy being busybodies and having the US play policeman to the world.

 

[B00ger]

Together we can do something. Public pressure ended US involvement in the Vietnam War. Public pressure surely influences members of Congress.

Unfortunately, many Americans enjoy being busybodies and having the US play policeman to the world.

Agreed....we >can< do something. The real question is "are we actually going to do something".

Ive read a few times "I am fed up with this" style remarks, but ok...you are fed up...so now what? You going to sit in your living room being fed up? Does it matter enough to you to pound pavement? Knock on doors? Get in politicians faces? Hoist the skull and crossbones and weigh anchor?

Or are you just going to clutch your pearls and say "I declare!".

 

[smithnwesley]

Unfortunately, many Americans enjoy being busybodies and having the US play policeman to the world.

some like to claim the moral high ground (as long as its not them sacrificing their lives or money). some just want to complain with every move the opposition makes.

a year ago got into a heated discussion about the "muslim ban" and syrian refugees. the bleeding heart says we need to let them all in because its the "right thing to do". economy, cost be damned etc . he also thinks we need to sever ties with israel because of the conflict it brings.

then last week with the threat of a response to an alleged chemical attack, it was TRUMPS STARTING WW3 - he's just doing this to throw us of the trail of russian collusion etc.

i said - no someone probably told him its the "right thing to do". so do you think we have an obligation to help them or not - what actions could trump possibly make to make you happy.

the only answer i got was for him to resign.

 

[Tailhunter]

Together we can do something. Public pressure ended US involvement in the Vietnam War. Public pressure surely influences members of Congress.

Unfortunately, many Americans enjoy being busybodies and having the US play policeman to the world.

We never do anything together, this is the gun community, remember?

 

[DCGallim]

Agreed....we >can< do something. The real question is "are we actually going to do something".

Ive read a few times "I am fed up with this" style remarks, but ok...you are fed up...so now what? You going to sit in your living room being fed up? Does it matter enough to you to pound pavement? Knock on doors? Get in politicians faces? Hoist the skull and crossbones and weigh anchor?

Or are you just going to clutch your pearls and say "I declare!".

Well this election is to important to do something about it. We’ll get them next go round.

 

[B00ger]

Well this election is to important to do something about it. We’ll get them next go round.

I agree completely. There is too much at stake! Don't throw away your vote!

 

[georgel]

So if I come to your house and start taking stuff out of it I’m not stealing until I declare that I’m here to rob you.

Say that out loud and see how stupid it sounds. That’s what you just did.

I think the point he is making is that a declaration of war is a formal process. Kinda like Vietnam wasn't formally a war.

 

[DCGallim]

I think the point he is making is that a declaration of war is a formal process. Kinda like Vietnam wasn't formally a war.

You can call a pig a beauty queen, but at the end of the day it’s a pig.

 

[bigfelipe]

Well this election is to important to do something about it. We’ll get them next go round.

That's adorable... People still think voting matters...

 

[SPM]

 

[drypowder]

Anyway where is such concern when there is attempted genocide of Christians in that region?

The left is actively hostile to Christianity, and the neocons don't care about Christians either abroad or at home - they just want American Christian money and especially American Christian votes to push a non-America first agenda. And of course they want American Christians to give them their sons for war.

Neocon meddling in the Middle East has led to a dramatic reduction in Christianity in that region (via war, execution, and exodus due to persecution). Neocons couldn't care less.

 

[ronn47]

Can/would someone explain to me just what it is in/about Syria that we are there for?
Oil? They don't really have all that much.
Friends of ours? I don't think so.
People we want to be friends with? I don't think so.
Treaties with us? Nope.
Then Why?

 

[DCGallim]

Can/would someone explain to me just what it is in/about Syria that we are there for?
Oil? They don't really have all that much.
Friends of ours? I don't think so.
People we want to be friends with? I don't think so.
Treaties with us? Nope.
Then Why?

They don’t trade oil in US dollars, one of the few countries left that don’t. Looking at you Iran, you’re about due for some freedom.

 

[Dale Gribble]

Hussein ditched the dollar in 2000. Gaddafi was planning to ditch it in favor of gold. Assad went to the Euro.

Common theme....

Turn your back on the petrodollar and it will significantly decrease your lifespan.

 

[SPM]

Can/would someone explain to me just what it is in/about Syria that we are there for?
Oil? They don't really have all that much.
Friends of ours? I don't think so.
People we want to be friends with? I don't think so.
Treaties with us? Nope.
Then Why?

Because War is all that backs the US dollar these days would be my guess......and we need a steadily increasing supply of “enemies” to keep the public scared and the War Machine in full production mode. It’s what floats our economy.

Some would argue it has a lot more to do with the fact that Syria doesn’t have a central bank beholden to the global banking cartel. In fact, you could look at a list of such countries and recognize the headlines from the last 20 or so years of American “humanitarian “ foreign policy....


In the year of 2000 there were eight countries without a Rothschild owned or controlled Central Bank:

• Afghanistan.
• Iraq.
• Sudan.
• Libya.
• Cuba.
• North Korea.
• Iran.
• Syria.

Notice anything curious about every single country on the list?

 

[GeorgeBush]

^Source?

 

[DCGallim]

Because War is all that backs the US dollar these days would be my guess......and we need a steadily increasing supply of “enemies” to keep the public scared and the War Machine in full production mode. It’s what floats our economy.

Some would argue it has a lot more to do with the fact that Syria doesn’t have a central bank beholden to the global banking cartel. In fact, you could look at a list of such countries and recognize the headlines from the last 20 or so years of American “humanitarian “ foreign policy....


In the year of 2000 there were eight countries without a Rothschild owned or controlled Central Bank:

• Afghanistan.
• Iraq.
• Sudan.
• Libya.
• Cuba.
• North Korea.
• Iran.
• Syria.

Notice anything curious about every single country on the list?

No Rothschild controlled central bank, that’s all that matters

 

[CZfool68]

Can/would someone explain to me just what it is in/about Syria that we are there for?
Oil? They don't really have all that much.
Friends of ours? I don't think so.
People we want to be friends with? I don't think so.
Treaties with us? Nope.
Then Why?

Research the 2 competing oil pipelines through that area and into Europe. One is Russian backed and one is ours. More players involved, but that is a huge issue. Russian currently has a huge advantage to supplying oil and gas into
Europe due their proximity. They have had a hige influence there for years. So there is a lot of money involved. I think
Russia has had a presence in the ports there for a long time, and they would prefer there not be a US naval base in that area.

And there is probaly about a dozen other issues we do not know about. Heck, maybe Hoffa is buried over there. Who knows?

 

[CZfool68]

Hussein ditched the dollar in 2000. Gaddafi was planning to ditch it in favor of gold. Assad went to the Euro.

Common theme....

Turn your back on the petrodollar and it will significantly decrease your lifespan.

If and when the Petro dollar dies we all may go with it. The US dollar drop like a rock of we re not the world's rserve currency. Anyone interested in $30 gallons of milk and $20 loaves of bread? That is the stuff that will happen when the dollar is replaced. Unless you are totally self sufficient we are all screwed at that point. Venezuelan type economics will hit.

 

[Darkhorse]

Can/would someone explain to me just what it is in/about Syria that we are there for?
Oil? They don't really have all that much.
Friends of ours? I don't think so.
People we want to be friends with? I don't think so.
Treaties with us? Nope.
Then Why?

Ask
Lockheed Martin

General Dynamics

McDonnell Douglas

Pratt/Whitney

General Electric
And the list could go on.

That's just a few it's all about the dollar. Money and power.

 

[Dale Gribble]

If and when the Petro dollar dies we all may go with it. The US dollar drop like a rock of we re not the world's rserve currency. Anyone interested in $30 gallons of milk and $20 loaves of bread? That is the stuff that will happen when the dollar is replaced. Unless you are totally self sufficient we are all screwed at that point. Venezuelan type economics will hit.

That will happen whether the dollar is replaced or not. Hyperinflation is not an 'if', but a 'when'.

Unsound fiscal policy has put us on an irreversible course to hyperinflation hell. Our deficit is not the advertised $20 trillion that's parroted on just about any newscast...it's actually closer to $90+ trillion when you factor in things .gov must pay for, but hasn't the funds to do so...

We will never be able to pay for that...never.



This fellow tried to warn us...hell; he even attempted to put himself in a position, thrice, where he may've had a positive effect by exercising fiscal responsibility...

But the people said, "no". They swallowed up everything the Hannibaugh and the RNC establishment told them...that this fellow was an unelectable kook, a nutjob and would make our country 'vunerable'. So over him, they chose a warmonger in 2008 and an anti-gun tyrant in 2012.

Sh*t rolls back around, but unfortunately, it rolls back around on all of us.

 

[drypowder]

And there is probaly about a dozen other issues we do not know about.

How about Israel?

How many people following this thread are aware that ISIS and Al Queda offshoot Al-Nusra (so-called "moderate rebels") are operating in the eastern Golan Heights? Kind of odd that these jihadist groups are by the border of Israel controlled western Golan Heights, yet they aren't fighting their alleged Israeli enemies, nor is Israel attacking these jihadists. Funny how the MSM isn't telling us about this part of the war.

Guess whose territory expands if this destabilization of the secular Syrian government results in permanently fracturing the territory once known as Syria?

I don't have a problem with Israel forcefully taking a chunk of Syria. What I do have a problem with is Israel manipulating America (via AIPAC, among other levers) into fighting its wars. If Israel wants part of Syria, let it spend its own wealth and bodies for it.

 

[gc70]

Can/would someone explain to me just what it is in/about Syria that we are there for?
Oil? They don't really have all that much.
Friends of ours? I don't think so.
People we want to be friends with? I don't think so.
Treaties with us? Nope.
Then Why?

There is also the issue of friends. The Sunni Saudis and Turks are enemies of the Shia Iranians, who are friends and supporters of the Alawite (Shia-derived) Syrian government. So part of the mess ends up being the Russians and their Syrian and Iranian friends against the US and our "friends."

 

[Silver_Bullet]

The left is actively hostile to Christianity, and the neocons don't care about Christians either abroad or at home - they just want American Christian money and especially American Christian votes to push a non-America first agenda. And of course they want American Christians to give them their sons for war.

Neocon meddling in the Middle East has led to a dramatic reduction in Christianity in that region (via war, execution, and exodus due to persecution). Neocons couldn't care less.

I’m so proud of you and your independent thinking .

 

[phideux]

There is also the issue of friends. The Sunni Saudis and Turks are enemies of the Shia Iranians, who are friends and supporters of the Alawite (Shia-derived) Syrian government. So part of the mess ends up being the Russians and their Syrian and Iranian friends against the US and our "friends."

None of those non-bacon eating towel heads are our "friends".

 

[Exile_D]

Worth a listen on the Syria mess. Also talking about the mutilated white children murdered around the world that we are never shown or told about.

 

[NKD]

 

[Chdamn]

Hussein ditched the dollar in 2000. Gaddafi was planning to ditch it in favor of gold. Assad went to the Euro.

Common theme....

Turn your back on the petrodollar and it will significantly decrease your lifespan.

Yep, when the gulf war started there was actually a paper published (wish I could find it again) that detailed the 5 countries that were, at that time, in talks with one another about shifting oil to the gold standard and away from the dollar.

I am of 2 minds about this. First, I firmly believe it to be true and think that it is obscene that American lives were spent (and continue to be spent) in the protection of us remaining as the oil currency.

And while I am unsure, I believe that if they had succeeded it would have completely decimated our economy and the value of the dollar (since it is a fiat currency that is being propped up mainly by the oil trade) making us the epicenter of the worst global depression of all time that only the Arab oil states would have survived.

So while people can lament these police actions as only insulating the wealth of a few I'm not so sure.

 

[gc70]

And while I am unsure, I believe that if they had succeeded it would have completely decimated our economy and the value of the dollar (since it is a fiat currency that is being propped up mainly by the oil trade) making us the epicenter of the worst global depression of all time that only the Arab oil states would have survived.

All bubbles must eventually burst. Unless a bubble is only being maintained while it is being reduced, a bubble and its ultimate ramifications will only grow.