Taylorsville cult in the news..

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  1. charliesgrave

    charliesgrave cosmoline enthusiast Benefactor Life Member Supporting Member

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    https://www.theepochtimes.com/fbi-d...rug-trafficking-at-twelve-tribes_2982534.html

    These allegations are nothing new, but everyone in Alexander county (except the sheriff's dept, apparently) continue to give them money and sing their praises.
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    The FBI released redacted documents this week on the cult community known as the “Twelve Tribes,” revealing numerous allegations against the group, including child sexual abuse, drug trafficking, ritual abuse, and forced labor.
    The 61-page document—released by the bureau’s Vault library on June 25—included separate complaints detailing the alleged crimes, mostly against children. The cult has communes all over the United States, including Vermont, New York, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Florida, California, Tennessee, and more.
    In 2013, a preliminary investigation was conducted by the FBI, based on a complaint the bureau received from the Alexander County Sheriff’s Office in North Carolina that children were being “sexually exploited” at a Twelve Tribes compound in the town of Hiddenite. The case was closed the same year.
    Twelve Tribes has communes around the world, with the Hiddenite location being one of its training centers.
    Documents showed that drugs were used at the commune and placed into “ritual” bread—usually LSD and hallucinogenic plants, as well as heroin and meth. There were also ritual ceremonies once a month that involved the bread being broken and gang rapes.
    Punishment within the cult involved being beaten with a rod and having the wife or children of the accused being sexually assaulted by other cult members. The sheriff’s office had been aware of the Hiddenite location since 2006 and that much of the land in the area was owned by the cult, since families who joined had to turn over their property.
    Members of the Hiddenite compound also allegedly were forced to go to a location and work all night and day for “three straight days,” in what was known as a “push” that involved three or six members. Those working were allowed to drink coffee that may have had something added to it to keep them awake.
    In a prior complaint included in the released documents, a name that was redacted had contacted the public access line to report child sexual abuse in a Twelve Tribes commune located in Manitou Springs, Colorado. The person had said children were threatened not to tell the police or anyone else about the beatings or sexual abuse, and that the cult ran a restaurant in the area.
    Yet another document, one from 2010, detailed how a former member was allegedly sexually and physically abused by cult members as a child but had repressed the memories. In 2009, the former member had seen a psychologist, who reported the abuse to local authorities, and had also contacted national leaders of the cult to inform them of her abuse. The former member also attended personal meetings with the cult leaders.
    After a meeting on a date that was redacted, the former member was killed in a car crash that “was not accidental” and was allegedly “orchestrated” by cult members to prevent the woman from “propagating the claims of abuse.”
    In the Twelve Tribe cult, members were also “allowed to punish any child belonging to the community.” The FBI document detailed how members would take their children to be “wooped,” meaning beaten, if they smiled at another child during a gathering, or if they were “horsing” around.
    “Bigger children have missed ‘gathering’ for a couple of days at a time because they were beaten so badly and left in a condition where they could not attend,” the documents said, based on an interview with an FBI agent.
    One former member said that they were once “locked in a cellar, beaten, and deprived of food.”
    The release of the FBI documents came days after Keith Raniere, the former leader of purported self-help organization NXIVM was found guilty on all charges at a Brooklyn federal court on June 19.

    The FBI just released these, but the original inquiry was in 2013. Reports of abuse go back well into the 80's.

    There is a whole website of former members telling their story in addition to a youtube channel of content.

    By the way, I don't know if anyone has actually been through the area where they've set up, but they're slowly taking over Hiddenite. They have the old grocery store, the old hotel, several houses, and they'll (that being their leader, the one with the pocket book) buy up as much land as they can to expand, shuttling more and more slaves in to do work and make money.
    If Hiddenite were ever to incorporate, they could run the town just like Rajneeshpuram tried to do in Oregon.
     
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  2. charliesgrave

    charliesgrave cosmoline enthusiast Benefactor Life Member Supporting Member

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    Interesting little tidbit from the FBI report.

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    backwoodsshooter There’s no such things as ghost guns or ghost

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    If I’m not mistaken, they have a cafe down in hiddenite also that is popular. I remember when they bought out all those buildings and renovated them and opened. People were preaching they wouldn’t go there. Yet they stay busy.

    Never been and really don’t plan on going


    Glad I don’t live down that way anymore
     
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    premise outwardly solipsistic Life Member

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    The Yellow Deli. Really good food.
     
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    Slacker Liquor and Whores...

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    Seen one cult, seen them all.
    I play it safe and just lump all organized religions as cults. Its a big time saver.
     
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    Why did the FBI release docs?
    Did the DOJ or local AG ever prosecute?
     
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    Cowboy Glances can deceive

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    But they've got a great sandwich!
     
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    Yep. Great food and the people are really nice to you.

    As to the allegations, wouldn’t surprise me. I grew up in a somewhat similar group(which no longer exists and whose core beliefs I disavowed decades ago), though, and allegations like those happened to us, too, although there were far more allegations than actual abuse. So, it wouldn’t surprise me if a lot of it is untrue, too.

    Not that I am defending them at all. Just have a little firsthand experience.
     
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    Cowboy Glances can deceive

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    I grew up Mormon. So after moving south and attending a baptist church I heard all kinds of crazy stuff that happened inside the Mormon church. Most of it probably not true. But I'm sure some of it was because I was young and didn't see a bunch.
     
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    Sound like all the talk about the Word of Faith Fellowship in Rutherford County. They also have a good restuarant, actually they have two. There have been lots of allegations, but as far as I know, nothing has really become of it.
     
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    That’s cool...we lump all y’all heathen together too...


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    premise outwardly solipsistic Life Member

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    FBI? I guess the Fed don't like when somebody else monopolizes control over a group of people. I guess the ATF will have to get involved and burn all the women and children alive so as to save them from further abuses.

    And nobody is mixing heroin and methamphetamine into bread and eating it, or at least living afterwards.
     
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    I say this half-jokingly but a lot of them probably have a tolerance, as that's who this cult historically has preyed on. They actually started following around the Greatful Dead, picking up runaway and burnouts back in the 80's.
    Like most cults, they look for the down and out, and take advantage of their misfortune.
     
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    premise outwardly solipsistic Life Member

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    I'm aware, but there isn't much tolerance for mixing a strong narcotic with methamphetamine, it'll tailspin you into heart failure pretty quickly.

    And if people give up killing themselves with drugs to be a "slave" to a cult leader and it brings them happiness, it's not my place to judge. I'm always dubious of those that recall "repressed" memories of abuse.
     
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    charliesgrave cosmoline enthusiast Benefactor Life Member Supporting Member

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    Which is why I say half-jokingly. Wouldn't surprise me if they're being drugged, but they wouldn't do it in such a way it would kill someone. Would draw too much attention.

    If this were one instance, I could see it as an outlier. But these reports to back into the 80's.
     
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    Crazy Carl seriously?

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    Do they run the "mine" out there? The chick workin' was all like, "ooh, that's a sapphire & ooh, that's a such 'n such & that 'un's so & so". I told her I just brought the kids out for a fun time & she didn't need to blow smoke up my butt. Think I caught her a little off guard. Lol! Pretty country out that way.
     
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    charliesgrave cosmoline enthusiast Benefactor Life Member Supporting Member

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    No, as far as I know, not the mine, but the old Crystal Gem Inn- the B+B behind the elementary school.
     
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    I smell a Waco in the future.
     
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