Tell me about pigs

I raised a couple of pigs awhile back, and had them processed. Go for it, you will enjoy it. I had no previous experience with pigs.

I have invoices from the processor if you're curious, but pretty much what @Moylan said.

I plan to do my next batch in the cow pasture with movable, electric hog netting vs. the pen I used the first time. They can be put to work for you, for example if you need some ground disturbed, they will do it. Then you can reseed a day or two before you rotate them, and they will give you some good seed to soil contact.

As @Infamous1 mentioned, they will eat anything. I never gave mine meat, but I would toss them whole eggs if I ended up with too many. They really liked cooked sweet potatoes I would bring home, and would even get upset if they weren't in their bowls at feeding time haha. Intelligent critters. Between dogs, chickens, pigs and composting, not much should end up in the trash.
 
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I raised a couple of pigs awhile back, and had them processed. Go for it, you will enjoy it. I had no previous experience with pigs.

I have invoices from the processor if you're curious, but pretty much what @Moylan said.

I plan to do my next batch in the cow pasture with movable, electric hog netting vs. the pen I used the first time. They can be put to work for you, for example if you need some ground disturbed, they will do it. Then you can reseed a day or two before you rotate them, and they will give you some good seed to soil contact.

As @Infamous1 mentioned, they will eat anything. I never gave mine meat, but I would toss them whole eggs if I ended up with too many. They really liked cooked sweet potatoes I would bring home, and would even get upset if they weren't in their bowls at feeding time haha. Intelligent critters. Between dogs, chickens, pigs and composting, not much should end up in the trash.

Were you the guy that snapped a pic of the inside of a stand up freezer?

I'm trying to determine if alcohol is really killing my brain cells or is that a myth.
 
Were you the guy that snapped a pic of the inside of a stand up freezer?

I'm trying to determine if alcohol is really killing my brain cells or is that a myth.

That's me, the processor invoices were posted as well, but I haven't tried to find them.

I've done a few steers since then, and now have 3 freezers jam packed haha.
 
Another option you may consider is quail. You would need to raise more birds than with chickens but they don’t need large coops and most breeds mature in 6-8 weeks. They are neat little birds. Town and country used to sell them in Sanford, not sure if they still do.
 
Im looking at KuneKune amd American Guinea hogs. Less feed and space requirements means more pigs
I'm still considering pigs (probably 2023 before I do them), and i've looked into KuneKune pigs. I don't have any pasture land for them, and they take 2 years or so before they're at butcher weight. My understanding is that's the case with most (all?) heritage breeds.

I'll be looking at stuff that makes weight in 6 months or so if/when I do them.
 
I know this is a very old thread, but in the event you are still sorting the pig thing out I thought I would offer some history, my experience and my advise. I've farmed pigs on a subsistence scale just for our family for 15 years. I've raised Durok, Land-race, Black Poland China crosses, Yorkshire. Those are the big "commercial breeds." I started thinking about how to farm smarter and tried a few of the "Heritage Breeds." I have had Tamworths, a American guinea Hog cross, but am now farming Kune Kunes. My goal is subsistance, sustainability, profitability, utility and ease of processing. I'll get to all that and why I now farm Kune Kune's. I also have a few odd suggestions depending on your goals.

Pigs are one of the most useful, best bang for your buck way to put food on the table of all livestock anywhere, ever. Period. You can feed them darn near anything, table scraps old feed, slops from restaurants, whey from cheese making some stuff folks normally compost in addition to whatever pasteur, woods or whatever you have them on.

So pigs have had a rough go of it in recent history. Over 20 some domestic pig breeds became extinct (yes domestic breeds + extinct) around the time of the industrial revolution. Almost every small holder in the entire country prior to the first world war had a couple of pigs. They are the heart and soul of any small farm operation and one of the easiest animals to keep and feed and get big returns. Even easier to keep now, thanks to moveable electric fencing. The extinction of domestic breeds occurred believe it not because pigs were used to make explosives in the Great war. This was actually the impetus for women to start using vegetable oil for cooking. The lard was needed in the war. Two big categories, Lard breeds and Bacon Breeds. It turns out that when we started factory farming in this country only a couple breeds were "suited" to commercial conditions. So between being butchered for war efforts (potted meat and glycerine) and the mass factory farming favoring after the war, only a handful of breeds remained. Almost all lard breeds got to critical levels if they did not become entirely extinct. They are making a comeback now for all the reasons they were most favored by small farmers. The give good meat but also have a lot of fat for cooking and making soap. Some of them come with other perks like they graze rather than digging. I'll cut the history lesson short here, but for now just realize that there are a lot of breeds out there that are ideal for the homestead that you may have never even heard of and they may be just right for what you are doing.

Hogs need shade from direct sun, and need to be in the dirt. They can get anemic if they aren't able to take up minerals from the soil. Some concrete hog farmers literally shoveled dirt in their troughs before feeds started adding the correct minerals. Healthy raised on the ground hogs have very pink, rose coloring to their meat and you can tell how a pig was raised when you have it on the end of your fork.

You can use hogs to clear gardens if you get a good routing breed. Tamworths are ideal. Put em where you want to plant later and let them do the tilling and consume all weed and vegitation. Its called a hog tractor; look it up.

Grazing breeds like the American Guinea hog and the Kune Kune are safe to put on grass and they will graze without turning up the ground. Some call them orchard pigs.

I have grown to favor the Kune Kunes for the following advantages:
1) They are small and easy to tackle on butchering day, like btwn 200 to 300 depending on age and gender. I can process one in a couple of hours using stuff I already have to butcher deer. This is very manageable to me. You can kill them and drag them, or rather walk them to the "spot," where you do the deed, pull em up on a deer gambrel and get to work. You don't need a front end loader and 6 hours to butcher, nor do you have a huge chore and the need for significant infrastructure to get them where you want them or have to haul them off to a butcher only to loose the value in raising hogs for yourself to save money. Besides with the bottlenecks in the meat industry you can't get in to butcher shops hardly anymore. I'm a DIY kinda guy. Watch some bearded butchers tutorials on youtube. You can learn a lot. My grandfather was a butcher and I've picked up tricks from him.
2) Kunes graze and make use of grass. This makes them ideal pigs for preppers when times get tough and feed becomes scarce or supply gets bottle-necked. Their grass diet has made their meat desirable in the vogue charcuterie world.
3) They are extremely valuable right now so the piglet market is fantastic. This means cost up front but when you can sell them for 300 to 400 dollars a piece (going rate) for little pigletts that someone can litterally take home in a small dog crate, it means you will see your money come back. Ours average from 8 to 10 piglets. There are a lot of market in Kunes. Tough times have people branching out into farming stuff who normally would not. Oddly some keep them for pets and pay top dollar for these cute little woolly looking things so there is that too.
4) Lard. They are a lard breed so their lard can be rendered and used for cooking grease and for soap.
5) Taste. Hands down the best swine you will ever eat.
6) Birthing is easy and piglet loss is minimal. I can't tell you how many times I was slated to get some feeder piglets and they were born and claimed but died prior to weening and I had to wait for the next sow to give birth. Its because when a 400-to 600lbs sow rolls over the piglets get smothered. Kune Kunes don't have this problem in my experience and that of others, or at least it is rare.

Kunes have the one disadvantage that they take longer to get to butcher weight.

Lastly, for my odd recommendation. Some people are looking to put up protein economically and are not wanting to pay inflated prices for pork. I believe times are about to get tough so I offer this to all the preppers. I have the perfect solution, if you are so inclined. Check out Craigslist ads for Pot bellied pigs. Odds are that at any time of the year you can score no less than 5 full grown pot bellied pigs for free within an hour drive. See where I'm headed. Most say, free to a good home, which I'm sure yours is, right? People think, oh I'll get a cute little pot bellied pig for a pet. They baby them, feed them and get em nice and plump and right about then they loose interest and don't know what to do with this bigger, not so cute pig anymore. Well, I say, sausage is a great solution. Some have them just hanging around the farm and they don't want the expense anymore because of economic pinch. I don't know exactly why this is, but they are free all the time, everywhere. Some may find this prospect to be odd, but a pig is a pig, and they are as good to eat as any other breed out there, small to retrieve and as such manageable to butcher. Their free, and you don't even have to farm them, they are pre-grown.

PM me if you have any questions and we can connect.
 
I know this is a very old thread, but in the event you are still sorting the pig thing out I thought I would offer some history, my experience and my advise. I've farmed pigs on a subsistence scale just for our family for 15 years. I've raised Durok, Land-race, Black Poland China crosses, Yorkshire. Those are the big "commercial breeds." I started thinking about how to farm smarter and tried a few of the "Heritage Breeds." I have had Tamworths, a American guinea Hog cross, but am now farming Kune Kunes. My goal is subsistance, sustainability, profitability, utility and ease of processing. I'll get to all that and why I now farm Kune Kune's. I also have a few odd suggestions depending on your goals.

Pigs are one of the most useful, best bang for your buck way to put food on the table of all livestock anywhere, ever. Period. You can feed them darn near anything, table scraps old feed, slops from restaurants, whey from cheese making some stuff folks normally compost in addition to whatever pasteur, woods or whatever you have them on.

So pigs have had a rough go of it in recent history. Over 20 some domestic pig breeds became extinct (yes domestic breeds + extinct) around the time of the industrial revolution. Almost every small holder in the entire country prior to the first world war had a couple of pigs. They are the heart and soul of any small farm operation and one of the easiest animals to keep and feed and get big returns. Even easier to keep now, thanks to moveable electric fencing. The extinction of domestic breeds occurred believe it not because pigs were used to make explosives in the Great war. This was actually the impetus for women to start using vegetable oil for cooking. The lard was needed in the war. Two big categories, Lard breeds and Bacon Breeds. It turns out that when we started factory farming in this country only a couple breeds were "suited" to commercial conditions. So between being butchered for war efforts (potted meat and glycerine) and the mass factory farming favoring after the war, only a handful of breeds remained. Almost all lard breeds got to critical levels if they did not become entirely extinct. They are making a comeback now for all the reasons they were most favored by small farmers. The give good meat but also have a lot of fat for cooking and making soap. Some of them come with other perks like they graze rather than digging. I'll cut the history lesson short here, but for now just realize that there are a lot of breeds out there that are ideal for the homestead that you may have never even heard of and they may be just right for what you are doing.

Hogs need shade from direct sun, and need to be in the dirt. They can get anemic if they aren't able to take up minerals from the soil. Some concrete hog farmers literally shoveled dirt in their troughs before feeds started adding the correct minerals. Healthy raised on the ground hogs have very pink, rose coloring to their meat and you can tell how a pig was raised when you have it on the end of your fork.

You can use hogs to clear gardens if you get a good routing breed. Tamworths are ideal. Put em where you want to plant later and let them do the tilling and consume all weed and vegitation. Its called a hog tractor; look it up.

Grazing breeds like the American Guinea hog and the Kune Kune are safe to put on grass and they will graze without turning up the ground. Some call them orchard pigs.

I have grown to favor the Kune Kunes for the following advantages:
1) They are small and easy to tackle on butchering day, like btwn 200 to 300 depending on age and gender. I can process one in a couple of hours using stuff I already have to butcher deer. This is very manageable to me. You can kill them and drag them, or rather walk them to the "spot," where you do the deed, pull em up on a deer gambrel and get to work. You don't need a front end loader and 6 hours to butcher, nor do you have a huge chore and the need for significant infrastructure to get them where you want them or have to haul them off to a butcher only to loose the value in raising hogs for yourself to save money. Besides with the bottlenecks in the meat industry you can't get in to butcher shops hardly anymore. I'm a DIY kinda guy. Watch some bearded butchers tutorials on youtube. You can learn a lot. My grandfather was a butcher and I've picked up tricks from him.
2) Kunes graze and make use of grass. This makes them ideal pigs for preppers when times get tough and feed becomes scarce or supply gets bottle-necked. Their grass diet has made their meat desirable in the vogue charcuterie world.
3) They are extremely valuable right now so the piglet market is fantastic. This means cost up front but when you can sell them for 300 to 400 dollars a piece (going rate) for little pigletts that someone can litterally take home in a small dog crate, it means you will see your money come back. Ours average from 8 to 10 piglets. There are a lot of market in Kunes. Tough times have people branching out into farming stuff who normally would not. Oddly some keep them for pets and pay top dollar for these cute little woolly looking things so there is that too.
4) Lard. They are a lard breed so their lard can be rendered and used for cooking grease and for soap.
5) Taste. Hands down the best swine you will ever eat.
6) Birthing is easy and piglet loss is minimal. I can't tell you how many times I was slated to get some feeder piglets and they were born and claimed but died prior to weening and I had to wait for the next sow to give birth. Its because when a 400-to 600lbs sow rolls over the piglets get smothered. Kune Kunes don't have this problem in my experience and that of others, or at least it is rare.

Kunes have the one disadvantage that they take longer to get to butcher weight.

Lastly, for my odd recommendation. Some people are looking to put up protein economically and are not wanting to pay inflated prices for pork. I believe times are about to get tough so I offer this to all the preppers. I have the perfect solution, if you are so inclined. Check out Craigslist ads for Pot bellied pigs. Odds are that at any time of the year you can score no less than 5 full grown pot bellied pigs for free within an hour drive. See where I'm headed. Most say, free to a good home, which I'm sure yours is, right? People think, oh I'll get a cute little pot bellied pig for a pet. They baby them, feed them and get em nice and plump and right about then they loose interest and don't know what to do with this bigger, not so cute pig anymore. Well, I say, sausage is a great solution. Some have them just hanging around the farm and they don't want the expense anymore because of economic pinch. I don't know exactly why this is, but they are free all the time, everywhere. Some may find this prospect to be odd, but a pig is a pig, and they are as good to eat as any other breed out there, small to retrieve and as such manageable to butcher. Their free, and you don't even have to farm them, they are pre-grown.

PM me if you have any questions and we can connect.
Thank you, this is great information. I am curious to hear more about the Tamworths since they can help with soil preparation... In your experience, how do they compare to the Kune kunes on size, lard content, disposition, breeding, taste, etc.
 
As a younger man with four kiddos to feed I raised Poland China & Spotted Yorkshire. I picked up un sold bread, donuts, food & brewers grain from local stores, restaurants, & brewers. This was supplemented with cob corn from farmers and sweet grains from the local feed store. My granddad was a butcher and the skill & tools were handed down so I processed our own meat. We would usually raise 8-10 and trade three each year for a 1/2 of a cow. Usually kept three for our use and sold any remaining.
Life was good.
 
Thank you, this is great information. I am curious to hear more about the Tamworths since they can help with soil preparation... In your experience, how do they compare to the Kune kunes on size, lard content, disposition, breeding, taste, etc.
Durham Dad,

As my CFF name implies, I love farming wisely. And have put a lot of thought and think deliberately about how I do things. I try to merge philosophy with agriculture in a way that is in line with folks like Wendell Barry, and the Vanderbuilt agrarians. I'm a bit of a romantic (40 acres and a mule and all) and an idealist (known to duel windmills) and I can get chatty, so getting me goin on husbandry and working the land isn't hard, its getting me to shut up that is the problem. There is so much here though......

Cool resource first:
So I'll point you and anyone interested in the history of farming in the US in the direction of the American Livestock Breeds Conservancy. They are a wealth of information and based out of Pittsboro, NC. They have history behind rare breeds and a lot to say about how each has served our ancestors over the years. They call them "heritage breeds" and their emphasis is on the preservation of these important and historical breeds many of which are endangered and a critical numbers. You'll be amazed at the breeds of any type of animal you've never heard of and you'll wonder why they aren't on every small farm. But the truth is,they use to be. There are a ton of breeds of turkey, sheep, and cattle that are fantastic and far better suited for small holders than commercial breeds. For instance, you can get more milk per acre from little Dexters than Holstein. They don't fit into the model of milk per cow which has been more doable on a commercial dairy of scale, but the small holder just wants a sufficient amount of milk for a limited amount of land to feed himself, and a handful of neighbors. I went to Tillers International to learn to work with oxen for animal traction (plowing and logging) about 10 years ago and got to work with a rare breed called Dutch Belted (not Belted Galloway but looks similar) that is ideal for milk, meat and fantastic for labor. Dutch Belted produce almost the same butterfat as a Jersey and will do it on poor Pasteur conditions. But with specialization of Hosteins for milk, Angus for beef and no need for smart labor (oxen) a lot of the great all around breeds just fell of the map, the Milking Shorthorn and the Milking Devon come to mind as breeds that were multi use which are now bred primarily for beef. Others lost their smarts being bred for meat production etc. Anyway the question wasn't about cattle, but principle is the same. My point is that, smallholders and homesteaders need not be limited and boxed into the breeds or models of bigger commercial farms. Can't recommend the ALBC more.

Tamworth and Kune Kune Contrasted:
Tams are much larger than Kune Kunes by a couple hundred pounds, they are a bacon breed rather than a lard breed (bacon breeds have long rectangular fit looking bodies and lard breeds look like fat round footballs). Tams are very vigorous rooter-a-rounders and are fantastic if you need to eliminate weeds and vegetation on a future garden site. They will go to turning up sod without pulverizing the microbiology of the soil like a mechanical tiller will, which keeps the soil healthy facilitating nutritional uptake by the plants you intend to grow. The advantage to this in conjunction with a manual broad-fork or turn or chisel plow over mechanized tilling is that you sequester water, nitrogen and avoid dead pan. You get all this all while your pigs fertilize as they go and eventually provide you the benefit of a far superior healthier pork than something raised on concrete or wire floors. Farming is a ballet of material and figuring out how systems can compliment other systems. This "pig tractor" method is a temporarily fence em' ( w/ short electric netting) and let them do the work for you type of approach. As Joel Salitin says, your employing the "pigness of the pig." Tams have a long powerful plow of a snout.

Kune Kunes are smaller, they are little wooly footballs. They have fantastic pure white lard. They are docile. They are far more personable and approachable. Both taste good to me, we do a lot of sausage and bacon (I have a slicer for after we have smoked the belly). I prefer the size and taste of a Kune Kune ham. Its flavorful and doing one fresh ham wont leave you with ham leftovers for 3 days. You'll get more of the "choice cuts" from a Tam because of the long body and top loin and you'll get larger portions of choice cuts owing to their larger size. Kunes have a short dished nose much like the potbellied pig's which limits their ability to root around (they still do some rooting). Instead they graze, which is great if you are interested in a more grass based approach to supplementing feed. In fact you have to really limit feed with Kune Kunes. The green herbage consumption makes unique pork and there is a growing charcuterie market for this (though I have not messed with this yet). I have not run into any problem breeding the Kunes so long as the boars aren't overweight; I can not speak to the Tam's ease of breeding, we got those as piglets and just did them as growers. Given they are a bacon breed and very vigorous/active you shouldn't have any problems with the breeding. One of the reasons we went with Kunes was that they are small enough that keeping a boar was more feasible cutting down on breeding and the mark up from getting piglets every year. But having an on site boar for breeding can bring some challenges that are not always worth having over just finding a supplier of feeders when it comes to a large breed. I would say though, if one of the goals is turning up soil, having a Tam sow or two that you take to get bred and overwinter, might be a good option because its the larger stronger pigs that are going to do the heavy lifting when it comes to tillage. Lastly, Kunes are right at home in an orchard and help keep down the grass and eat premature deadfall before worms set in.

While not exactly an orchard with fruit, I have a stand of 4 year old Dunstan Chestnuts that will start bearing soon. Prior to the American Chestnut Blight in 1905 when a squirrel could go from Georgia to Main from one Chestnut to another, many "swine herders" in the Appalachian free ranged branded hogs all over the mountains. We are talking hundreds of pounds of nut mast dropping from just one mature tree and they were 1/3 of the forest canopy. They rounded them up after they had foraged and "finished" on the seasonal Chestnut drop in the fall and would drive them down the mountain to Wilkes to market. This would have fattened hogs up real good right before slaughter time. Some of the earliest laws on record in Blowing Rock had to do with fencing pigs. Rich Folk in Blowing Rock didn't approve of these ranging hogs in their fancy yards. I might not let them have free range of the nuts in the orchard, but might store them for over winter feed if I can figure a way to preserve and keep them. I have about 60 Chestnut trees so I should have plenty for them, the deer we hunt and us (chestnut flour and polenta).

With all my pig systems I use either movable short premier fence netting or old fashion electric wire and have small moveable huts. Water solution is a free food grade 55 gal drum with a nipple screwed directly into the bung. I have these on some wooden stands so I can get them up off the ground at snout height. This system is easy to move manually or with a small truck. My huts are build on skids as is the water sled station which is filled by the rain coming off the hut. Rarely have to bring water in. As stated before, shade from sun is important with any pig. Lots of folks have great luck "foresting hogs" with the larger breeds by drilling insulative donuts into trees and confining them to the shade. They eat the undergrowth stay in the shade and grow way faster when not stressed with heat. They lay in the cool forest soil and can be provided a free choice hopper. But don't ever give Kunes free choice. They will get so fat so quick it can effect fertility. I know a guy who does the forest hog thing and he has a trailer full of 600 pounders going to the market in shifts. He farms a lot of different stuff, but the money making is in Hogs and they are the easiest thing to manage of all his critters and produce.

Hope all this helps. I've got lots of fun things to offer folks that are interested from my years "philosofarming." I have learned most of my lessons and tips from researching tried and true historical methods, watching others, or by trial and error. I've made every mistake possible and don't mind sharing my mistakes so you don't have to make them too. There isn't much I have not tried my hand at homesteading wise or can't speak to or research for inquiring minds. Let me know if there are any other burning questions. I will try to start new threads when I have new projects coming up.
 
We had hogs when I was a kid.................never again.........................never.
I worked running a clay trap on a diversified pig farm. Those things will about tip over a Land Rover trying to get in to steal your lunch. They seem all cute and delicious until the giant bastard comes over and starts knocking you about to extort food.
 
I worked running a clay trap on a diversified pig farm. Those things will about tip over a Land Rover trying to get in to steal your lunch. They seem all cute and delicious until the giant bastard comes over and starts knocking you about to extort food.

Most people that didn't grow up on a farm are amazed when they rub up against some real live nature. We'd occasionally have calves orphaned at birth, that no cow would adopt & we'd have to bottle feed them. A tame cow that thinks yer their buddy is cute when they're little, but a year & a half later & 700 to 800lbs larger, they will launch you across the pasture when they sneak up behind you & headbutt you in the ass, wanting to play.
 
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Most people that didn't grow up on a farm are amazed when they rub up against some real live nature. We'd occasionally have calves orphaned at birth, that no cow would adopt & we'd have to bottle feed them. A tame cow that thinks yer their buddy is cute when they're little, but a year & a half later & 700 to 800lbs larger, they will launch you across the pasture when they sneak up behind you & headbutt you in the ass, wanting to play.
I expect horses and cows to knock me about, they're huge. Pigs don't seem that big until you hear the side of a Land Rover creaking like a submarine at crush depth
 
Durham Dad,

As my CFF name implies, I love farming wisely. And have put a lot of thought and think deliberately about how I do things. I try to merge philosophy with agriculture in a way that is in line with folks like Wendell Barry, and the Vanderbuilt agrarians. I'm a bit of a romantic (40 acres and a mule and all) and an idealist (known to duel windmills) and I can get chatty, so getting me goin on husbandry and working the land isn't hard, its getting me to shut up that is the problem. There is so much here though......

Cool resource first:
So I'll point you and anyone interested in the history of farming in the US in the direction of the American Livestock Breeds Conservancy. They are a wealth of information and based out of Pittsboro, NC. They have history behind rare breeds and a lot to say about how each has served our ancestors over the years. They call them "heritage breeds" and their emphasis is on the preservation of these important and historical breeds many of which are endangered and a critical numbers. You'll be amazed at the breeds of any type of animal you've never heard of and you'll wonder why they aren't on every small farm. But the truth is,they use to be. There are a ton of breeds of turkey, sheep, and cattle that are fantastic and far better suited for small holders than commercial breeds. For instance, you can get more milk per acre from little Dexters than Holstein. They don't fit into the model of milk per cow which has been more doable on a commercial dairy of scale, but the small holder just wants a sufficient amount of milk for a limited amount of land to feed himself, and a handful of neighbors. I went to Tillers International to learn to work with oxen for animal traction (plowing and logging) about 10 years ago and got to work with a rare breed called Dutch Belted (not Belted Galloway but looks similar) that is ideal for milk, meat and fantastic for labor. Dutch Belted produce almost the same butterfat as a Jersey and will do it on poor Pasteur conditions. But with specialization of Hosteins for milk, Angus for beef and no need for smart labor (oxen) a lot of the great all around breeds just fell of the map, the Milking Shorthorn and the Milking Devon come to mind as breeds that were multi use which are now bred primarily for beef. Others lost their smarts being bred for meat production etc. Anyway the question wasn't about cattle, but principle is the same. My point is that, smallholders and homesteaders need not be limited and boxed into the breeds or models of bigger commercial farms. Can't recommend the ALBC more.

Tamworth and Kune Kune Contrasted:
Tams are much larger than Kune Kunes by a couple hundred pounds, they are a bacon breed rather than a lard breed (bacon breeds have long rectangular fit looking bodies and lard breeds look like fat round footballs). Tams are very vigorous rooter-a-rounders and are fantastic if you need to eliminate weeds and vegetation on a future garden site. They will go to turning up sod without pulverizing the microbiology of the soil like a mechanical tiller will, which keeps the soil healthy facilitating nutritional uptake by the plants you intend to grow. The advantage to this in conjunction with a manual broad-fork or turn or chisel plow over mechanized tilling is that you sequester water, nitrogen and avoid dead pan. You get all this all while your pigs fertilize as they go and eventually provide you the benefit of a far superior healthier pork than something raised on concrete or wire floors. Farming is a ballet of material and figuring out how systems can compliment other systems. This "pig tractor" method is a temporarily fence em' ( w/ short electric netting) and let them do the work for you type of approach. As Joel Salitin says, your employing the "pigness of the pig." Tams have a long powerful plow of a snout.

Kune Kunes are smaller, they are little wooly footballs. They have fantastic pure white lard. They are docile. They are far more personable and approachable. Both taste good to me, we do a lot of sausage and bacon (I have a slicer for after we have smoked the belly). I prefer the size and taste of a Kune Kune ham. Its flavorful and doing one fresh ham wont leave you with ham leftovers for 3 days. You'll get more of the "choice cuts" from a Tam because of the long body and top loin and you'll get larger portions of choice cuts owing to their larger size. Kunes have a short dished nose much like the potbellied pig's which limits their ability to root around (they still do some rooting). Instead they graze, which is great if you are interested in a more grass based approach to supplementing feed. In fact you have to really limit feed with Kune Kunes. The green herbage consumption makes unique pork and there is a growing charcuterie market for this (though I have not messed with this yet). I have not run into any problem breeding the Kunes so long as the boars aren't overweight; I can not speak to the Tam's ease of breeding, we got those as piglets and just did them as growers. Given they are a bacon breed and very vigorous/active you shouldn't have any problems with the breeding. One of the reasons we went with Kunes was that they are small enough that keeping a boar was more feasible cutting down on breeding and the mark up from getting piglets every year. But having an on site boar for breeding can bring some challenges that are not always worth having over just finding a supplier of feeders when it comes to a large breed. I would say though, if one of the goals is turning up soil, having a Tam sow or two that you take to get bred and overwinter, might be a good option because its the larger stronger pigs that are going to do the heavy lifting when it comes to tillage. Lastly, Kunes are right at home in an orchard and help keep down the grass and eat premature deadfall before worms set in.

While not exactly an orchard with fruit, I have a stand of 4 year old Dunstan Chestnuts that will start bearing soon. Prior to the American Chestnut Blight in 1905 when a squirrel could go from Georgia to Main from one Chestnut to another, many "swine herders" in the Appalachian free ranged branded hogs all over the mountains. We are talking hundreds of pounds of nut mast dropping from just one mature tree and they were 1/3 of the forest canopy. They rounded them up after they had foraged and "finished" on the seasonal Chestnut drop in the fall and would drive them down the mountain to Wilkes to market. This would have fattened hogs up real good right before slaughter time. Some of the earliest laws on record in Blowing Rock had to do with fencing pigs. Rich Folk in Blowing Rock didn't approve of these ranging hogs in their fancy yards. I might not let them have free range of the nuts in the orchard, but might store them for over winter feed if I can figure a way to preserve and keep them. I have about 60 Chestnut trees so I should have plenty for them, the deer we hunt and us (chestnut flour and polenta).

With all my pig systems I use either movable short premier fence netting or old fashion electric wire and have small moveable huts. Water solution is a free food grade 55 gal drum with a nipple screwed directly into the bung. I have these on some wooden stands so I can get them up off the ground at snout height. This system is easy to move manually or with a small truck. My huts are build on skids as is the water sled station which is filled by the rain coming off the hut. Rarely have to bring water in. As stated before, shade from sun is important with any pig. Lots of folks have great luck "foresting hogs" with the larger breeds by drilling insulative donuts into trees and confining them to the shade. They eat the undergrowth stay in the shade and grow way faster when not stressed with heat. They lay in the cool forest soil and can be provided a free choice hopper. But don't ever give Kunes free choice. They will get so fat so quick it can effect fertility. I know a guy who does the forest hog thing and he has a trailer full of 600 pounders going to the market in shifts. He farms a lot of different stuff, but the money making is in Hogs and they are the easiest thing to manage of all his critters and produce.

Hope all this helps. I've got lots of fun things to offer folks that are interested from my years "philosofarming." I have learned most of my lessons and tips from researching tried and true historical methods, watching others, or by trial and error. I've made every mistake possible and don't mind sharing my mistakes so you don't have to make them too. There isn't much I have not tried my hand at homesteading wise or can't speak to or research for inquiring minds. Let me know if there are any other burning questions. I will try to start new threads when I have new projects coming up.
This is incredibly helpful. I am in the learning/planning stages for a small farmstead and I will need to convert areas of weedy young pine forest to create pasture/silvopasture.

I had never heard of Wendell Berry or the Vanderbilt Agrarians, so I think you've given me a couple new rabbit holes to go down :). And the livestock conservancy is not far away, but I had forgotten about them.

Your planting of chestnuts reminds me of a regenerative farmer, I think named Mark Shepard (?). I would also like to plant trees for green forage and mast as I thin the pines, so would be interested in hearing more of how you are incorporating them... And there is definitely a group of folks here that would enjoy and benefit from learning about more of your projects.

Thanks again!
 
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Some call them the "Southern Agrarians," the best known of that ilk would have to be Richard Weaver. His Ideas Have Consequences is an all time favorite of mine, written in 1948. Way more on the Philosophy side but intersects with the agrarian way often. Wendell would be his brainchild. Another great book is Gene Logsdon's Holy Shit: managing manure to save the world. I am familiar with Mark. I think agroforestry is awesome. We built our house with logs from our property drawn selectively with a horse logger running a team of Suffolk Punch's. He was an original "biological woodsman" but unfortunately I think their movement suffered some fallout. Anyway the guy that had the local team was an amazing wealth of information and I knew him from my college days at Appstate. I think he studied sustainable ag. I dream of having a team of oxen one day for doing similar work.

Regarding weedy young pine clearing. If it is big overgrown undergrowth you can use goats to clear. We do this on our field edges and briar patches, but we have dairy goats and have moveable fencing. If you don't have all that or have someone local who can put in some goats, consider a controlled burn. If its something pigs could keep down until you can clear I'd use the screw in insulative donut rings to hang wire on. You get a small tool that fits a cordless drill and go around the perimeter at the ideal height for hogs and you'll have it done before your battery dies.
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Run your wire and leave a dab of peanut butter on a piece of aluminum foil on the wire. They are a fast study of that wire and will respect it and you wont be chasing pigs, they'll respect the boundary and be happy. If the pine is small enough, rent you a big chipper and save the chips for later projects, mulching around blueberry bushes, etc.

Love me some permaculture, silviculture and agroforestry. If you are in the planning stage think about things like fruit, nuts and blueberry bushes etc. Put them in places that make sense they'll be fairly permanent fixtures. Layout is perhaps the most important part of farming. Economy of motion, manure management, water transfer or portability, shade, soil quality,,,lots to think about. Get started on permaculture as soon as you have a good layout figured out because it will take time to come in (be it fruit, shade or whatever) but then you'll have annual crops that are low maintenance and shade down there in the summer when its scalding hot. I lived between Wake Forest and Durham while I was in Seminary Schooled in SEBTS and worked a part time job in Durham on the side. Down where you are I am not sure I would do Chestnuts but I would be thinking hard on planting a ton of pecans or their cousin, the shellbark hickory. They give great crops of high value nuts and then, your kids can harvest some top dollar lumber down the road. The Shagbark grows up (maybe shellbark here but I could not do pecans.
 
After a few trips to the local grocery store and seeing the prices of pork here lately, I may hafta get my carcass back out there in actual pursuit of said beasties. Geezes.
Friggin country style ribs, which used to be a $7 meal if I couldn't find it for $4 on "manager's special", is now ~$17!!:eek:
..There's a pile'o'pigs "free ranging" at our hunt club. May hafta get my azz in gear again.. :cool:
I'm free ranging mine.
 
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