Terrorist attack in London

HMP said:
So he should be punished for what his brother did?
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If he knew why not? Do you really think all the so-called peaceful neighbors and Mosque buddies don't know what's goingnon? Insurgencies can't succeed without help from the populace. If people know what is going on and either help or do nothing they need to go. Packs there bags and put them on the next ship south.
 
HMP said:
Preach it, brother.
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What are these American values we all supposedly have? I didn't get that memo. American citizens supposedly have some legal rights, but thise have pretty much been wiped out at this point so I'm thinking we all don't really share the same values.
 
Perfect. Shortly, you will be contacted by someone with surprisingly deep pockets to help carry out a plan to eradicate the vile ones from our midst. And when it is discovered who you are, we here will be vilified, blamed, rediculed and persecuted, because we heard you talk about it a did nothing to stop you.
 
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CZfool68 said:
If he knew why not? Do you really think all the so-called peaceful neighbors and Mosque buddies don't know what's goingnon? Insurgencies can't succeed without help from the populace. If people know what is going on and either help or do nothing they need to go. Packs there bags and put them on the next ship south.
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But that's not what you said originally.
Originally it was if their brother does it then they get sent out...after all of their property is seized.

Now, if they know what is going to happen then that'd make them an accessory, correct?
Then, yes, they should get in trouble if they privy to information about an attack.

But then youre talking about deporting citizens (remember, you said he was born here). Hell, why not do that with all the bad folks we have - rapist, repeat offenders, pedophiles etc
 
Chiknchick said:
Guns don't stop home invasions, rape or violent crime here why would you think it would be a miracle cure anywhere else?
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You are thoroughly disconnected from reality.

There are literally 10's of thousands of cases every year in this country where a good guy with a firearm stops a crime or prevents a crime from happening. I personally stopped a home invasion/assault by three men back in 1982 with a handgun at an apartment in Greenville NC. It happens all too often and good guys with guns keep you safer than law enforcement for the most part who usually only show up after the crime in time to unroll the yellow tape.

http://www.gunowners.org/sk0802htm.htm

http://www.gunfacts.info/gun-control-myths/crime-and-guns/
 
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There's a good book out by Douglas Murray "The Strange Death of Europe." Author was on Tucker Carlson tonight. Some seminars last two weeks in London about the attacks. The attendees are spending much of their time asking about the British foreign policy as a real problem. Maybe that surprises noone here. But it shows they have lost the war at this point.

The author's surveys in the UK found over half of Muslim families would not report a relative that is being radicalized.
 
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JimB said:
Sorry if I've given you this impression, it isn't that I'm supportive of them, it's that I'm opposed to so-called solutions that we redefine American values and are unlikely to be successful.
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I think I just caught up with everything since my last reading.

JimB points out something that is right, smack-dab on spot here.

This is the DoD definition of terrorism: "the calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological."

The ultimate goal of terrorism is to bring a society to its knees by causing that society to collapse in upon itself over the threat of terrorism.

For the price of a few dollars and some willing sacrificial idiots, HUGE returns can be made in comparison to traditional uses of force against an enemy.

What kinds of changes? Gee, what indeed?

How 'bout the "Patriot Act"? We ALLOWED our own government to institute Orwellian laws right and left through just this act alone.

How 'bout all the TSA bullsh*t? We ALLOWED the government to step in and mandate prostate exams, colonoscopy exams, PAP smears, nude body exam machines, and more just to fly from point A to point B.

How 'bout the ever increasing militarization of our police forces?


Now let's take this to London:

May: I’ll rip up human rights laws that impede new terror legislation

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...-legislation/ar-BBCaRyG?li=BBnb7Kz&OCID=HPDHP

AWESOME! In addition to all the other things the UK has going for its nanny state, now they want to deliberately circumvent their own "human rights" laws. Does this sound familiar? Wanna bet we see them passing their own "Patriot Act"?


JimB has a valid point...we can't win by allowing terrorists to force us to change the foundation our societies are built upon. If we do...WE'VE ALREADY LOST.

We're losing the battle on terrorism through various means...and this is one of them.

Kill a terrorist? Good. Kill an "innocent"? More terrorists.

We keep futzing around in the Middle East without an understanding that we're NOT dealing with "nations"...we're dealing with TRIBAL FACTIONS...and they all hate each other. There is no unity between the tribal factions, outside of the fact that they're all "Muslim" and everybody outside them is an infidel. They'll happily slaughter each other, as they have been for centuries, and they'll be even happier to take our money/arms to continue doing so while also turning against the infidels supporting them in the process.

We need to stop that sh*t.


Terrorists need to know that their targets aren't "soft" targets. They don't get to know this when they see their target's societies are acting and reacting like victims.
 
RetiredUSNChief said:
I think I just caught up with everything since my last reading.

JimB points out something that is right, smack-dab on spot here.

This is the DoD definition of terrorism: "the calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological."

The ultimate goal of terrorism is to bring a society to its knees by causing that society to collapse in upon itself over the threat of terrorism.

For the price of a few dollars and some willing sacrificial idiots, HUGE returns can be made in comparison to traditional uses of force against an enemy.

What kinds of changes? Gee, what indeed?

How 'bout the "Patriot Act"? We ALLOWED our own government to institute Orwellian laws right and left through just this act alone.

How 'bout all the TSA bullsh*t? We ALLOWED the government to step in and mandate prostate exams, colonoscopy exams, PAP smears, nude body exam machines, and more just to fly from point A to point B.

How 'bout the ever increasing militarization of our police forces?


Now let's take this to London:

May: I’ll rip up human rights laws that impede new terror legislation

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...-legislation/ar-BBCaRyG?li=BBnb7Kz&OCID=HPDHP

AWESOME! In addition to all the other things the UK has going for its nanny state, now they want to deliberately circumvent their own "human rights" laws. Does this sound familiar? Wanna bet we see them passing their own "Patriot Act"?


JimB has a valid point...we can't win by allowing terrorists to force us to change the foundation our societies are built upon. If we do...WE'VE ALREADY LOST.

We're losing the battle on terrorism through various means...and this is one of them.

Kill a terrorist? Good. Kill an "innocent"? More terrorists.

We keep futzing around in the Middle East without an understanding that we're NOT dealing with "nations"...we're dealing with TRIBAL FACTIONS...and they all hate each other. There is no unity between the tribal factions, outside of the fact that they're all "Muslim" and everybody outside them is an infidel. They'll happily slaughter each other, as they have been for centuries, and they'll be even happier to take our money/arms to continue doing so while also turning against the infidels supporting them in the process.

We need to stop that sh*t.

Terrorists need to know that their targets aren't "soft" targets. They don't get to know this when they see their target's societies are acting and reacting like victims.
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There is a lot of truth there, but what do you want to do about it? I am 100% against overseas intervention unless we are directly threatened, and just as against the patriot act and rest of our overbearing surveillance nanny state.

Other than non-intervention overseas, which will help but not solve the problem, and encouraging Americans to be armed, how do you want to fight it? If we can't actually fight them proactively here, or there, what is left but to clean up the messes?

Given that Islam declares itself to be an enemy of non-Muslims and non-Sharia states, are not all professing Muslims enemy combatants? Is there a secret "Quran-lite" that the peaceful ones believe?

Seriously, what is the answer other than shining a bright light on what Islam teaches, and confronting those beliefs as incompatible with freedom and democracy?
 
drypowder said:
Nursery worker is left with broken ribs and needing stitches after she was punched and kicked to the ground and slashed with a Stanley knife by three girls shouting 'Allah will get you'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...stabbed-three-women-London.html#ixzz4jKskGRyT
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"She was attacked from behind and then stabbed in the arm as her assailants chanted 'Allah', however police are not treating it as a terrorist incident."

PM May is in an election tomorrow for her future. Of course this is not a terror event. But I think she lost her office with the attack last week amid all the attackers murdering while being on a watch list.
 
How about the terrorist attack in Iran today. 12 people dead and they blamed Saudi Arabia and America, then Isis takes responsibility.
 
Cowboy said:
How about the terrorist attack in Iran today. 12 people dead and they blamed Saudi Arabia and America, then Isis takes responsibility.
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I thought they blamed SA for funding ISIS (which is true; and it's true that ISIS is in many ways US.gov's child), not for directly sending Saudi operatives to carry out the attack.

Iran has probably been the largest player in the fight against ISIS, both in Iraq and Syria. Not surprising that ISIS would try to hit back on Iran's turf.
 
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The surveillance video of when the Police took down the three attackers in London has been released. The chaos factor is high.

The damn video will not embed properly. This is the link to Live leak

Looks like one of the responding officers damn near got stabbed (lower right side of video) and had a roll around with one of the two in the red circles. Orientation of the video it such that this photo was taken from the spot in the upper left side of video. :
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drypowder said:
I thought they blamed SA for funding ISIS (which is true; and it's true that ISIS is in many ways US.gov's child), not for directly sending Saudi operatives to carry out the attack.

Iran has probably been the largest player in the fight against ISIS, both in Iraq and Syria. Not surprising that ISIS would try to hit back on Iran's turf.
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Probably I just skimmed the article.
 
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