The Garands are Coming!

Which begs the question: why are they not competition correct?
Probably for the same reason that all WW2 era NON-US semi-autos are only allowed to compete in the "vintage" sniper event... if you try and compete WITHOUT a scope against the "vintage" rifles it's not allowed as ONLY bolt guns are allowed in "vintage"..but yet the semis are allowed in the "vintage sniper". So the ONLY category you can shoot a "vintage" semi is in the "MODERN" category....which is basically an AR15 match (lite) competition...

I proposed a rule change to allow vintage semis to shoot in the same category as the vintage bolt guns and any 5.56,7.62x51 and 7.62x39 cal rifle fell into the "modern" category.

I'm one of the oddball types..I want to compete with the weird stuff...it's kinda weird seeing my 60yr old semi listed as "modern" while everyone else on the line has AR "variants" that are scoped and tricked and just meet the "rules".

My petition to the rules committee had no effect..they chose not to change any of those rules this year even though they told me LOTS of people had mentioned similar issues....I'll try again next year.
 
Probably for the same reason that all WW2 era NON-US semi-autos are only allowed to compete in the "vintage" sniper event... if you try and compete WITHOUT a scope against the "vintage" rifles it's not allowed as ONLY bolt guns are allowed in "vintage"..but yet the semis are allowed in the "vintage sniper". So the ONLY category you can shoot a "vintage" semi is in the "MODERN" category....which is basically an AR15 match (lite) competition...

I proposed a rule change to allow vintage semis to shoot in the same category as the vintage bolt guns and any 5.56,7.62x51 and 7.62x39 cal rifle fell into the "modern" category.

I'm one of the oddball types..I want to compete with the weird stuff...it's kinda weird seeing my 60yr old semi listed as "modern" while everyone else on the line has AR "variants" that are scoped and tricked and just meet the "rules".

My petition to the rules committee had no effect..they chose not to change any of those rules this year even though they told me LOTS of people had mentioned similar issues....I'll try again next year.

I do believe those who write the rules for those competitions base their decisions in what they see on movies and their own image of the world instead of reality. I do believe in their mind, US created the semiauto gas-operated rifle, and was the only nation to arm their soldiers with such rifles in any significant numbers in WWII. And were the first to do so. In their minds, the RSC/FSA 1917/1918 did not exist (or it was but a bad copy of a Garand because the only way the French could do a semiauto was by copying US designs), the Mondragon is hallucination caused by too much Tequila and some rotten Tacos, the Germans only made 4 G41s and 14 G43s, and the Soviets 2 SVT (one 38 and one 40) because being a nation of illiterate monkeys if they cannot build something with dried poo and rocks they cannot build it. Therefore, the only semiauto up to the end of WWII is the M1 Garand.

About the 7.62x39 as we know today, I would argue the caliber should be fair game for WWII since it was created during that conflict as the evolution of the M43 cartridge and used with the RPD machine gun. http://modernfirearms.net/en/milita...s/russia-self-loading-rifles/simonov-sks-eng/ claims SKS prototypes were deployed against the Germans, and Monetchikov claims some were issued in the 1st Byelrussian front in 1944.

And let's not forget the Sudayev rifle

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I don't know whether they are competition correct or not. Historically there were no 7.62 X 51mm Garands used in WWII that I am aware of. They may be fine for Camp Perry matches and others.
 
"Competition correct" can mean a few things, depending on what you're referring to. CMP rules can be a minefield.

The USN Mk 2 Mod 0/1 rifles (ie - USN 7.62mm Garand) are legal for the JCG matches in the UNLIMITED class (but not AS-ISSUED class), Modern Military matches and also the National Trophy matches (President's 100, NTI, NTT, NTIT).
 
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"Competition correct" can mean a few things, depending on what you're referring to. CMP rules can be a minefield.

The USN Mk 2 Mod 0/1 rifles (ie - USN 7.62mm Garand) are legal for the JCG matches in the UNLIMITED class (but not AS-ISSUED class), Modern Military matches and also the National Trophy matches (President's 100, NTI, NTT, NTIT).
Correct...a real minefield... same rules that require the 1941 SVT to compete against a 2018 AR15. But the M1941 can compete against the M1. Makes no sense...

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Add into the fact that service rifle definitions have given us a rifle that is far departed from the word "service" AND we have to deal with NRA rules... it will make your head spin trying to keep it all straight as a match director.

But I love the sport so...
 
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Add into the fact that service rifle definitions have given us a rifle that is far departed from the word "service" AND we have to deal with NRA rules... it will make your head spin trying to keep it all straight as a match director.

But I love the sport so...
Yeah me too...

mumble grumble....(goes to reload practice ammo for Butner)...mumble grumble "damn CMP"...mumble grumble....
 
...and I was all set to take my "service" rifle up and shoot the MR match next weekend. Now my wife is out of town and there goes that plan. Maybe the Polar Bear match the following weekend.
 
Looks like in addition to the shipment from the Philippines there are also 13,000 coming from Turkey.



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