The "home invasion" tag finally drops here

bigfelipe said:
Home invasion isn't really a thing... There's always a connection...
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Hence, my slightly sarcastic title.

My current neighbor is a former deputy. He said it's usually about at least one of three things; drugs, money, or wimmings.
 
kcult said:
Hence, my slightly sarcastic title.

My current neighbor is a former deputy. He said it's usually about at least one of three things; drugs, money, or wimmings.
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There's a shortage of all three at my house.
 
What are wimmings? Pretty sure I don't have any, just want to be sure.
 
bigfelipe said:
Home invasion isn't really a thing... There's always a connection...
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I used to think like this until that story up in Connecticut several years ago where two useless scumbags followed a Dr.'s wife home from the grocery store and then waited until later and broke in the house, tied up the Dr. in the basement after beating him senseless with a baseball bat, tying his two daughters to their beds, sexually assaulting them while the other drove the wife to the bank to withdraw money, raped the wife when they returned, and then they poured gasoline all over the two young girls while they were strapped to their beds and set them on fire while they were alive and conscious.

When it was all over and the investigators forensically inspected the crime scene, they found a shocking find in one of the girl's bedroom. The older girl's restraints had burned through allowing her to get loose from her bed while on fire and they found her on the floor several feet from the bed. They knew she had walked herself to that spot before collapsing because they found burnt skin embedded footprints leading from the bed to her body.

While in most cases, these home invasions usually do involve some criminal element related to the homeowner(s), it isn't always the case and numerous violent examples can be cited from the last several years. I just picked the Connecticut story because it stood out in my mind.

Because of that and other similar stories, I no longer assume that my family and myself are automatically safe in our house just because we know we are law-abiding citizens.
 
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Qball said:
I used to think like this until that story up in Connecticut several years ago where two useless scumbags followed a Dr.'s wife home from the grocery store and then waited until later and broke in the house, tied up the Dr. in the basement after beating him senseless with a baseball bat, tying his two daughters to their beds, sexually assaulting them while the other drove the wife to the bank to withdraw money, raped the wife when they returned, and then they poured gasoline all over the two young girls while they were strapped to their beds and set them on fire while they were alive and conscious.

When it was all over and the investigators forensically inspected the crime scene, they found a shocking find in one of the girl's bedroom. The older girl's restraints had burned through allowing her to get loose from her bed while on fire and they found her on the floor several feet from the bed. They knew she had walked herself to that spot before collapsing because they found burnt skin embedded footprints leading from the bed to her body.

While in most cases, these home invasions usually do involve some criminal element related to the homeowner(s), it isn't always the case and numerous violent examples can be cited from the last several years. I just picked the Connecticut story because it stood out in my mind.

Because of that and other similar stories, I no longer assume that my family and myself are automatically safe in our house just because we know we are law-abiding citizens.
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Sure. It happens. People win the lottery too. Probably have a better chance of hitting the lotto if you aren't a scumbag though. It's not a realistic enough concern to model your life around... Paranoia will destroy ya...
 
I wasliving in CT during the trial for the Petit family murders.
They lived in an upscale neighborhood that was considered "safe".
The trial was covered in depth for obvious reasons. I often traveled to Cheshire (the town they lived in)
for business. It was an eerie feeling. This case and other similar ones has made me aware that home invasion can happen anywhere, at any time. If someone enters my home uninvited, he is surely considered a serious risk to me and my family.
 
BatteryOaksBilly said:
I have been broken into while at home by 3 miscreants. I have told this tale before, so Not again. We left every Friday to go out of town. This time we didn't. It won't be how you think or plan for. So plan and train for many outcomes. It will change your life.
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How did it turn out for said miscreaants?
 
bigfelipe said:
Sure. It happens. People win the lottery too. Probably have a better chance of hitting the lotto if you aren't a scumbag though. It's not a realistic enough concern to model your life around... Paranoia will destroy ya...
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Nah. I'm not paranoid. I just like to be prepared. Better safe than sorry is the way I look at it.

I certainly saw your point and I do agree. The overwhelming majority of the time these incidents involve perps and victims that have a criminal connection.

I merely meant to convey that prior to around 2008, my firearms were locked away in a way that I could not even hope to defend my household because of thinking "it could never happen to us".

Not anymore.
 
Qball said:
I used to think like this until that story up in Connecticut several years ago where two useless scumbags followed a Dr.'s wife home from the grocery store and then waited until later and broke in the house, tied up the Dr. in the basement after beating him senseless with a baseball bat, tying his two daughters to their beds, sexually assaulting them while the other drove the wife to the bank to withdraw money, raped the wife when they returned, and then they poured gasoline all over the two young girls while they were strapped to their beds and set them on fire while they were alive and conscious.

When it was all over and the investigators forensically inspected the crime scene, they found a shocking find in one of the girl's bedroom. The older girl's restraints had burned through allowing her to get loose from her bed while on fire and they found her on the floor several feet from the bed. They knew she had walked herself to that spot before collapsing because they found burnt skin embedded footprints leading from the bed to her body.

While in most cases, these home invasions usually do involve some criminal element related to the homeowner(s), it isn't always the case and numerous violent examples can be cited from the last several years. I just picked the Connecticut story because it stood out in my mind.

Because of that and other similar stories, I no longer assume that my family and myself are automatically safe in our house just because we know we are law-abiding citizens.
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Finding one case that doesn't fit a pattern doesn't disprove the pattern.
 
J R Green said:
Finding one case that doesn't fit a pattern doesn't disprove the pattern.
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I don't disagree at all. I should have worded my post a little differently. I really meant, and the first sentence in my first post wasn't directed at @bigfelipe , that I used to go to bed at night with my family while leaving all of my firearms locked away and out of immediate reach.

I used to think doing so was fine and safe based on the slim chance of getting targeted.

Btw, in 2000 while my wife was pregnant with our son, our first house was targeted in the middle of the day by numerous 17 -20 year olds. They tried to get our back windows open but couldn't because they were painted shut.

My wife was just across the street at a neighbor's house. They ended up breaking the inner pane of one window while using their feet to try to raise it open while they were lying on the floor of our deck.

They broke into our next door neighbor's house. They later got busted when they targeted a High Point police officer's house when his armed wife was home. She held at least one at gun point until the police got there. They rounded up the others later.

They probably were only after stuff to steal but whose to say it couldn't have spiraled down into something more sinister?
 
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Once you, or someone you care about has a home invasion, you will not care one whit about patterns or statistics. Just because you or your spouse don't have drug, womyn, or debt issues with the wrong people doesn't mean someone close to you, maybe living in your house, doesn't. Teenagers, young adults? That’s right.
 
BatteryOaksBilly said:
I have been broken into while at home by 3 miscreants. I have told this tale before, so Not again. We left every Friday to go out of town. This time we didn't. It won't be how you think or plan for. So plan and train for many outcomes. It will change your life.
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That's what that smell was coming from behind the tires.
 
ncengravers said:
Not sure we are talking about the same things
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You may want to delete your post here and pretend you posted it downstairs in the basement.
 
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Qball said:
. The overwhelming majority of the time these incidents involve perps and victims that have a criminal connection.
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Sorry folks ,I can't remember where I saw this info but it was attributed to the U.S. Criminal Justice Department.....90+% of every person shot in the U.S. had a previous record somewhere in Law Enforcement.

While I realize that's kind of a broad statement, if correct, mostly trouble makers shooting trouble makers.
 
Let me say that I recognize the inherent statistical unlikelihood of an outright random kicking in of your door at four AM.

That said, and I’ll repeat, once it happens to you or someone you love, you'll find no comfort in the fact that it must have been somewhat predictable because of any of the aforementioned causes or reasons.

It hasn’t happened to me, but I have cleaned up the crime scene of someone I care very much about, with 2-3 guns on my person, looking over my shoulder wondering if the perps might come back while trying to help the victim move out of their apartment.
 
Drugs probably play a large role in much of the crime out there because people will do about anything for them or for money to get them. The victims do not have to have drugs in the house or do not have to be known for having lots of money. Anything in a random house that can be turned into money works just fine, and most houses have something that can be taken and turned into money. Any house, therefore, can be a target for a home invasion. Nobody is really safe.
 
If people find out that you keep a large amount of cash on hand, I believe you are just as likely to be home invaded as the other statistically prevalent home innvasion victims. Follow the money. They are going to home invade where they think they can score. It's just that other bad guys are the ones that usually have the cash and drugs and flaunt it, making themselves targets.
If you're seen as a good target with potential bounty to be had, you're on someone's target list.
 
fieldgrade said:
Once you, or someone you care about has a home invasion, you will not care one whit about patterns or statistics. Just because you or your spouse don't have drug, womyn, or debt issues with the wrong people doesn't mean someone close to you, maybe living in your house, doesn't. Teenagers, young adults? That’s right.
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When I was in college, my then GF now wife, was home with a broken leg in the upstairs of the house we shared with a friend who lived downstairs with his toddler son. She heard pounding at the front door and thought Ralph had locked himself out without his keys. She hobbled down the stairs to see two big black guys in the window. They saw her and started trying to kick the door down. She got back upstairs, grabbed a kitchen knife, and locked herself in a bedroom.

As luck would have it, I had gone to an evening class and for some odd reason I did something I had never done before. We had a monitored alarm system in the house and I bypassed the upstairs motion sensors and set the rest of the system on active when I left. As she got into the bedroom the alarm siren went off. They were in the house.

The alarm company called and asked if she wanted the cops called. She said yes, there are intruders in my house right now. The house was in the city, just in the edge of university property. Response time 45 minutes. How much you want to bet the called it in as a burglar alarm? Lynn should have called the cops herself but she was in a state of panic and didn’t.

What had happened in the end was they tried the front door, but that solid old true 2x4 and oak door and frame held without damage, so they tried the back door. They cracked it and the frame but it held. They pushed in a window AC that wasn’t secured :rolleyes: and came in the window. As they hit the living room they tripped the alsrm by motion sensor and went right back out the window.

Now, it happened to us. No drugs, no money (we ate ketchup sandwiches), no drugs. Just two bad dudes probably on drugs saw a small white girl and decided they wanted her ass, or maybe something in the front, and we’re going to break in to get it.
 
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