I’m guessing the gunbroker seller doesn’t know what he is listing or copypasta’d it incorrectly, the pictured pistol has grip screws, when’s the last time you saw a polymer framed pistol with grip screws?
The New Hudson H9
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Ruger 22/45?
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Too expensive.
This is cool.
I love to see new innovations and companies come along.
Gun looks great. The low bore access is super nice. Sounds like the trigger is crisp with short reset.
Man it would be great to see this thing go far.
I love to see new innovations and companies come along.
Gun looks great. The low bore access is super nice. Sounds like the trigger is crisp with short reset.
Man it would be great to see this thing go far.
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I knew there was a reason I didn’t need one of those cheap plastic pieces of junk lol.
CZ .22 FTW!
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My European plastic was made in Georgia and sometimes mass produced ends up a whole lot better than “semi-custom” (what exactly does that mean anyway? It’s custom fitted or it’s not). I get a lot of people are excited because they know the people involved in this gun but until it’s out and proven reliable, nobody can say whether it is or is not overpriced. Personally I’m not spending $1200 to be a guinea pig. That’s a lot easier to do at the $500 range when it’s from a known manufacturer. If this was a Kel-tec there’s not a single person in this thread that wouldn’t balk at the price at least a little bit.
*edit* don’t get me wrong, it’s definitely interesting and may be revolutionary but let’s hold off talking about how great it is until it’s more than something that was vaporware until a few weeks ago.
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I’m not, it just seems there’s a lot of people upset that others think it’s expensive just because they know a guy or know a guy that knows a guy. There’s an awful lot of emotional attachment to this gun for some people (not just here but elsewhere also).
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As far as the "semi-custom" goes... Nah, it's not that nice. Nothing wrong with it but I didn't see or feel anything exceptional about pistol. That is comparing it to other steel/aluminum pistols such as CZs and 1911s.
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I picked it up Friday. I’ve been sick all weekend so no chance to do anything with it yet but I will try to go shoot it this week, take some pics and post a review.
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Ok, I finally got a chance to shoot the Hudson yesterday. I didn’t have a lot of time so I took it over to a buddies back yard range and we each lit off 3 mags. But let me start this review with the presentation, talk about the unique feature, then the feel of the gun and finally the recoil and accuracy as well as an issue I found.
The box is really cool. It has a magnetic strip in the flap that holds it closed. It’s almost a presentation box.
Once open there are 2 levels. Take the gun out, remove the foam and the level below contains 2 spare mags (3 mags in all) as well as the manual and mandatory gun cable lock.
This image doesn’t do the site justice. It’s fiber optic and glows bright and clear. With the naked eye and not a camera lens it practically fills the rear site completely so there is no guessing whether or not your spacing is centered in the rear site or not.
The unique lowered bore access gives you plenty or real estate for proper grip. This gun feels amazing in the hand. It’s not just the weight of the steel frame but the 1911 styled grip as well as that extra real estate.
These next to pictures show the trigger safety. I will admit that at first it felt awkward. The hinge is on the bottom so it rolls back differently than every other trigger safety. But after a few dry fires I honestly thought “Man they should all function this way”.
And here it is depressed. There is absolutely no trigger take up once the safety is depressed. I didn’t put a scale on it but I would put the trigger pull between 3.5-4 lbs and the break is extremely clean and crisp. Follow up shots from reset are literally a dream trigger pull.
At first I thought the safety depress was trigger creep. It doesn’t just lay flat like a Glock trigger safety. It’s spring loaded. But once I realized that it was easy to determine when the safety was fully set and then squeeze to fire.
Shooting this gun is, in a word, odd. But that’s not a bad thing. It just feels different than any other gun I’ve ever fired. Usually you get a lot of muzzle flip and you feel the recoil in your wrist and forearm. While there is still some muzzle flip you feel the recoil of this gun in the meat of your hand. Like I said it’s odd when you’ve never felt that before.
The angled 1911 grip, along with the lowered bore axis, not only reduce the muzzle flip by about 85% but the angle of the grip forces that small flip back into aim during the recoil. Again, an odd feeling.
What that meant in terms of aiming for a follow up shot is that you didn’t have to. I have never fired any pistol where I didn’t have to adjust my front site a little for a follow up shot until now. It was just right there, dead on between the rear site as soon as the recoil was finished.
We were shooting from about 10 yards and this gun is balls accurate with 147 grain ball Ammo (all I had at the time). We both put 95% of our shots in the X ring.
With his last three shots my buddy shifted his aim to the top corner and cloverleafed his last 3 shots. He was instantly in love saying “I’ve never done that with a handgun before”.
The second round I had a FTF but not another problem after that. I chalked it up to either break in or because the recoil was so different I wasn’t holding the gun just right. Limp wristing if you will but really just tension in the wrist in the wrong place.
Now for the final issue. I noticed when changing mags that if I didn’t insert it just right it would hang up on something inside the magwell, leaving an inch hanging out of the gun. Upon inspection I noticed a metal band, all the way where the mag meets the receiver on the back side of the magwell wasn’t flush.
I contacted Hudson and they were very cool about it. Said it was a trigger stirrup and I could send the gun back for repair or they would send me a new stirrup.
Since I know a guy I called him and gave him a hard time. He’s going to bring me a replacement and install it.
Overall I am really impressed with this gun. While I personally think it’s worth the sticker price I believe that most people won’t think so simply because there a new company. I think if they can get the price down to $999.99 they’ll really take off. Once you break a thousand dollars on sticker price I think you have a hard time convincing people it’s worth it unless you’re talking custom work.
But what I can tell you from shooting and looking at this gun the action is as good as any custom 1911 I’ve ever fired. It is mated perfectly (well minus that trigger stirrup lol).
The box is really cool. It has a magnetic strip in the flap that holds it closed. It’s almost a presentation box.
Once open there are 2 levels. Take the gun out, remove the foam and the level below contains 2 spare mags (3 mags in all) as well as the manual and mandatory gun cable lock.
This image doesn’t do the site justice. It’s fiber optic and glows bright and clear. With the naked eye and not a camera lens it practically fills the rear site completely so there is no guessing whether or not your spacing is centered in the rear site or not.
The unique lowered bore access gives you plenty or real estate for proper grip. This gun feels amazing in the hand. It’s not just the weight of the steel frame but the 1911 styled grip as well as that extra real estate.
These next to pictures show the trigger safety. I will admit that at first it felt awkward. The hinge is on the bottom so it rolls back differently than every other trigger safety. But after a few dry fires I honestly thought “Man they should all function this way”.
And here it is depressed. There is absolutely no trigger take up once the safety is depressed. I didn’t put a scale on it but I would put the trigger pull between 3.5-4 lbs and the break is extremely clean and crisp. Follow up shots from reset are literally a dream trigger pull.
At first I thought the safety depress was trigger creep. It doesn’t just lay flat like a Glock trigger safety. It’s spring loaded. But once I realized that it was easy to determine when the safety was fully set and then squeeze to fire.
Shooting this gun is, in a word, odd. But that’s not a bad thing. It just feels different than any other gun I’ve ever fired. Usually you get a lot of muzzle flip and you feel the recoil in your wrist and forearm. While there is still some muzzle flip you feel the recoil of this gun in the meat of your hand. Like I said it’s odd when you’ve never felt that before.
The angled 1911 grip, along with the lowered bore axis, not only reduce the muzzle flip by about 85% but the angle of the grip forces that small flip back into aim during the recoil. Again, an odd feeling.
What that meant in terms of aiming for a follow up shot is that you didn’t have to. I have never fired any pistol where I didn’t have to adjust my front site a little for a follow up shot until now. It was just right there, dead on between the rear site as soon as the recoil was finished.
We were shooting from about 10 yards and this gun is balls accurate with 147 grain ball Ammo (all I had at the time). We both put 95% of our shots in the X ring.
With his last three shots my buddy shifted his aim to the top corner and cloverleafed his last 3 shots. He was instantly in love saying “I’ve never done that with a handgun before”.
The second round I had a FTF but not another problem after that. I chalked it up to either break in or because the recoil was so different I wasn’t holding the gun just right. Limp wristing if you will but really just tension in the wrist in the wrong place.
Now for the final issue. I noticed when changing mags that if I didn’t insert it just right it would hang up on something inside the magwell, leaving an inch hanging out of the gun. Upon inspection I noticed a metal band, all the way where the mag meets the receiver on the back side of the magwell wasn’t flush.
I contacted Hudson and they were very cool about it. Said it was a trigger stirrup and I could send the gun back for repair or they would send me a new stirrup.
Since I know a guy I called him and gave him a hard time. He’s going to bring me a replacement and install it.
Overall I am really impressed with this gun. While I personally think it’s worth the sticker price I believe that most people won’t think so simply because there a new company. I think if they can get the price down to $999.99 they’ll really take off. Once you break a thousand dollars on sticker price I think you have a hard time convincing people it’s worth it unless you’re talking custom work.
But what I can tell you from shooting and looking at this gun the action is as good as any custom 1911 I’ve ever fired. It is mated perfectly (well minus that trigger stirrup lol).
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Not a whole lot to see. The guide rod and spring are retained in the lower for normal field stripping. The pieces you see are as far as the manual goes for disassembly. Upper, lower and the barrel.
Your description of the recoil and accuracy reminds me of a CZ SP-01 or 9mm 1911. The heavy, metal framed 9mms are just so darn accurate and have almost no muzzle flip. Add a good trigger and it makes an average shooter look special.
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Thanks! Your second and third photos show exactly what I wanted to see.
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Picture #4, the one with your big ol hairy hand, I am surprised to see daylight between the sights and the slide. With a pistol with that price tag, I'd expect a better fit. And, I agree with you on the part about when you pass a magic number in cost, it changes the demographic of the buyer.
Thanks. That was interesting. Keep thinking about one of those.
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I’m going with, like me, they really liked the movie Hudson Hawk and got sick and tired of everyone else telling them it’s a crap movie and decided the hell with it, I’m naming my company after that awesome movie.
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Right on. Works for me.
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Good eye!!! I didn’t see it til you mentioned it
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Bore height is the same as a 1911. It’s the bore axis that was lowered by lowering the recoil spring.
If you look at second set of pictures you’ll see in the front pic of the slide how much lower the recoil spring is. I’d say it’s a good 1/2 inch or better lower.
I got to mess with this pistol in a parking lot the other day. I didn't get to shoot it, but it did feel very tight, slide fit really well on the rails, and felt good in the hand. As Chad mentioned, the trigger takes getting used to, with the pivot on the bottom. But it had a great break, and super short reset. I could see a couple double taps if you were used to trapping the trigger until you got used to it.
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Bore height would be the position of the barrel. So like in most guns it’s in about the same place. However certain guns have a higher bore height compared to your grip like the walther PPS.
Then there are guns like the chiappa revolver that fire out of the bottom cylinder so they have a very low bore height.
Bore axis would be the plane that the barrel and the recoil spring travel on so this one is lower.
That’s the way I understand it.
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Some rear sights are designed to be installed floating like that.
For example, Dawson sights for CZs specifically call for the sight to be fitted with space between the slide and the rear notch wing. Only contact is within the dovetail. Could be the same thing here possibly.
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I think, for the most part, his review is accurate.
I will say that for someone who has put as many rounds down range as he has, the recoil management of the lowered bore axis is most likely negligible.
For me it was far more noticeable.
While it is a new design it isn’t exactly reinventing the wheel.
You can by a 1911 or a striker fire and get similar characteristics. But this platform combines them which I do like.
I will say that for someone who has put as many rounds down range as he has, the recoil management of the lowered bore axis is most likely negligible.
For me it was far more noticeable.
While it is a new design it isn’t exactly reinventing the wheel.
You can by a 1911 or a striker fire and get similar characteristics. But this platform combines them which I do like.
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I was left wondering how much of the reduction in what he called "muzzle flip" was thanks to the innovative design or just the weight/mass of the gun itself.
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Good question. I don’t have a scientific answer but here goes.
Obviously weight is a factor in both felt recoil and muzzle flip.
Grip design also plays a factor in how it distributes the recoil.
The 1911 design and weight are why I like 1911’s as they have far less felt recoil than lighter weapons and the angle of the grip helps to control muzzle flip.
I’ve shot plenty of 1911’s in 45 and a few in 9mm and like them both.
But the Hudson’s muzzleflip is (best guess) about 50% less than an 1911 in 9mm. At least that’s what it felt like to me.
The lowered bore axis combined with the weight and the grip all work in conjunction with one another.