The NRA Says It’s in Deep Financial Trouble, May Be ‘Unable to Exist’

First the source, Rolling Stone, sucks! Second, the NRA for years has been saying “we need more to fight for you” type thing ... I tend to think they are spending more but in big trouble ... I’d have to see some real numbers.

If old Lapierre didn’t make like $5 million a year it would help ... if they ran lean and mean like a The GOA and GRNC styles they’d have nice war chest.
 
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Fighting court battles cost MONEY.... And it seems they'll go to the Clerk at the drop of a hat, furnish the hat and knock it out of your hand. Maybe they need to start picking their court battles more carefully.....
 
I agree. By time this gets resolved, the solvency of the organization could be irreparably damaged.
 
If old Lapierre didn’t make like $5 million a year it would help ...

His salary is about $1m per year. The one year he made $5m was due to a required compensation payout on his retirement plan.
 
To borrow some corporate speak, they need to reinvent themselves. Totally gut their organizational structure and start over. They are losing the PR battle that all the anti gun and anti 2A forces are waging on them. Their fundraising strategy is old fashioned and stale. I dont think Olie North is going to help their situation or improve their popularity either. I hope I'm wrong.
 
To borrow some corporate speak, they need to reinvent themselves. Totally gut their organizational structure and start over. They are losing the PR battle that all the anti gun and anti 2A forces are waging on them. Their fundraising strategy is old fashioned and stale.

Agree completely - just hope they dont break out a rino outfit during an interview.
 
His salary is about $1m per year. The one year he made $5m was due to a required compensation payout on his retirement plan.

Maybe I am just old school, but $1m seems a litle high to me. If you believe in the cause you should be able to work for a little less. I get that he needs nice suits and maybe a plave in DC. That is expensive. But $1m is really good money. Seems to me about $500k would suffice. And if he is vasly over paid what about others? Typical of non-profits though. No profit u less you are working at the top of the food chain. Then lots of profit.
 
Maybe I am just old school, but $1m seems a litle high to me. If you believe in the cause you should be able to work for a little less. I get that he needs nice suits and maybe a plave in DC. That is expensive. But $1m is really good money. Seems to me about $500k would suffice. And if he is vasly over paid what about others? Typical of non-profits though. No profit u less you are working at the top of the food chain. Then lots of profit.
Working in the corporate world and seeing what execs make, I have no issue with his $1M salary considering the visibility of his role, power it yields, and the fact that it precludes him from ever working for any company in the future that isn't pretty right-leaning. Let's face it, there aren't many large, right-leaning companies out there.

Regardless, I don't really buy the story considering the fact that the NRA is always calling me saying the sky is falling and "this upcoming political battle is the biggest of all time and we need your money". You got my $1k membership "donation", I refuse any gifts, and that's all you'll get from me.
 
Working in the corporate world and seeing what execs make, I have no issue with his $1M salary considering the visibility of his role, power it yields, and the fact that it precludes him from ever working for any company in the future that isn't pretty right-leaning. Let's face it, there aren't many large, right-leaning companies out there.

Regardless, I don't really buy the story considering the fact that the NRA is always calling me saying the sky is falling and "this upcoming political battle is the biggest of all time and we need your money". You got my $1k membership "donation", I refuse any gifts, and that's all you'll get from me.

I agree with you on the pay thing in the corporate world, but this shouldn't be exactly a corporate job. That is probably why his is so dull and their marketing is so old school. As said above, it needs to be blown up and rebuilt. But it won't be. It will get worse and worse until another smaller, better run group overtakes if. It will happen slowly, thenall at once. And the NRA will be irrelevant.
 
The title is definitely misleading - they're having trouble finding insurance and loans because they're being blackballed by different companies.

Not that I care, I am a GOA Life Member because the NRA's mission is blurry at best. I've never liked them because they are, as someone else put it, sheisty.
 
Lawsuit rhetoric.
This ^^^^ is the real story. Lawyers making claims Cuomo and the state of New York is pressuring corporate America to not do business with the NRA. Like most supposedly non profit groups they spend beyond their means because there is no repercussions for liability. I’m not a member anymore but I do financially support GOA who also never ceases to send emails out constantly.
It’s normal for the attorneys to paint a picture of destruction. I would not worry too much about the NRA falling from grace. I don’t support the NRA anymore financially due to how they have spent people’s money. Paying Sarah Palin millions upon millions as a spokesperson was the last straw. She is an ignore clown who took election fame and turned it into becoming a millionaire along with her daughter. The NRA is preying on people much like the Republican National Committee has for three decades. Watching my dad give these two groups money like they were the saviors of the world really turned me off. Do both groups need funding? Yes they do, but how they spend easy money gathered without real world work turns my stomach. Volunteers everywhere doing the work of Italian suit guys spending like it is being printed on site.
 
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I'm sure they will be just fine; if they aren't fine I'm sure they will get smarter.
 
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This story is exactly like Dems and Repubs bringing up abortion. It riles up both bases, they both claim victory, and they get to fund rasie off the story. So Cuomo amd the Dems go to their base and say hey! See what I am doing? I am crushing the NRA. Give me more money and I'll finish them off. Then the NRA will go to its members and say, Hey! We are in trouble cause the Dems and all their buddies are cutting off our insurance and banking options. We need more money to fight them. Then there is Joe American giving money to another corrupt politician in DC. :mad:
 
More click bait fake news.

By his actions, NY Governor is interfering with a lawful 501(c)4 corporation.
 
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They probably spend 20M a year sending out junk mail, another 10M or so in crappy "free gifts". I'm sure their corporate structure ain't run very lean. Plus like someone else posted, why do they bank or do business in New York?? I'll guarantee you that are several financial institutions and insurance brokers in the South who would love to take care of their business for them.
 
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They probably spend 20M a year sending out junk mail, another 10M or so in crappy "free gifts". I'm sure their corporate structure ain't run very lean. Plus like someone else posted, why do they bank or do business in New York?? I'll guarantee you that are several financial institutions and insurance brokers in the South who would love to take care of their business for them.

Seriously. Do they think the crappy NRA gifts really drive revenue? Stop with the cheesey NRA branded gifts. Sell nice NRA branded stuff that doesn't look like crap. Find some banking and insurance deals from someplace in TX or a gun friendly state. It will make life easier if the bullets really start flying.
 
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Seriously. Do they think the crappy NRA gifts really drive revenue? Stop with the cheesey NRA branded gifts. Sell nice NRA branded stuff that doesn't look like crap. Find some banking and insurance deals from someplace in TX or a gun friendly state. It will make life easier if the bullets really start flying.

I honestly just wish they'd become as "extreme" as the Left thinks they are.

Right after Sandy Hook, they called looking for money to stop Obummer from takin' muh guns.

I politely told the guy muh gunz would be alright, that the price of taking them would be steep, and if Obama got 'em it'd be as a result of my death. "From my cold, dead hands, right?"

He waffled a bit, talked about standing to fight with my money.

I told him I'd give them $1000 and go from an annual to Lifetime membership if they publicly encouraged the resistance of all gun control by any means necessary to safeguard our Rights and Liberty. Even said I'd call them back to give it.

That's the last call I ever recieved from the NRA, even the couple years after I was still a member.

If I thought they were serious about full restoration of the Second, I'd give. But like the NAACP and racism, the NRA wants the gun control Boogeyman lurking around every corner, and will feed it from time to time to make sure it survives.
 
I honestly just wish they'd become as "extreme" as the Left thinks they are.

Right after Sandy Hook, they called looking for money to stop Obummer from takin' muh guns.

I politely told the guy muh gunz would be alright, that the price of taking them would be steep, and if Obama got 'em it'd be as a result of my death. "From my cold, dead hands, right?"

He waffled a bit, talked about standing to fight with my money.

I told him I'd give them $1000 and go from an annual to Lifetime membership if they publicly encouraged the resistance of all gun control by any means necessary to safeguard our Rights and Liberty. Even said I'd call them back to give it.

That's the last call I ever recieved from the NRA, even the couple years after I was still a member.

If I thought they were serious about full restoration of the Second, I'd give. But like the NAACP and racism, the NRA wants the gun control Boogeyman lurking around every corner, and will feed it from time to time to make sure it survives.

I think that lobbying groups, much like politicians, bet inherently worse and corrupted the bigger they get and the closer they get to DC. As much as people here give crap to GRNC and other small or less well funded groups I really think 50-100 small gun rights groups would be great. An independent de-centralized NRA in every State plus some other groups. More would be better, but 50 effective groups would be a nice start.
 
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They lost me when they endorsed Harry Reid. Harry F'n Reid for God's sake.

They also know that if we were to win total victory on all anti gun laws they would be out of a job. Much like NORML. If pot was totally legal like tomatoes then they too would be out of a job. It's a game that they get paid to play.
 
Dang! Reading this thread would lead one to believe the NRA is more dangerous to us than the likes of Hillary Clinton and the nuts in Hollywood. Go figure.
 
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I think that the NRA of today has negative brand recognition regardless of the message- without some real concerted effort to re-invent itself, I wonder about its future.

The problem the NRA has is that it allowed the media and just about everyone else in the past 20 years to define the NRA membership ( and any other pro-2A group ) as a bunch of "gun nuts". Not citizens, not families, not concerned individuals or neighbors, but "wackos". The court of public opinion ( however poorly informed) weighs heavily on these legal decisions and overcoming the massive bad PR that has gone on for years is costly.
 
The only reason I'm a member is the range I belong to requires you to be.
Ive disagreed with some of the practice's for several years, but they keep asking for money, And I keep saying no.
 
They lost me when they endorsed Harry Reid. Harry F'n Reid for God's sake.

When did they endorse Harry Reid?

On November 12, the NRA told Breitbart News there is “absolutely no scenario” in which they would endorse Senator Harry Reid (D-NV) in 2016.
Reid’s last run for office was in 2010, and even then, the NRA refused to endorse him. The NRA made clear that neither the organization nor executive vice president Wayne LaPierre endorsed Reid.

Since then—and especially since the heinous, criminal attack on Sandy Hook Elementary in December 2012—Reid’s push for gun control has only widened the chasm that existed between him and the NRA in 2010.

The NRA told Breitbart News: “Given his actions, votes, and full-throated support of the Obama-Bloomberg gun control agenda, there is absolutely no scenario where the NRA would endorse Senator Reid.”
 
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Dang! Reading this thread would lead one to believe the NRA is more dangerous to us than the likes of Hillary Clinton and the nuts in Hollywood. Go figure.

The NRA supported NFA 34, GCA 68 and gun-free school zones.

Fact.
 
The NRA supported NFA 34, GCA 68 and gun-free school zones.

Fact.

In NFA34, the NRA threw machine guns under the bus. In my limited reading it looks like they did so to save rifles and handguns. (I have not read the entire transcript of the procedings or the document itself.)
In GCA68, the NRA stopped the most restrictive section which was to have all firearms/owners registered.
Both NFA34 and GCA68 were going to be shoved down our throats, I think it was positive that someone was there to prevent legislators from doing everything they wanted.

I have not seen anything where the NRA supports gun free zones except for an incomplete tweet taken out of text. I would like to see that if you can provide a link. Thanks.
 
I have not seen anything where the NRA supports gun free zones except for an incomplete tweet taken out of text. I would like to see that if you can provide a link. Thanks.


NRA Conference, 1999 - Colorado

“We believe in absolutely gun-free, zero-tolerance, totally safe schools...that means no guns in America’s schools period, with the rare exception of law enforcement officers or trained security personnel.”

Wayne LaPierre


And this is what he said in April of this year...

“We drop our kids off at school, that are so-called gun-free zones, that are wide-open targets for any crazy madman bent on evil.


When you lose your integrity, you ain't got a damned thing left to lose.
 
NRA Conference, 1999 - Colorado

“We believe in absolutely gun-free, zero-tolerance, totally safe schools...that means no guns in America’s schools period, with the rare exception of law enforcement officers or trained security personnel.”
Wayne LaPierre
And this is what he said in April of this year...
“We drop our kids off at school, that are so-called gun-free zones, that are wide-open targets for any crazy madman bent on evil.
When you lose your integrity, you ain't got a damned thing left to lose.

I have seen that. He was talking about guns brought to school by students. The fact that O'bama said 6,000 kids were caught with a gun at school yet only 13 were prosecuted. His full message was that adults should keep weapons out of the hands of minors and that schools and localities should act swiftly to punish any student caught bringing a firearm to school.

In 2012, LaPierre called on Congress to immediately "appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every single school in this nation."
Just about a week after the deadly shooting at a Florida high school, the National Rifle Association’s vice president Wayne LaPierre delivered the group’s response: more armed guards in schools.

That being said, I think he is a poor figurehead, a horrible orator and should be replaced (and certainly not with Oliver North). The NRA has faults yet I believe they are more on our side than all the folks on the left.
 
When did they endorse Harry Reid?

On November 12, the NRA told Breitbart News there is “absolutely no scenario” in which they would endorse Senator Harry Reid (D-NV) in 2016.
Reid’s last run for office was in 2010, and even then, the NRA refused to endorse him. The NRA made clear that neither the organization nor executive vice president Wayne LaPierre endorsed Reid.

Since then—and especially since the heinous, criminal attack on Sandy Hook Elementary in December 2012—Reid’s push for gun control has only widened the chasm that existed between him and the NRA in 2010.

The NRA told Breitbart News: “Given his actions, votes, and full-throated support of the Obama-Bloomberg gun control agenda, there is absolutely no scenario where the NRA would endorse Senator Reid.”

I stand corrected. They may not have, but it looks like they were seriously considering it.

https://www.redstate.com/erick/2010/07/13/nra-openly-floats-a-harry-reid-endorsement/
 
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