Then...and now.

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I spent 20 years aboard submarines while in the U.S. Navy. I've been working on naval nuclear vessels in the shipyard since retiring from Active Duty in 2005. Which means I have over three decades combined experience in operating, maintaining, repairing, and upgrading these ships of our fine navy. And it still amazes me not only what they and their crews are capable of, but how they compare to the Navy of yesteryear.

My parents were both WWII veterans...and I once had a chance to take Dad on a three day dependents cruise when the USS Narwhal (SSN-671) did a change of home port from Charleston, SC to Norfolk, VA back in 1994. I never knew how much that three day trip aboard a nuclear submarine impressed him until weeks later, when I talked to Mom on the phone and she said that was all Dad talked about whenever one of my uncles came over for a visit.

The capabilities compared to his WWII experiences were truly phenomenal...but how many people really think about how radically our Navy has advanced over our history as a nation? I mean REALLY thought about it?

Take, for example, the USS Constitution...a 44-gun fast-frigate. Top of the line in her day when she was launched in 1797. 304 feet long, 43 feet 6 inches wide, 220 feet to top of main mast. She displaced 2,200 tons and her hull 21 inches thick.

So, how does that compare to modern vessels?

Obviously, the most extreme would be one of our supercarriers. A Nimitz class carrier is 1,092 feet long, 252 feet wide, and displaces 95,000 tons. From keel to top of the island, 24 stories tall. Capable of staying at sea effectively indefinitely, with the ability to replenish any and all supplies by air and never having to refuel for 25 years.

Submarines? The extreme there would be an Ohio class submarine. 560 feet long, 42 feet wide, and displacing 18,750 tonnes displacement submerged. Also effectively capable of staying at sea indefinitely while submerged.

44 guns? Pfft! Ship-to-ship weapons with an effective range of just under 2,000 yards.Try armaments today which can destroy entire nations more than 4,000 nautical miles away. Aircraft which have onboard guns capable of slicing through that 24 inch oak hull in strafing runs...not counting smart bombs capable of being precision guided right through a deck hatch from altitudes high enough they couldn't effectively spot the aircraft.

450 man crew? How about 5 THOUSAND aboard an aircraft carrier?

A 15 mile horizon when viewed from the crows nest? Pfft! Over-the-horizon radar, not to mention satellite imagery with literally a worldwide span.

We can navigate underwater for months on end, circumnavigate the planet at 30 + knot speeds (surfaced or submerged), communicate instantaneously, sound the depths accurately with sonar, eat/sleep/train/entertain in air conditioned or heated comfort, eat fresh foods, and more. All things not even dreamed of in 1797.

And now we're moving towards offensive weaponry with effectively unlimited range and ammunition (rail guns and lasers) within our own lifetimes.

We live with these things today and take them for granted. Yet...how many people here TRULY comprehend what it would be like to wander around aboard a warship 1,092 feet long?


Impressive?

H*ll, it's down right unimaginable fantasy in 1797.

So far advanced...and yet, maybe not quite so unimaginable. After all, the first iron clad came about a mere 62 years after the USS Constitution was launched. The Glorie, a French vessel, launched in 1859. And the British made the decision to an all armored battle fleet starting in 1861.

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"How about 5 THOUSAND aboard an aircraft carrier?"

Holy crap, I didnt realize there were that many aboard carriers!

You mentioned USS Constitution in this - My first night in Boston had me and my buddy just walking aimlessly while we catched up (he lived on the other side of the country, only saw him once a year). As we walked we just started walking along the harbor, again, not knowing where we were really going.
We rounded a corner and saw a bunch of lights, it was about 8pm or so this past summer. When we fully got around the building there she was - the USS Constitution. All lit up and looking fantastic.
It was breathtaking.

Was a small destroyer behind her, dont remember the name of it. And, unfortunately, we werent able to tour it like we did Ole Iron Sides.
 
Not joining the Navy when I had the chance as a young man is one of my regrets. I have had a good and profitable life, but believe it would have enriched my experiences ten fold. Thanks sharing and for joining.
 
Elenaidan;n94597 said:
Not joining the Navy when I had the chance as a young man is one of my regrets. I have had a good and profitable life, but believe it would have enriched my experiences ten fold. Thanks sharing and for joining.

Me too Elenaidan. Had the chance to be a Nuclear Machinist Mate. Turned it down down because at that time Submarines just wasn't my idea of fun. But looking back I regret I passed on the experience to be in the worlds greatest navy.
 
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I miss my deployment times on the gator boats...

The Spartanburg County AKA the "Spark and burn"
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I was on her last cruise in '94 then sold to Malaysia...
go figure:
Caught on fire while under repair at the dock.
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Also had some time on these:
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And even a little time in one of these..lol

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Jeremy2171 I'm glad you posted those pics. I was going to do the same and say that not only have I thought about how much things have changed but I have seen the evolution first hand.

You move from the Kearsarge to one of the gators for a couple of nights and it is a step through a time capsule. It will make you not only realize how good you have it on the newer boat but think about how guys had it in days long ago.

I even had the opportunity to spend a few nights aboard an Italian destroyer and they were even further back in time than the gators.


Chief, most people never spend any time thinking about how things were, and what you describe about the Navy holds true with so many things.

One of the most eye opening experiences for me was doing maneuvers in Albania. We came ashore at 40 mph on hovercraft and offloaded in under 5 minutes.

Coming to shore you could see all of the WWII Pill boxes from 2 man to large gun squad size, littering the beach. Thinking about how far we had come as a military power and imagining what it would have been like aboard a slow moving landing craft, coming ashore under constant fire was very sobering.
 
I was in the Navy but never "haze grey and underway." I did a couple floats with the Marines, and some of those boats in the pic above look familiar. Even the Zodiac/CRRC in the bottom (we called it the "LBS" for Little Bitty Ship).
 
Speaking of carriers and how they have evolved.

I was on the Stennis (plankowner) when I got called out to help decom the America. Going from a nuke (CVN-74) back to a conventional (CV-66) was eye opening in itself. If you've never had a chance to take off and land on a carrier while underway, you really are missing out on some fun shit... Just don't eat a big breakfast (or in my case dinner since i always worked at night) before the first time doing it.

When others would bitch about how the Stennis was awful, I just laughed and said be glad you weren't on any of her predecessors. Yeah, we had it pretty good.
 
BurnedOutGeek;n94708 said:
If you've never had a chance to take off and land on a carrier while underway, you really are missing out on some fun shit... Just don't eat a big breakfast (or in my case dinner since i always worked at night) before the first time doing it.

After I got my commission I had to teach a class on the Eisenhower. COD trap and launch, both day, both terrifying in their own, unique way.

I do wish I had done one tour afloat just to say I was a 'real sailor.'
 
Chdamn yup I agree... I left one out.. I went about this one (I think) while doing ops with the Greeks..

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We were on a 1972 dated LST (in '94) and went over to a Greek USN WW2 1944 LST...THAT was a wake up call...I think I still have a greek ballcap with the ships number on it somewhere.... need to look for that...haven't seen it in years...
 
It is interesting that mainstream media at least attempts to cover the progress of military aircraft, if only to talk about the cost, but rarely touches on how things have changed at sea. Of course everything in the air force is sexier.
 
JimB;n94980 said:
It is interesting that mainstream media at least attempts to cover the progress of military aircraft, if only to talk about the cost, but rarely touches on how things have changed at sea. Of course everything in the air force is sexier.

Not sure there is much sexier than this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6sAUHwTP4A
 
Same with the Army. When I went in in 83, I was a 13F, Forward Observer. I learned to call Artillery fire with a map and compass and a pair of bino's. Before I left the FA, we were using laser and computers and could put a 155 round thru a window at 5 miles without hitting the sills! Things have changed and most for the better. We have some high speed, low drag troops that love what they do, and do it better than us old guys did way back when.
 
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I wasnt in the Navy, but everytime I visit the USS North Carolina or the Yorktown down in Charleston I am amazed by what The Greatest Generation survived through. I usually visit these Ships during the summer months and all I here is the bitching from the visitors about how hot it is. I can only imagine what it must have been like in the South Pacific during the 1940s. Just the climate alone would "kill" most people today.

As a side note, I had an Uncle that was Coast Guard during WWII. He didnt talk about it mush at all but he did spend all of his time in the South Pacific on board big ships. He once commented on how his enlistment was a step up in living conditions from what he came from. His family were share croppers in chatham county. I imagine it was that way for a lot of our guys back then.
 
Thanks for the great prospective on the evolution of both men and machinery.
My dad was in the Navy from '53-'55 aboard a repair ship, USS DIXIE of all ships. Always said it was a step up for him, at least he got to eat three times a day and no cotton to pick.
I now have a nephew in the Navy at Charleston in nuclear school. He is supposed to be finished with school and training in June and then deployed. He has already signed up for a Submarine.
When he was home over Christmas, we took photos of him and Dad in their dress blues.Pop can still wear his. Hasn't gained a pound since '55.
Looked like not much had changed with the uniforms.
 
GoWolfpack;n94609 said:
I was wondering where you were headed with that. One of my favorite pictures from your travels.

Next time the CVN-77 is in the yard, take the port side way down to MMR2. You'll see that hatch.
 
For those who looked at that picture and laughed (I know I did), it's not really a screw-up.

The "EXIT" arrow is in the ladder ways showing which way gets you to the hanger bay. Not all ladder ways will lead out. The "NO EXIT" is on the hatch, indicating that hatch opens up into a compartment from which there is no exit off the ship. So, going up that particular ladder way you will see the EXIT arrows pointing up and around as you climb the ladders. Halfway up that ladder way is that hatch.

I took that picture because I thought it was hilarious that the "EXIT" arrow just happened to be at exactly the right place to be pointing exactly at the "NO EXIT" sign.
 
I miss my deployment times on the gator boats...

The Spartanburg County AKA the "Spark and burn"
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I was on her last cruise in '94 then sold to Malaysia...
go figure:
Caught on fire while under repair at the dock.
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Also had some time on these:
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And even a little time in one of these..lol

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Pics aren't showing...maybe it's my kindle...
 
I don't see the picture I'm sure I posted with my OP, so I edited it back in.
 
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