Thugs running buck wild in CLT

I don't follow the "unintended target" thought process of this being a justified shoot. Sure, the kid was part of the group, but was he actually laying hands and causing the threat? This is news to me that I'm not responsible for my rounds, as long as I'm fearing for my life.

Playing this out in a different scenario: my kid, walking down the other side of the street minding his own business, is shot by someone trying to defend themself. No charges filed? Or, my appropriately to this example, my kid is with a group of others, one of the group is engaged in threatening someone's life. My kid is shot instead of the threat--no charges?
 
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Not enough information to make a definative conclusion, but I think it goes without saying the dead thug is far from being innocent. While we don't know exactly what they were doing, I find it reasonable to assume, by association if for no other reason, that they were part of the group, or party, making the threat.
 
I don't follow the "unintended target" thought process of this being a justified shoot. Sure, the kid was part of the group, but was he actually laying hands and causing the threat? This is news to me that I'm not responsible for my rounds, as long as I'm fearing for my life.

Playing this out in a different scenario: my kid, walking down the other side of the street minding his own business, is shot by someone trying to defend themself. No charges filed? Or, my appropriately to this example, my kid is with a group of others, one of the group is engaged in threatening someone's life. My kid is shot instead of the threat--no charges?

Nobody declared it “a good shoot”

ETA: correction - in the video the CMPD spokesweasel called it “justified” and the shooter was in fear for his life. My bad.

The DA determined that he could not prove it was not self defense. I guess the fact that Shannon was part of the same group as the guy who earned the bullet makes it muddy enough that he can’t prosecute and be sure of a win. I really don’t think this negates the “responsible for every round” principle.
 
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My question still stands: Were any of these firearms legally purchased and legally owned? If not, then NC's stupid pistol permit system is a failure (we know this), concealed carry permits are a joke, and thugs and criminals are gonna do what they do best.
This...this damnit!!!! THIS!!!! Known locally as misdemeanor murder.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
My question still stands: Were any of these firearms legally purchased and legally owned? If not, then NC's stupid pistol permit system is a failure (we know this), concealed carry permits are a joke, and thugs and criminals are gonna do what they do best.

Does it matter?
 
Cat, if you mean would it stop it..hell no. BUT the light needs to be shined on how crazy NC handgun laws are. The last time I was in Charlotte was 5 years ago this October. We woke up Saturday morning to the news 5 people had been killed overnight. People who live in that environment are WAY tougher than me.
 
I would expect that if the shooter had two nickels to rub together that he’d lose them both in the civil case for wrongful death.

On the criminal side, when you shoot in defense and hit a bystander I don’t know what charge might apply, not murder, maybe manslaughter?
 
My question still stands: Were any of these firearms legally purchased and legally owned? If not, then NC's stupid pistol permit system is a failure (we know this), concealed carry permits are a joke, and thugs and criminals are gonna do what they do best.

And if they weren't, how come the thugs and criminals aren't in the Federal Pen doing their time for the illegal firearms possession????
I guess we just need some more gun laws.
 
I like the comment in the story that the system failed them. You have a 17 year old out in the early hours of the morning. He has a 1 year old daughter at home. He gets shot because he is running with people who decide to wave guns around for no real reason other than “don’t talk to our girls.” And the System is what failed them? Really!?! The system is to blame here?o_O


So much fail.
 
Yeah, I take responsibility. I dindu nuffin.
I kinda chuckle every time I hear this. I saw the following as a comment under a story on the Book of Faces a while back. I unashamedly stole it:

How much nuffin
Could a dindu do
If a dindu
Dindu nuffin
 
I like the comment in the story that the system failed them. You have a 17 year old out in the early hours of the morning. He has a 1 year old daughter at home. He gets shot because he is running with people who decide to wave guns around for no real reason other than “don’t talk to our girls.” And the System is what failed them? Really!?! The system is to blame here?o_O


So much fail.
It falls on the sorry excuses for parents.
 
Manslaughter I would think. Isn't that when you cause someone's death without intention or malice or forethought?

For instance: I toss a watermelon off the roof of The Office and instead of hitting Stanley's car, it hits Dwight (that ignorant slut) in the head and kills him.
I think that manslaughter requires that you be committing an illegal act. So if you’re driving, have an accident and kill someone that’s just an accident, if you’re driving drunk then it is manslaughter.

If this guy was shooting in self defense, then not a criminal act so accident.

Again, not a lawyer, just what I’ve picked up.
 
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think that manslaughter requires that you be committing an illegal act. So if you’re driving, have an accident and kill someone that’s just an accident, if you’re driving drunk then it is manslaughter.
Years ago, in another state, I worked with a guy who hit and killed a motorcyclist. It was after dark in a rural area and he said that the bike had no lights and he did not, could not, see him. The rider's brother testified that he knew the lights worked because he and his deceased bother worked on the lights that very day (forget the fact that this is an admission that they were potentially problematic and could have failed). The guy I worked with got hit with manslaughter.
 
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Years ago, in another state, I worked with a guy who hit and killed a motorcyclist. It was after dark in a rural area and he said that the bike had no lights and he did not, could not, see him. The rider's brother testified that he knew the lights worked because he and his deceased bother worked on the lights that very day (forget the fact that this is an admission that they were potentially problematic and could have failed). The guy I worked with got hit with manslaughter.
By hit you mean convicted? Bummer
 
Here is a discussion of NC's manslaughter law.

Without a lot more detail about what happened, I have trouble being able to properly evaluate a self defense claim. I suspect most of us would consider it self defense to shoot a member of a group of people attacking us with deadly force.
 
They guy that pistol whipped the person in the car is the person who should bear any charges IMO. Apparently the shooter was 18 so could legally possess a handgun. But my gut tells me there isn't really an innocent side to this mess. Just an inability of the justice system to sort it out based on the mess that got handed to them.
 
"one of the men with Shannon approached the car and punched the people inside with a gun."

It's not clear who spent less time in school, Daquan or the person who wrote this article.
Throw the cow across the fence...……………………………………………………….some hay.
 
They guy that pistol whipped the person in the car is the person who should bear any charges IMO. Apparently the shooter was 18 so could legally possess a handgun. But my gut tells me there isn't really an innocent side to this mess. Just an inability of the justice system to sort it out based on the mess that got handed to them.
Chief it seems that a lot of places have started to do this. Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit, NY City. Crime rates are down. If nobody is charged or convicted...it didn't happen.
 
Chief it seems that a lot of places have started to do this. Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit, NY City. Crime rates are down. If nobody is charged or convicted...it didn't happen.

If it's a case of criminal on criminal violence, who is the more criminal? When no one is innocent who is guilty? This started with a fight in the store and ended in gunfire. Not exactly clear cut in any way.
 
Do the family members really think that this was not the destiny of their little precious?

If people can kill each other because somebody talked to their wimans, this portion of our society has huge problems.
 
"one of the men with Shannon approached the car and punched the people inside with a gun."

It's not clear who spent less time in school, Daquan or the person who wrote this article.

Mind walking me through this grammar lesson?
He walked up to the car and punched the people inside the car with his gun. The writer was maybe trying to avoid using the slang "pistol whipped"?
 
Mind walking me through this grammar lesson?
He walked up to the car and punched the people inside the car with his gun. The writer was maybe trying to avoid using the slang "pistol whipped"?

"one of the men with Shannon approached the car and punched the people inside with a gun."

This reads as one of the people he hit had a gun. The ones without a gun were safe, I guess.
 
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"one of the men with Shannon approached the car and punched the people inside with a gun."

This reads as one of the people he hit had a gun. The ones without a gun were safe, I guess.


IIRC that was referred too as AWK on my high school papers. Not wrong, just not quite right. Awkward.
 
Funny, it never occurred to me that he didn’t pistol whip the guy in the car and then get shot. The alternative, that he punched an armed guy in the car and then was shot would likely have led to prosecution...I think.
 
HAHA. Thread turns into a grammar lesson. I should have came here instead of public school and college. Yes, I had to read it again due to the wording.
 
I don't follow the "unintended target" thought process of this being a justified shoot. Sure, the kid was part of the group, but was he actually laying hands and causing the threat? This is news to me that I'm not responsible for my rounds, as long as I'm fearing for my life.

Playing this out in a different scenario: my kid, walking down the other side of the street minding his own business, is shot by someone trying to defend themself. No charges filed? Or, my appropriately to this example, my kid is with a group of others, one of the group is engaged in threatening someone's life. My kid is shot instead of the threat--no charges?

I'm not sure your analogy is apt.

Without anything kore to go on here, it seems like the person shot and killed was part of a group of people assaulting others in a car. Even if he wasn't the INTENDED target, he may still have been part of the violent group of attackers...making him a justifiable target.

Your son, walking across the street, would not be the same scenario.
 
Why can't they tighten down on this kind of thugishness?
Because if we do we are racists. Can't violate the poor thugs civil rights.
The only way to stop all this stupid thug type of crime is to bring back chain gangs, hard labor camps and a swift public death penalty. Stop making jails and prisons a place to hang for criminals, bring them back to the era where actually going to jail or prison was a deterrent. WE also need truth in sentencing laws where a 10yr sentence gives you 10yrs at hard labor, not 2yrs of hanging with your buddies watching tv, then early release to 2-3yrs of parole. Also, any prior criminal record, no release on bond.
 
Because if we do we are racists. Can't violate the poor thugs civil rights.
The only way to stop all this stupid thug type of crime is to bring back chain gangs, hard labor camps and a swift public death penalty. Stop making jails and prisons a place to hang for criminals, bring them back to the era where actually going to jail or prison was a deterrent. WE also need truth in sentencing laws where a 10yr sentence gives you 10yrs at hard labor, not 2yrs of hanging with your buddies watching tv, then early release to 2-3yrs of parole. Also, any prior criminal record, no release on bond.

I don't think that would work. I think the only way this changes is for parents to raise their kids. As in 2 parents. There are plenty of good role models for young 'urban' people to follow. Not sure how it is ever going to happen nationwide, but instead of throwing money at this problem there needs to be leadership in those areas that young people will listen to. Who and how I haven't a clue, but the culture needs to change for things to get better.
 
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