Tracking us using DNA genealogy tests

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  1. tod0987

    tod0987 Say What?

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    Chuckman Senior Member Sponsor

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    What an ethical and legal quagmire. All sorts of 4th amendment and civil liberties issues. The idea the authors propose to limit availability is a soft stop, and I think there are workarounds.
     
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    Ikarus1 Avtomat Krishna-kov

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    Just as ethical as selling aborted fetus body parts.
     
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    georgel Behind Every Blade of Grass Charter Member

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    That is how the government will begin illegally creating an organ donor prematch database. This info will new made available to members of the donor class that area favorable to the whatever the current party in order is. It will also be used to deny organs to enemies of the party in power.



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    fishgutzy Senior Member Supporting Member

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    The justification will be that buried in the user agreement is a clause that all data will be transmitted to government upon request. Therefore, no 4th amendment violation.

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    Chuckman Senior Member Sponsor

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    Then that's on the user. Caveat emptor and all.

    Not having done one (when I gave up my DNA in the military, I didn't have a choice, and I didn't sign anything), I am curious what the paperwork reads.
     
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    Chuckman Senior Member Sponsor

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    They don't even need to go that far. Just blood type. But there is already a pre-match database that all OPAs use to know when organs come available.
     
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    rdinatal Better late then never...

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    Winner!!

    My wife wanted to do this to trace family history. I said go for it but leave me out, then explained. She now gets it.
     
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    Chuckman Senior Member Sponsor

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    Problem is, the DNA won't do them any good. The data for matching is already there. I don't think the whole organ thing is a thing, but where I do see it giving some people a leg up is genetic engineering. I could definitely see the wealthy the preferred using the information in that way. I could even see the info being sold and employers or schools using the information to choose or not choose employees/students, etc.
     
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    fishgutzy Senior Member Supporting Member

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    And being used by gov't and insurance companies to deny coverage for "preexisting" conditions.
    If the wet dream of socialist healthcare ever happens, prenatal genetic testing will be mandated. And if certain genetic markers are found, all healthcare will be denied to the mother and baby if they choose life. UKNHS and Denmark are moving in that direction already.

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    rdinatal Better late then never...

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    Your DNA pattern in someone's database is not good. Nothing good will come of it.

    A hair found at a murder scene matches your DNA. How? Your hair was sold on the black market by a hotel maid.

    You were at home, no way to prove it. Jailed till you prove otherwise. As I said, not good.

    I think I see a book idea...
     
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    Robin Cook was ahead of his time. If had today's technology, his books would be prophetic.

    There are all sorts of ways this can go sideways. I am all for finding out your genealogy; just don't be surprised if the DNA you give up today comes back to haunt you in 20 years.*

    *Not unlike that party when you were 20 and forgot to use a condom....
     
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    Your DNA is too easy to get and likely already stored somewhere. You literally throw away DNA... in your trash.
     
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    How'd you know about those tissues?!
     
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    The future is wide open when it comes to DNA and we have no idea where it's going to end up.

    Imagine applying for a loan and being rejected because you're genetically predisposed to cancer and seen as too big a risk. That's the kind of stuff we may be in for if the law doesn't get ahead of things, which it won't. It always is reactionary and playing catch up.

    There's actually been some cold cases solved with DNA samples recently due to the ability to predict and chart family relationships. It wasn't the killer's DNA that got him caught, it was a distant cousin's.

    So yeah, keep your DNA to yourself until we see where this is going, but it may not matter if your family DNA can be obtained from someone else.
     
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    I get that we don't want to give up a bunch of information, but as an adopted person, I just have to know where I came from. The ancestry sites can only get you so far, and there's a lot of contradictory info on them. So I've pretty much decided to go ahead and get a test....in 20 years I may regret it, but with the little family history I've been able to get, I'll probably be dead in less than 20 years, so....Lol. I'll just add it to the "regret list" I have!
     
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    I suppose "samples" from all the tests and surgeries I had with the breast cancer dx are stored somewhere....
     
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    Your DNA may be entirely optional.

    I maintain a family tree on Ancestry that is limited in numbers, but very complete within its scope. About six months ago I was contacted by a woman who was adopted at birth and was searching for her biological father. She had taken Ancestry's DNA test and had about a dozen relatively close matches who all listed relatives who were on my family tree. It took me less than an hour of reviewing the various family trees to identify their most recent common relative - my great-great-grandmother. A few more hours of research and I was able to eliminate all but one family of my great-great-grandmother's descendants. The woman then supplied a couple of tidbits of biographical information: where and when she was born, that her mother had been an unmarried teen, and her father had been a middle-aged married man working in a particular industry. In short, I identified the woman's biological father in less than a day and without any of his DNA being available. Luckily for him, I do not make my family tree information about living persons publicly available.
     
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    Those records are amazing if you have the patience to dig.
    Most county libraries keep census books, and I was able to track my maternal line all the way back to the early 1700's sitting in the air conditioned local history room in a comfy chair. Something worth thinking about for anyone interested in lineage, but not willing to give up a sample or pay for Ancestry. Get a library card.

    Although, after I got on Ancestry I got access to European records and got back to 1400's Austria and 1600's Scotland.
     
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    IrishCannon Fight hard.

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    That's an interesting thought.

    I wonder if that would be considered a HIPPA violation, or if they would rule that as outside HIPPA since a predisposition is not necessarily part of your medical record...or is it? Idk
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    Yawn.....

    If you don’t think they (someone) don’t already have your DNA then your kidding yourself.
     
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    I have my family tree on Ancestry, but it is also on FamilySearch.org, which is the free online genealogy resource of the Mormon church. Moreover, the vast majority of the sources cited in my family tree are from FamilySearch so that anyone can see them without paying.
     

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