I'm not looking to start a debate but perhaps a open conversation. I travel a good bit all around NC/TN/ SC and I'm curious about if outside of a carry pistol do you carry a pistol ar or rifle in your vehicle or on your person when going back and forth to work or traveling in NC or out of state. This comes from having many good talks the past several months with folks all over. Having recently seen a big change from those who traditionally carry just their edc pistol to now packing a rifle/ full "bug out set up" to the office. A few have changed over from a AR pistol to a rifle with the new consensus being they would like the additional range it offers. My main questions is for those who carry a rifle do you keep it loaded or unloaded and is it concealed or open. If you recently started to carry a rifle what was your reason? Pic for attention!
Truck gun/ Pistol EDC Legality
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Well SC you cannot conceal an AR pistol, it does not meet their definition of a pistol by their length standard. Open carry is also illegal in SC so any rifle or AR pistol or AK pistol or any variant longer than 12" at its greatest length would have to be transported, in a case with ammo stored separately.
TN has an open carry law but to do so you have to have their enhanced carry permit. Otherwise again a rifle must be transported. Not sure if they consider an AR pistol or variant concealable under their permitting system.
TN has an open carry law but to do so you have to have their enhanced carry permit. Otherwise again a rifle must be transported. Not sure if they consider an AR pistol or variant concealable under their permitting system.
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Technically, mine is a pistol, at least as currently classified by the BATFokkers.
Concealed in a case. Mags loaded, but in a separate compartment in the case. Caliber and mags compatible with my concealed carry handgun.
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It depends on where you go. An AR Pistol in NC is a concealable under a NC CHP. In SC it is not.
Pursuant to S.C. Code Ann. § 23-31-210(5), “Concealable weapon,” means a firearm having a length of less than twelve inches measured along its greatest dimension that must be carried in a manner that is hidden from public view in normal wear of clothing except when needed for self-defense, defense of others, and the protection of real or personal property. Tasers, pepper spray, and/or any other weapon not included in the definition above are not regulated by SLED.”
And to answer you question yes I carry a pistol on me, have a pistol locked in a storage safe attached to the vehicle and carry an AR Pistol, mag and kit to get home if needed if I venture more than 30 min or so from my house.
Not trying to instigate illegal behavior or call anyone out but that doesn't mean everyone follows it as there are clearly a number of otherwise law abiding citizens who do not. Not saying I do or don't support it. Over the last 6 months figuring out any laws they randomly choose to enforce or not is completely mind blowing. Aside from trying to stay on topic, a few people have started carrying (illegal or legal) because cities and states are not enforcing the law.
Not trying to justify it just pointing it out.
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Yes...AR 10.3 “pistol”...would not think of venturing out without it.
Carry it in a backpack specifically designed for pistols/SBRs.
This is the standard for the last 20 years.
To go to the original question,
I would follow the states law 100%. the most simple way is to CCH a standard size pistol in a holster on your body and the 16" AR in a zipped up bag with the ammunition in a separate pouch within that bag.
That to me is the best way forward.
I’m typically G19 EDC. Anytime I’m heading off the reservation (hehehehe, Rob Co) I’ve got the PC9 with Romeo 5 and a few extra .... undesirable repellent sticks... as well. I like the cross compatibility. I’ve not drilled down on it but I was under the impression it is 50 state legal firearm. Of course that’s not considering the local laws of Nottingham for concealed / transporting and such. Free men do free stuff.
In addition to my EDC I carry a CMR-30 with 2 loaded mags and 100 extra rounds (for a total of 150rds, don't you just love 22mag?) all in a Blackhawk Diversion bag that looks like a tennis racket bag. That's in the car I drive most often, in the other one I keep a PMR-30 with the same loadout. I don't intend to fight WW3 to get home, the intent is to elude and evade. With the ability to place a high volume of fire or accurate shots on pursuers I hope to be able to break contact.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but even in NC I believe it's necessary for long arms to be unloaded in your vehicle and not easily accessible to occupants. "Braced pistols" and a NC CCP get around that requirement.
Another good clandestine bag for rifles is a baseball bat bag.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but even in NC I believe it's necessary for long arms to be unloaded in your vehicle and not easily accessible to occupants. "Braced pistols" and a NC CCP get around that requirement.
Another good clandestine bag for rifles is a baseball bat bag.
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Interesting topic. For starters, one has to consider what they're trying to protect or defend against. Obviously, we're at a point where it is more than a common street thug / mugger, or similar threat for which one would carry a concealed pistol and more like being caught in a mob type situation where a greater level of persuasive power is called for. One should also recognize from the numerous events that, especially in the places where these things are going down, the law and those charged with upholding it, tend to not to be on the side of those that defend themselves. Consequently, even as one a believer in free people do free people stuff, there is value in staying within the letter of the law. I like the solution that @JBoyette put forth: put the gun that has to be "transported" in a bag with the ammo in a separate pouch within. From a practical standpoint, I would think that if you wind up in a situation that requires the extra firepower you're going to have enough warning time to access it.
Loaded or not is a not issue in NC. Concealed within easy reach of a passenger is the issue to consider. Loaded and open, OK. Loaded and in a case/trunk. OK. Loaded but concealed in back, floorboard, under something, not OK.
In addition to the above understand that if you are carrying a long gun loaded in any capacity on NC Gamelands during a big game season you MIGHT have some issues. The law used to be unloaded and open or cased during season. I wouldn't guarantee you the game warden would not revert back to that. Also, there may be some laws on particular gamelands that address long gun carry specifically. Technically, a lot of gamelands in NC are private property so the property owner can set the rules.
Personally, I have my G19 and 3 happy sticks in a SMG mag pouch (which is easily stowble in a bookbag). Maybe I'm paranoid, but I feel a rifle or AR pistol draws way more attention than I'd like.
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My reasoning for carrying the AR pistol (5.56)...
While the chances of me ever having to use it are slim to none, it’s there and it affords capabilities that a weapon chambered for a pistol caliber does not. I would feel the same were it a Marlin 336 (which I’ve carried before and would not hesitate to do again).
A rifle is like a chainsaw; when you need one, there’s really no substitute.
While the chances of me ever having to use it are slim to none, it’s there and it affords capabilities that a weapon chambered for a pistol caliber does not. I would feel the same were it a Marlin 336 (which I’ve carried before and would not hesitate to do again).
A rifle is like a chainsaw; when you need one, there’s really no substitute.
Same here.
typical carry is a G19 or G26 on my person. I have two extra G19 mags in the car close. I've been putting together a go bag for myself and my wife. Ar pistol w/3 mags and typically keep it in the hatch area of the car or in reach of the passenger in case I need it.
Our travels are typically in state (NC) for day trips. I figure that is likely enough to get me home and if I need more than that, things are dire.
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I just hold my AR out the open window while I'm driving so there is no question about me concealing it.
Why else would it have a carry handle?
Why else would it have a carry handle?
Good comments and great discussion. Outside of my edc I typically have an 11.5 in the boot either in a UTG case or 5.11 covert depending on load out. Usually loaded and often with one in the chamber unless I'm going out of state.
HA! European maybe, Brit no. I would consider myself a mutt by any stature. Since I rarely drive a truck I have no bed and I don't have a hatch for a hatchback the limited space in the rear of my Jeep is I would define as nothing short of a boot
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Thanks for that, I wasn't clear on the loaded or not issue. It's obviously impractical to keep a get home gun (long gun or not) in your vehicle in plain sight so that bit of the law is pretty much useless other than for putting your pistol on the seat or dash when you get pulled over and don't have a CCP. In a case in the back of an SUV for example is OK for my CMR-30, but I've heard it's somewhat open to the judgement of the officer involved and the circumstances which makes perfect sense to me.
Slightly OT and apologize in advance for the brief hijack, but I thought I'd try and get an opinion on what a LEO told me years back after puling me over for an expired tag/inspection. He said the CCP only allowed you to conceal on your body, not wherever you want to stash it in the car. I told him I didn't think that was correct but he was adamant. It was only a warning, he wasn't trying to catch me on anything, but that's what he believed. Who's right? Yes I'm too lazy at the moment to look up the actual language and have been for the last couple years 
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I do Not suggest this for Anybody. When I am in my truck I have 2 handguns on my person, I have a handgun open in the shifter trough and I have a folding stock Mini 30 in reach on my side of the passenger seat beside the console. It is concealed in a cover @RS made for it.
I never leave the state and rarely leave the county.
I never leave the state and rarely leave the county.
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He was incorrect.Slightly OT and apologize in advance for the brief hijack, but I thought I'd try and get an opinion on what a LEO told me years back after puling me over for an expired tag/inspection. He said the CCP only allowed you to conceal on your body, not wherever you want to stash it in the car. I told him I didn't think that was correct but he was adamant. It was only a warning, he wasn't trying to catch me on anything, but that's what he believed. Who's right? Yes I'm too lazy at the moment to look up the actual language and have been for the last couple years
They usually don't know. In the 70s and 80s if you told a LE you had a CWP in S.C. they treated you like they had met the Governor.
I never met a local LE that knew they existed. When they opened them up to everybody in 1998 we lost all the clout one of them had. With the ones from 1976 to 1998 you had more authority to carry than any LE in the state. Across County Lines and in Court Rooms. Hospitals, literally Everywhere.
And then..............................what we got now...........
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If I recall correctly, the statute defines concealed as “on or about your person”.
Slightly OT and apologize in advance for the brief hijack, but I thought I'd try and get an opinion on what a LEO told me years back after puling me over for an expired tag/inspection. He said the CCP only allowed you to conceal on your body, not wherever you want to stash it in the car. I told him I didn't think that was correct but he was adamant. It was only a warning, he wasn't trying to catch me on anything, but that's what he believed. Who's right? Yes I'm too lazy at the moment to look up the actual language and have been for the last couple years
The word is about, not on your person. Like all things. someone could be a jerk about it. But I don't see it going anywhere. Mainly because if you have a gun beside you in a bag they would ding your for concealed if you DID NOT have a permit.
(a1) It shall be unlawful for any person willfully and intentionally to carry concealed about his or her person any pistol or gun except in the following circumstances:
§ 14-269. Carrying concealed weapons.
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- (1) The person is on the person's own premises.
- (2) The deadly weapon is a handgun, the person has a concealed handgun permit
issued in accordance with Article 54B of this Chapter or considered valid under G.S. 14-415.24, and the person is carrying the concealed handgun in accordance with the scope of the concealed handgun permit as set out in G.S. 14-415.11(c).
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Slightly OT and apologize in advance for the brief hijack, but I thought I'd try and get an opinion on what a LEO told me years back after puling me over for an expired tag/inspection. He said the CCP only allowed you to conceal on your body, not wherever you want to stash it in the car. I told him I didn't think that was correct but he was adamant. It was only a warning, he wasn't trying to catch me on anything, but that's what he believed. Who's right? Yes I'm too lazy at the moment to look up the actual language and have been for the last couple years
AS others have said you can conceal on or about your person. So the center console in your vehicle, glove box, or your manpurse is perfectly fine.
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Also, NC gets more complicated on "educational property", especially for long guns. Read it yourself:
https://www.ncleg.gov/enactedlegislation/statutes/pdf/bysection/chapter_14/gs_14-269.2.pdf