what would a 1776~ era patriot think about the current state of today's affairs? When I say "today's" I mean specifically about today's testimony from the fbi top brass or the proof of corruption at the top levels of our most prestigious institutions?
True patriots...
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Tar, feather , musket, canon. Not necessarily in that order. It was all so phony and full of BS that the common man, or common sense man of that day would have seen through it. If you simply watch or read the media headlines it is no big deal. If you read some or all of the actual details this is all far worse than Watergate. And just a tad short of killing the Kennedy's. Although if Trump keeps winning that may be next.
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Considering they reacted the way they did to a small tax on tea, I dont think they'd like where our country has went.
Forcing people to buy med insurance or be fined
All the taxes we have
And how large our gov has become.
No, those men wouldn't be too thrilled, I dont think.
Forcing people to buy med insurance or be fined
All the taxes we have
And how large our gov has become.
No, those men wouldn't be too thrilled, I dont think.
To add, I know there was more than the tea tax, Im giving one example of them physically reacting.
But all of the things they did from the late 60s till it was go time... yeah, they would probably be questioning why we're just posting on social media.
But all of the things they did from the late 60s till it was go time... yeah, they would probably be questioning why we're just posting on social media.
Oh, that reminds me of one other thing.
A guy I went to college with posted in a facebook group today, one started by our old professor asking for some advice on what we're seeing the classrooms etc based on NC Essential Standards etc...
Anyway, this guy posts a meme about 'doing something' about our government. And how the men of the Am. Rev. would have done something...but, again, he's posting a meme, that's it.
Dont talk about doing stuff when you arent doing stuff.
LESS TALK, MORE ROCK (if that's how you truly feel)
A guy I went to college with posted in a facebook group today, one started by our old professor asking for some advice on what we're seeing the classrooms etc based on NC Essential Standards etc...
Anyway, this guy posts a meme about 'doing something' about our government. And how the men of the Am. Rev. would have done something...but, again, he's posting a meme, that's it.
Dont talk about doing stuff when you arent doing stuff.
LESS TALK, MORE ROCK (if that's how you truly feel)
A Spooner post! Awesomeness.
You got a 'like' but quit reminding me this is social media dammit. I think I am above all that.
that was more the royal 'we'
We as society.
Lots of complaining, not so much action.
But it was more than tea for them too, they didnt like all the taxes...and look at us now.
Taxes
Gov overreach
Look, Im with you, Im not a Billy BA that thinks he's going to take on the world with AR in hand, I live a dang good life.
But Im just saying that those men fought bravely over a lot less, it seems, than what we're dealing with now.
Not very accurate numbers, but they fought and died for something like 5% taxes. The avergae person now is probably around 50% overall, and we don't care. It is horrible, but it also says something about how far our bastadized capitalism has taken us. Imagine if we went closer to 100% capitalist instead of half ass crap we do now.
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How would they feel? Disappointed, I think. Disappointed that after learning that the Cause was ultimately successful, it has effectively been abandoned by almost all Posterity. However, I think that disappointment would be significantly greater had they been plucked from 1783 after knowing and experiencing the cost.
But I also think that if they were stuck here - that it was a one way trip, they'd get to work in the attempt to cultivate a value in Liberty much as they did in their own time. We are quick to resort to a dynamic remedy - tarring and feathering, burning pols in effigy, or the notion of a Second Amendment fix.
And though that will likely be necessary in the end, it's important to remember the American Revolution wasn't the Revolutionary War.
The War was merely a consequence of the Revolution.
What exactly does that mean? In a letter to H. Niles in 1818, John Adams had this to say:
I feel like they would get to work rekindling the fires of Liberty....fanning the embers that remain into flame, then brushfires, then into massive conflagration.
Back in their day it was done in the taverns, in the town halls, in the streets and in the partisan press - the social media of the 18th century. It was there that the various caucus clubs met, shared, debated, and disseminated ideas. And despite @HMP 's general scorn for social media - it does, on occasion, change people's minds. This place is a good example - I've seen people who were hardcore GOPers in 2012 become some of the most vocal "government sucks" folks around.
1776 was the year when the decade and a half of labor in sowing the seeds of Independence began to pay off - it was in 1776 when the fruits of 1775 became ripe.
Because in the end, it doesn't take a majority to prevail, just a sizeable enough minority to not fail. By the end of the Revolutionary War, more Americans were in the field fighting FOR the crown than against it, yet the pro-Independence crowd won.
I believe they would begin laying the groundwork to build an sizeable enough minority to effect change, and embuing that minority with enough faith and zeal to see things through, whatever costs may come.
But I also think that if they were stuck here - that it was a one way trip, they'd get to work in the attempt to cultivate a value in Liberty much as they did in their own time. We are quick to resort to a dynamic remedy - tarring and feathering, burning pols in effigy, or the notion of a Second Amendment fix.
And though that will likely be necessary in the end, it's important to remember the American Revolution wasn't the Revolutionary War.
The War was merely a consequence of the Revolution.
What exactly does that mean? In a letter to H. Niles in 1818, John Adams had this to say:
I feel like they would get to work rekindling the fires of Liberty....fanning the embers that remain into flame, then brushfires, then into massive conflagration.
Back in their day it was done in the taverns, in the town halls, in the streets and in the partisan press - the social media of the 18th century. It was there that the various caucus clubs met, shared, debated, and disseminated ideas. And despite @HMP 's general scorn for social media - it does, on occasion, change people's minds. This place is a good example - I've seen people who were hardcore GOPers in 2012 become some of the most vocal "government sucks" folks around.
1776 was the year when the decade and a half of labor in sowing the seeds of Independence began to pay off - it was in 1776 when the fruits of 1775 became ripe.
Because in the end, it doesn't take a majority to prevail, just a sizeable enough minority to not fail. By the end of the Revolutionary War, more Americans were in the field fighting FOR the crown than against it, yet the pro-Independence crowd won.
I believe they would begin laying the groundwork to build an sizeable enough minority to effect change, and embuing that minority with enough faith and zeal to see things through, whatever costs may come.
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I want to apologize if Ive given you the impression that I dont like social media,I do. In fact I think it's wonderful!
But my comments above were more in response to the folks that talk talk talk about doing something but thats all they do, talk about it online.
If youre going to talk about it (not you specifically SPM, but in general) then DO SOMETHING.
Dont post a meme about doing something when that's all youre doing it posting a meme.
If you feel change needs to happen then get out there and work on it.
Yes, social media can be influential, and we see by posts on here with meetups at rallies etc That's awesome (given there is actually time in advance for it to be effective...dont tell me the day before and then call us lazy for not making it out there lol).
And social media has allowed us to stay connected very quickly across this great nation and world, about what's happening in different area, what has been effective, what has not been etc.
So, please, dont misunderstand my post that I dont like social media, Im not one of those that thinks its the devil, the downfall of our society etc.
I just get annoyed by the ones who cry out for change and yet do nothing about it.
And that's in all facets of life. If youre unhappy then DO SOMETHING
