I think i smell a Libertarian!
Huh. I can't smell any Libertarians through the overpowering stench of horse sh*t around here.
What really concerns me is that the gun community as a whole, who have enjoyed so much success after the dark years of Clinton, have become far to head strong and inflexible to an extreme.
Clinton years? You haven't been around long, have you? One could reasonably make the case that the government violations of the Second Amendment in this country peaked in the 1970s. We've been collectively fighting tooth and nail to rectify that. Clinton was a hiccup in that battle. "Head strong and inflexible to an extreme"? Nay, focused, vigilant, and steadfast in our determination. You DON'T see extremes from the likes of those of us defending our rights until AFTER you see extremes from those who wish to deprive us all of them.
I understand what you are saying, my disagreement is basically that... your ideas don't run the real world. So i tend to think not so much in a idealogical theory, but what we can reasonably expect will happen in reality. What i believe we are seeing is that if this trend of evil continues, our gun rights are going to get hammered.
Sooo...what YOU are saying is "we're going to lose, so just give up". Well, I have to say that YOUR ideas about how the world runs suck, and the last four decades and then some illustrate this.
Here is how it will happen. Someone will bring a case to the Supreme court, they will argue that the world is a different place now, that the unfettered access to dangerous weapons has become overwhelming, that the legislature and populace are in effect held hostage by the political realities of both sides. This inability to act even in the most rudimentary restrictive way is resulting in a large number of deaths. And i believe they will act in some unilateral way that will have unforeseen consequences.
Hey, look! More "roll over and play dead"!
We have seen this movie before haven't we? It comes down to law precedent and what is reasonable. Judges are human. If this trend continues and we as responsible gun owners just sit on our hands and point at the second amendment... we are not going to like what happens.
Wait a minute...you just spend the majority of your posting so far telling us we should bow down to the inevitable! Make up your mind!
To ignore this is a HUGE mistake IMHO. I hope i am wrong. But i am seeing staunch gun owners I know bend on some of these issues. We need to be part of a solution not simply an obstinate wall.
You know what the solution ISN'T? It isn't the decimation of our rights. It isn't bullsh*t and lies. It isn't easy. It isn't "compromise" on a subject in which there has NEVER, EVER, EVER BEEN A COMPROMISE. A compromise involves give and take by ALL parties involved. In this battle, one side is, and has ALWAYS taken without "giving" anything.
EVERYBODY KNOWS THE PROBLEMS ARE CAUSED BY PEOPLE AND NOT GUNS. Most ESPECIALLY the politicians. Even those who blame guns KNOW it took a person to pull the trigger.
The problem is that many people don't want to admit this because it puts the blame on people, who would then be expected to assume responsibility for these problems.
No, it's much simpler to blame an inanimate object than to actually hold people to task for their actions...from the ground up. Not just the individuals who commit these acts, but parents who don't raise their children properly, social programs which promote unstable families, and more.
THAT'S THE HARSH REALITY THESE PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO FACE!
And until they do, acts like these will continue and they will NOT get better.
