Two ATF "determinations" coming

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NCFubar said:
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If all the modular silencers in customers' hands can no longer be configured into the shorter length because you'd have "leftover" silencer parts...that's what would suck.

The AFG/VFG becomes an issue in regards to the NFA because you can currently put an AFG on a pistol, but not a VFG (because the VFG would make it an AOW or SBR depending on the circumstances). Not near as big a problem as the modular can issue, though.
 
I've been thinking about the modular can thing recently, after hearing so much good about the Surge. I wondered why the extension was legal and then if it was legal, why couldn't I make an extension for any can which has a removable endcap?
That would be pretty cool if you could throw a 2 baffle extension on your already quiet can just for the heck of it.

The fact that it doesn't have the ability to attach to a firearm without the serialized part of the can makes me think it should be ok and treated no different than baffle/endcap parts.

These things rarely work out in our favor so whatever, we'll see.
 
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I never got the mod can thing. It seems like an obvious no no at face value. Of course you can have multiple boosters and mounts and those are parts too. It's all stupid...
 
Yup. It is apparent. They like poking the peasants with sticks after robbing them of their fruits from the orchard.
 
Never confuse what's logical with what's legal...or in this case what's determined by the ATF. To me the AFG thing is simple: if it's over 45 degrees, or extends past a certain length down to where it can be held vertically, it's a VFG. But again, see my first sentence.
 
If they find modular suppressors to no longer meet their approval will the ATF give an exemption for my griffin rev 9 knowing that it's permanently stuck in it's short config? :D /troll
 
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Maybe if you only use your modular suppressors "occasionally" or "incendentally" you'll be fine.
 
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They are going to make a determination about a can, probably from Q, where you could theoretically make two working cans out of one modular can. It's not going to impact any existing modular suppressor that's currently out.
 
BigWaylon said:
If all the modular silencers in customers' hands can no longer be configured into the shorter length because you'd have "leftover" silencer parts...that's what would suck.

The AFG/VFG becomes an issue in regards to the NFA because you can currently put an AFG on a pistol, but not a VFG (because the VFG would make it an AOW or SBR depending on the circumstances). Not near as big a problem as the modular can issue, though.
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I read an ATF letter from 2011 that says if the pistols overall length is greater than 26 inches, a vertical for grip does not constitute an AOW (and their AOW definition has a barrel between 12-18"). In the answer to Q2, the ATF answers that specifically (bottom of page 2)

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If you had a 12" extended brace, and 14" from the back of the receiver to the end of the barrel for 26" over all length, then it would be just a "firearm"?
 
MadMardigan said:
If you had a 12" extended brace, and 14" from the back of the receiver to the end of the barrel for 26" over all length, then it would be just a "firearm"?
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If the whole thing is over 26", that's my understanding.
 
The letter clarifies how to measure; basically extend any stock as far out as it goes (so for an AR Pistol it would be the back of the buffer tube) to the tip of the barrel threads, so a muzzle device should be removed.
 
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11B CIB said:
The letter clarifies how to measure; basically extend any stock as far out as it goes (so for an AR Pistol it would be the back of the buffer tube) to the tip of the barrel threads, so a muzzle device should be removed.
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This makes that a grey area.
 
There's always Some Guy who writes ATF.....

They usually become really popular in the NFA community.
 
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