Underwood Elliot Fisher M1 Carbine circa 1943 *pic heavy*

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  1. draco88

    draco88 Dang it, Bobby Charter Life Member Supporting Member

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    Another thread inspired me to look into the value of this rifle.
    As the title states, it's a UEF circa 1943. It has character marks all over the stock, and as far as I can tell, it has the correct sights. It's marked US Carbine Cal 30 M1 on the front of the receiver. The serial number puts it in the Nov 42-July 43 range with a 6-43 stamp on top of the barrel just aft of the front sight. Assume that means Jun 43? There is also a proof mark stamped into the right hand side of the buttstock that seems to confirm inspection and acceptance in the '42-'43 era.
    There is nothing that is broken or does not function on this rifle and I believe that is the original sling with it.
    I know pics can be deceiving, but whats the best guess on value of this rifle? Im not gonna sell it because it came from a great uncle, to a granddad, to dad, to me, but I would like to know anyway.
    Can take and post more/specific pics on request.

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    Does the mask and blue gloves come with it?
     
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    Very nice. I don’t know much about the carbine values, just that they are more than I’m willing to spend. I’m more of a Garand man :D but no expert.
     
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    draco88 Dang it, Bobby Charter Life Member Supporting Member

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    Mask, yes...but I only have white rubber gloves lol
     
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    draco88 Dang it, Bobby Charter Life Member Supporting Member

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    Thanks anyway. Maybe one of the other guys I tagged will chime in.
    I learned how to operate semi autos on this rifle as a wee lad. Haven't shot it in years, but I remember liking it very much. Miggt have to pick up a box of ammo and go plink a bit :)
     
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    Geezer Flatland Hillbilly Staff Member Benefactor Charter Life Member

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    So, you robbed a bank and now are trying to ditch the evidence?
     
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    I know it went thru one rebuild at least at Rock Island Arsenal by the RIA front sight, adjustable rear sight, barrel ban with bayonet lug and flip safety but the barrel proof and stock cartouche shows some Underwood stuff stayed together thru the arsenal rebuild. To put a more exact value you need to see what other parts are true to an Underwood Carbine ... they did make a lot of their own parts in house so you should be looking for “U” on some of the smaller parts. The bore’s condition would also come into play but Underwood barrels actually are one of the easier to find a good condition replacement for but just looking I’d guess that is the original barrel and didn’t need replacement with the RIA rebuild ... original with good bore would be nice. Personally I don’t think a good estimate is possible without really a good digging into by someone who can really check the parts being correct to the manufacturer but a good bore shooter grade today is $750 easy and the more correct parts it has the price can climb.
     
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    draco88 Dang it, Bobby Charter Life Member Supporting Member

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    Shhhhhh....
     
  9. draco88

    draco88 Dang it, Bobby Charter Life Member Supporting Member

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    Now we're talkin lol
    The bore is in pretty good shape...at least as far as my naked eye can tell. No obvious rust/pitting/defects. Hard to get a pic of that lol.
    I'll do a little research to see what Underwood parts may have been marked and try to get a feel for that.
    Thanks for the response
     
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    Without seeing anything else, $850-$950, depending on how badly you wanted to sell it.
     
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    draco88 Dang it, Bobby Charter Life Member Supporting Member

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    Like I said above, Im gonna look for marked parts (I already found a great reference for which ones are marked and how), but I might bring it to the next show I go to for you to give it a once over.
     
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    I would say $900 also.
     
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    Nice carbine. It looks from the picture that the sling is not a carbine sling but a M1 Garand sling. The sling, if WWII vintage, has value too.
     
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  14. draco88

    draco88 Dang it, Bobby Charter Life Member Supporting Member

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    How would someone be able to tell for sure?
     
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    Burt Gummer Comfortably Numb Staff Member Benefactor Charter Life Member

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    @BillWild is a Carbine and Garand guru also.
     
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    ronn47 Where's the Scotch? Charter Member Benefactor Life Member

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    Garand slings have a hook to attach at the front and carbines have snaps to attach the sling.
     
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    Post a pic of the entire sling. You do not have to remove it from the rifle, just shoot a shot to include the entire sling. Look on the sling itself it may have a date mark
     
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    draco88 Dang it, Bobby Charter Life Member Supporting Member

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    Thanks...it has the hook so Garand sling.
     
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    draco88 Dang it, Bobby Charter Life Member Supporting Member

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    Faded out, but that looks like it says 1944 on it.
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    The upper attachment

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    draco88 Dang it, Bobby Charter Life Member Supporting Member

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    Thanks for the info, guys, but, if you gentlemen will excuse me, my golden rod failed and I have a mildew problem to address.
    So, really, thanks for making me open the safe lol. It might have been a while.
     
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    draco88 Dang it, Bobby Charter Life Member Supporting Member

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    I gots me a good woman...Ive got vinegar and a rag killin mildew and she's cleaning and treating the wood. Had 11 long guns with wood affected.
    She never flinched or hesitated. "Baby, how can I help?" she says.
    I'm not worrying about the ARs or stuff with synthetic stocks tonight lol. Since everything is already out, it will all get taken apart and cleaned over the next few days before it goes back in the safe.

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    Careful with vinegar, it is really hard on bluing.
     
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    draco88 Dang it, Bobby Charter Life Member Supporting Member

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    Yes, sir...it absolutely is. Just killed mildew on the wood with it is all. Thanks for the reminder, though.
     
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    I saw a FA kit for one of these for sale recently. Seems it was around 8K and was fully transferable....
     
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    draco88 Dang it, Bobby Charter Life Member Supporting Member

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    My wife just started cussin lol. Says we aren't allowed to talk anymore :rolleyes:
     
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    ronn47 Where's the Scotch? Charter Member Benefactor Life Member

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    Tarheel has it listed.
     
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    Scsmith42 Member Benefactor Charter Life Member Supporting Member

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    That's the one! In-state transfer too Draco!!!!
     
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    You're wife would look good shooting full auto.... just saying....
     
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    draco88 Dang it, Bobby Charter Life Member Supporting Member

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    I'd have to start turnin tricks to keep her in ammo lmao
     
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    Fairly standard M1 Carbines from WWII era range from $800 to $1200, depending on manufacturer, matching serial numbers etc. My two WWII era Carbines both Inlands one a 1943 and the other a 1944 paratrooper model. Paid $700 for the standard and 1K for the paratrooper model. All matching on the para. model, the other was all Inland with Winchester trigger group so the price was good on it.

    Very cool that's it's been passed down through family!
     
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    draco88 Dang it, Bobby Charter Life Member Supporting Member

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    This is the part the antis will never understand.

    I have this rifle and an '03 Springfield 30-40 from the same great uncle.
    A matching set of Remmy 1100s from the late 70's...16 and 12ga...from one grandad.
    A 1948 Browning Sweet Sixteen from my other grandpa and a Remmy model 12 pump 22 that his dad gave him as a wedding gift...in 1927. Edited: 1928. Great grandad took it to settle a debt in '27
    They all were working guns and put a lot of meat in my ancestors pots.

    The antis want my family history, they better dig in for a fight.
     
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