USPSA production is hard... on the ego

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Just finished up the "Carolina Reaper" level 2 USPSA match, and running production is hard. In IDPA it's easier to shoot SSP irons and compete with the optics guys, but USPSA production running against open class stuff is just tough, one might say impossible. Major power factor, optics, comps, 57 round mags, gnat fart triggers, etc.... it all adds up. I know you're only supposed to compare yourself to other shooters in your class, but come on, we all look at the overall results too!

The match was pretty good, 12 stages ranging from really short and fast to crazy wide open with lots of movement and opportunities to get lost.
 
Matches are humbling at best and at worst, soul stealing nightmares. It is difficult to look past the scores and not compare yourself. Especially when you run the match prefect, only to be beat by someone with gamer equipment but does not have your skill level. People claim the best shooter will come out on top no matter the equipment. But let’s be honest, sometimes that’s just not true. If it were, Jerry Miculek and other top shooters would be running stock firearms. Instead of those high dollar tricked out race guns.
 
I understand what you are saying. My comments were meant for competitors closer to the same skill levels. You are correct there is a point when equipment will not help. But it does help to a degree, other wise there wouldn’t be different competition divisions. Knowing @Jayne is a skilled competitor, I can empathize as I have been in similar situations.
 
Average Joe said:
@Jayne is a skilled competitor,
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The 2nd place guy mentioned to me that my reloads looked solid, he was ROing me on a stage and he said he didn't even see the mag change, just a mag falling to the ground and he thought it fell off my belt. It's as if I practice reloads every single day.... :)
 
But you were actually competing against other production shooters. Open is another division. How'd you do in your division? That's what you should concentrate on.
 
At a given point for most people there is a law of diminishing return. No matter how fast your gun, how tricked out your equipment, at some point It ceases to meet your capability. I've seen it in golf, and I sure see it in shooting now.

Professionals and experts also are affected, but they are on the far right of the bell curve and their margin is different.
 
I shot that match in production too and It was one of the most deceptively difficult matches I have ever shot. The first six stages were pretty straightforward, but the back six down the path to the tobacco field were set up to make you think you can shoot them faster than you should. I did just that and it bit me ! I had 7 mikes in 6 stages, so don’t feel bad when those dot guys hit stuff far away really quickly.
 
Uspsa is humbling because that’s where all the really good shooters are.
For that match I count:
9 grand master class
8 masters class
8 A class

The first A class dude took 17th place! That guy would absolutely crush 99% of the idpa matches around.

And some, like Martini, doesn’t even have a uspsa rating but is certainly master class in every gun and grand master most likely.

Sure, a B class guy with a stock Glock is getting beat by a B class guy with a 9,000$ Infinity open gun. But that is really not what we are seeing in the scores. Everybody is exactly where they should be. Most open shooters got there shooting through other divisions first.

In fact, YOU yourself are proof. You beat 14 people. All but 5 (4 production and 1 revolver) had “nicer” guns than you (limited, PCC, and carry optics). Yet you failed to beat anybody with a higher USPSA rating. Your match is living proof the gun matters less than the skill level.
 
NKD said:
The first A class dude took 17th place! That guy would absolutely crush 99% of the idpa matches around.
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no way, he would get so many procedurals for shooting things out of order, dropping mags with ammo, reloading in the open and would probably get all tangled up in his borrowed fishing vest.

NKD said:
Yet you failed to beat anybody with a higher USPSA rating. Your match is living proof the gun matters less than the skill level.
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Hmm... hadn't looked at the data that way. Guess I'm right where I am because that's where I am. #profound
 
Jayne said:
Just finished up the "Carolina Reaper" level 2 USPSA match, and running production is hard. In IDPA it's easier to shoot SSP irons and compete with the optics guys, but USPSA production running against open class stuff is just tough, one might say impossible. Major power factor, optics, comps, 57 round mags, gnat fart triggers, etc.... it all adds up. I know you're only supposed to compare yourself to other shooters in your class, but come on, we all look at the overall results too!

The match was pretty good, 12 stages ranging from really short and fast to crazy wide open with lots of movement and opportunities to get lost.
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As a long time Production shooter...just wishing for Production with fully loaded mags.
 
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Starkherz199 said:
As a long time Production shooter...just wishing for Production with fully loaded mags.
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I really don't get the appeal. It's just a number in a game, and makes reloads a skill you get to hone to get an advantage over those that don't.
 
Jayne said:
I really don't get the appeal. It's just a number in a game, and makes reloads a skill you get to hone to get an advantage over those that don't.
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Next time you shoot uspsa, shoot it in Limited minor division. Load up your mags and shoot it with your Production rig. Then compare.
It is a higher fun factor.
Production 10 round limit makes you game plan everything around 3 reloads. When you only have 1 reload you can shoot more aggressively.
Its a different experience

Give it a try...and see for yourself.
 
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