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What Qassim Soleimani's killing means

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  1. Button Pusher

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    They should have taken this bad character out over a decade ago.
     
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  3. Hammer21b

    Hammer21b I'm you're Huckleberry

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    My question is, have you been there? Have you been to Iraq, Afghanistan, Kuwait, Pakistan? I have as well as some others on the forum. And I'll tell you this, We either fight them over there or we fight them over here, it makes no difference to them! They have proved that they will come here and if you havn't been watching the news for the past couple decades, they will bomb your schools, your children's bus, the local grocery store your airports, they will shoot up your churches and burn them to the ground, they would kill your women for what they wear, they will seek out the gays and execute them in their night clubs, they will set IEDs on your roads and interstate highways, in bus stations, police stations, leave car bombs on your streets. If I've learned anything from being there it's I don't care one bit what we spend to keep them over there! I don't care about oil, I don't care about gaining land and the Soldier we have today are volunteers and know going in where they are going to be fighting. These are some of the best we've ever fielded, my son is among them! So yes, I'd love to be able to pull out of the Mid East, but unless we stay, they will swarm over here. Many are already here! Invited in by our "leaders", more like dumbasses! Just my .02 for what it's worth. I'd love to be back among those troops.
     
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    Wait, is that Sean Connery? :D
     
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    Interesting piece in USA Today...


    Donald Trump showed restraint, then resolve, in killing of Iran's Qassem Soleimani

    Faced with years of Iran's escalating aggression in the Middle East, Donald Trump has been a model of restraint. Finally, Iran had gone too far.
    James S. Robbins
    Opinion columnist
    Qassem Soleimani was a violent man who lived a violent life. The Iranian major general lived by the sword and died by the drone. Soleimani’s death was a long time coming, and it is chiefly mourned by those who are seeking a similar end.

    We can dispense with questions over whether the attack that killed Soleimani was an illegal assassination as opposed to a legitimate act in the war on terrorism. The United States has been conducting such strikes for years, and President Barack Obama faced no serious pushback for using drones to prosecute the conflict.

    The Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps Quds force which Soleimani commanded was a designated Foreign Terrorist Organization, which gave its members the same status as al-Qaida, the Islamic State or any other such group. According to the Pentagon, Soleimani was actively planning attacks against American forces, something he had done many times in the past. Those politicians who question whether President Donald Trump had the legal right to conduct the strike can suggest adding it as another article of impeachment, if they dare.

    Iran raised the stakes
    The criticism that this move was escalatory ignores the fact that Iran has been escalating conflict in the Middle East for years. Iran supports insurgent and militia groups in Yemen, Afghanistan, Gaza, Lebanon and Syria, among others. Iran, using Soleimani’s Quds Force as its spearhead, was responsible for more than 600 American deaths in Iraq from 2003 to 2011, 17% of all U.S. dead in that conflict. President George W. Bush's administration never adequately made Tehran pay, and the Obama administration was more interested in paying Tehran.

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    Trump had been a model of restraint in the face of increasingly aggressive moves against American allies and interests by Iran and its proxies. These included attacks on Saudi oil refineries and tankers in the Persian Gulf, as well as aggressive moves against Israel in Syria, which the Jewish state has been responding to ably with strikes of its own. Trump even called off a planned retaliatory mission last June, after Iranian forces downed a US drone. So it’s difficult to argue Trump was looking for pretexts for war.

    But the red line for Trump is and has been attacks that threaten or take American lives. When an American civilian defense contractor was killed by rocket fire in a Quds-backed Shiite militia attack near Kirkuk, Iraq, in December, the United States mounted a punitive strike, killing 25. When members of the militia group attacked the U.S. embassy in Baghdad, Trump immediately sent in Marine reinforcements. The president then issued a threat to Iran, to which Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei responded, “you can’t do a damn thing.”

    Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini used repeatedly against President Jimmy Carter during the 1980 hostage crisis. The implication of another election-year embassy takeover was plain. So when Soleimani brazenly traveled to Baghdad, Trump demonstrated that the United States can do things, and damn well.

    Tehran now threatens revenge, of course, and they will likely seek it soon. Soleimani had boasted of Iran’s “power in the region and capability for launching asymmetrical war.” Force protection is critical to prevent another episode like the 1983 bombing of the Marine Corps barracks in Beirut. And there is also the possibility of an Iranian-backed domestic attack, like the planned bombing, according to U.S. officials, in Washington, D.C., which was broken up in 2011.


    "We are near you, where you can't even imagine,” Soleimani had said. But it is safe to assume that any attack on the American homeland that was traceable to Tehran would be met with a significant, 9/11-style response. Despite Tehran’s bluster the U.S. maintains escalation dominance and there is really no question about the degree of punishment America could inflict on Iran should matters deteriorate further.

    Of course, maybe Tehran doesn’t care about the “great and overwhelming force” President Trump threatened last June. Tehran claims that its “strategic patience” is not a sign of fear. “We are the nation of martyrdom,” Soleimani boasted. “Come; we are ready.” President Trump’s response was, challenge accepted.
     
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    Look at how many Congress critters have dual citizenship. To which country are they loyal? Look who controls the Federal Reserve. Look. Just look for yourself.
     
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    Can’t bring stuff like that up, next you’ll be pointing out that media and pornography are all ran by one certain group.
     
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    I heard the all he saw was a red hat and he was blown away.
     
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    Which I already practiced daily as it is, yes.

    Amendment: I am comfortable in crowds at Battery Oaks.
     
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    They don’t need to be here and we don’t need to be there. Australia had a great policy of immigration until the United States made a big deal out of their rules. Always sticking our nose in others business.
     
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    Hammer21b I'm you're Huckleberry

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    You're right, they don't need to be here but that doesn't stop all of the "undocumented" people from coming over our boards dose it? They want a war with the US and have since our inception as a country. We have fought them in the early 1800s and lost more than enough ships and sailors to them. We paid them ransom or "tribute" until we said enough was enough and started sending US Marines on ships and building warships to send against them and that shit stopped! Same bunch, different day! Nothing stopped them from slamming into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon. They'll be back and Trump bombing that jackass will have nothing to do with it.
     
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    IF our government does their job they cannot fight us here. Secure the borders and don’t allow them to move here. Bam. Simple stuff. And if they come, make it well known their home country becomes glass. Draw a line and hold it.

    but there hasn’t been a leader or Congress in my lifetime that wouldndo the right thing so I guess we’ll keep screwing things up there and elsewhere.
     
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    Just like every other war we have gone into since the war of northern aggression, Iran will have a Rothschild Central bank in a few years.
     
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    This is what I like about Trump - he lays it on the line and means it.
     
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    Hammer21b I'm you're Huckleberry

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    Big ifs! We cant stop people or drugs from entering our country, wait until they get a hold of a nuke! It’s not if anymore, its when.
     
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    It would be nice if we ended the war we are currently in before entering the next with Iran.
     
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    As I noted earlier, AFAIK all the jihadi attacks in the West were perpetrated by Sunnis. So if we're going to attack anybody, it should be Saudi Arabia.

    The fact that we've been gunning for Iran for years, while being buds with SA, should tell you that US.gov has a very different agenda than the one you described above.

    While America celebrates the death of this guy, know that ISIS is celebrating with you.
     
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    I’m with you, I don’t trust the Saudis any farther than I can shot them! Two faced liars!
     
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    I don’t see Iran committing foreign soil terror. They fund wars with others who have agendas. They use financial measures to allow other groups to do dirty work. Only a FOOL would even joke about wanting to war with Iran. They fought a recent war losing an estimated 1,000,000 people and didn’t even blink. LMAO if anyone thinks a few drone targets will impact their agenda.
     
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    We're still gonna pay for it with blood & treasure. Different song, same dance.
     
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    Cue the whole deep state conspiracy theory.
     
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    I'm with you right down to your conclusion, brother. The sub-forum we're in does not allow me to express my salty version of a response, but suffice it to say that I would not waste one drop of American blood fighting those charming folk over there. OTOH, I'd be more than happy to sign up for whatever broke-axe MOS I could qualify for to fight them if they choose to come this way.

    And yes, I've been to all the places you named -- and several more *including Iran* -- and I'm here to tell you that it makes a difference to me where we fight them because the ones we kill who come over here are the ones who need it. The rest can answer the call to prayer over there forever as far as I'm concerned - as long as they don't try to impose their will on us over here.

    Just my $0.02 worth.
     
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    That's an easy one. Just not sure if it's Carter or Reagan to blame. It happened late 70's early 80's I think. We convinced a booming Saudi Arabia to invest heavily in US bonds. No one knows exactly how much they own, but it's significant. Significant enough to influence policy and buy favor.
     
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    It would be nice if we fought wars with the intent to win, preferably quickly, too.
     
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    Maybe we've been going about this in the wrong way. What if we used traditional, historically proven ways to end conflict?

    Just have our President marry 7 or 8 of their top mullahs' daughters, making them part of our clan, then they can pay dowries and tribute to honor us for as long as their clans live.
     
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    Predictably, Iraqi parliament has passed a resolution calling for the government to abolish the deal under which US.gov is in Iraq. If they are serious about this (and that's not clear yet), let's see if Trump will honor his campaign promises re: America first, and bringing our military home and not engaging in endless war (in which case, this strike might have been 4D chess to accomplish something that the entire DC swamp is opposed to). But of course, our puppermaster Israel will not accept this, and US.gov is Israel first, so we'll stay - against the will of the Iraqi government (there's a term for that - hostile occupation) - on the premise of fighting terrorism wherever it is (ironically overlooking our role as the greatest terrorist threat on the planet).

    So at that point, our military in the ME are targets. Without the aid of Iraqi military, troops in Iraq could just get picked off here and there - no place off base would be safe (even the bases wouldn't be safe - can incoming missles can be fended off with 100% certainty?). If China were in Canada, initially with Canada's approval, and Canada subsequently told them to leave, and Chicoms refused, would we blame Canadians for engaging in guerrilla tactics against the occupying Chicoms? Would we blame Americans who went over the border to help Canada?

    Having our military in countries where we aren't wanted just leaves us sitting ducks - for justifiable attacks by patriotic Iraqis, their Iranian allies, or for a Mossad false flag (because Israel would love for us to go to war with Iran - which of course is why American neocons have had Iran on the short list for decades).

    There is no winning for America here. Bring our troops home, and defend our own borders.
     
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    How is Israel our puppet master, given all the pro-muzz bullshit going on?
     
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    Winning is exactly what you described - honoring the wishes of the Iraqi government and withdrawing US troops, which is also as you described, something that the entire DC swamp has been opposed to.

    The only thing better than simply withdrawing from Iraq would be to withdraw and leave as much of our equipment and supplies as possible with the Kurds.
     
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    Turkish air strikes in northern Iraq? Nah.
     
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    The Middle East is a complicated place. It certainly doesn't help that our MSM has an agenda that has little to do with informing the public. I've been posting on this forum for years that Israel aids Sunni jihadists. Most probably ignored it because the MSM isn't talking about it - but wouldn't it be quite newsworthy if our bestest pal is aiding the the same groups that carry out attacks in the West? Gee, I wonder why our MSM decided to downplay that. If Trump misspells a word in a tweet, MSM tells you. If Trump eats ice cream, MSM tells you how many scoops. Israel, our "best ally", aids Al Qaeda and ISIS, :crickets: from our MSM.

    When reading the following, Al-Nusra is essentially Al Queda in Syria/Iraq. And remember, too, that membership in these Sunni jihadist groups is fluid. There will certainly be lots of crossover between Al-Nusra and ISIS. And there are plenty of Sunnis living in Europe (and perhaps the US as well) who traveled to Syria to fight. If they survive, perhaps with medical aid from our BFF Israel, they eventually come back West, further steeped in their ideology and now battle-hardened.

    https://www.mintpressnews.com/israe...ting-wounded-syrian-al-nusra-fighters/226714/

    https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/R...da-fighters-wounded-in-Syria-civil-war-393862
     
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    It means the democrats should set themselves on fire after converting to Islam.
     
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    Over here is going to be them in two generations: demographics aka birth rates.
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_Alone

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    Read a headline recently saying that anchor baby births (babies born to illegal aliens) have exceeded American citizen births. But nevermind this existential threat, we must police the Middle East.
     
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