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Trying to get a feel for what scope people seem to be going with on their 22 trainers. I will be getting a savage b22 fv-sr soon, looking for glass.

So what do you run? And why?
 
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I run an swfa 3-15x Ffp scope. I wanted a scope with solid turrets and mil/mil recticle/ dialing. I wanted something I could practice dialing and using the reticle.

I have a cz 455 tacticool fyi.
 
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BSA 6-18X40 with 2 sun shields on my Savage MKII varmint

Reviews are mixed but mine is a gem. I wanted something variable with lots of power.. and of course the tacticool factor.. The 36, 38 and 40 turrets drums are pretty handy. I have had it on the rifle for 12 or so years and it has held zero even with changing the drums back and forth. Buyer beware, BSA hatches it's fair share of turds according to reviews.. but for the money, for what it is,, I would buy another..

http://www.bsaoptics.com/scope.aspx?productID=45
 
2 Viper 6.5-20x44. Work great for 22, although they won't focus closer than about 45 yards.
Hasn't been an issue for me, but some want to shoot gnats at 25 yards.

If you are getting a trainer, does that mean you also have a centerfire? Ideal trainer scope is the same you have there. If not, then something with the same reticle, controls, adjustment increments, etc... If the centerfire is still in your future, never mind.
 
I am very happy with my Primary Arms 4-14x44 FFP so far. I'm definitely not an expert so it could be junk and I just don't know it but it's done everything I've asked of it so far. I just ordered another one for my CZ.
 
JimP42 said:
2 Viper 6.5-20x44. Work great for 22, although they won't focus closer than about 45 yards.
Hasn't been an issue for me, but some want to shoot gnats at 25 yards.

If you are getting a trainer, does that mean you also have a centerfire? Ideal trainer scope is the same you have there. If not, then something with the same reticle, controls, adjustment increments, etc... If the centerfire is still in your future, never mind.
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No sir I don't have another bolt action that I shoot often. This is a build to help me with my fundamentals.

@Johnny I was looking at that scope. I have read alot of good about it. I have had several BSA scopes. I have broken 2 of them and had good experiences with their customer service too.
 
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My 2 favorite ones are on the squirrel 455 I run a Nikon 3-9x40 EFR and on the Varmint I run a Leupold VX2 4-12x40 AO. I like these 2 best because of the adjustable objectives so the parallax can be dialed out and the crosshairs are both fine so they do not cover he target to much.
 
Based on recommendations from some people here, I have a Bushnell AR Optics Drop Zone-22 BDC Rimfire Reticle Riflescope with Target Turrets, 2-7x 32mm on my suppressed RAR.

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On my Anschutz 64 s br I have a Weaver T-Series Rifle Scope 36x 40mm Adjustable Objective. I am very happy with this scope. Also it came with a sun shade.
 
Just bought a new CZ455 American in walnut stock. Put Talley Manufactimg scope rings on. Added a mueller 6-18x44 APT with sunshade. First departure from Vortex and Leupold scopes. Love the reticle. Glass is fine for day shooting and low to mid ranges on the dial but at 14 to 18 it becomes the dreaded fish eye.
 
Here's a point to ponder ...

Which do you prefer and why ... Adjustable Objectives or Side Focus for parallax correction?
 
For a hundred yards or less I like the Adjustable Objective. Long distance (i.e. my 308 rem) I prefer adj parallax. Longer distance things start to see more of a mirage. Think that is the right term
 
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I've been running the Vortex Viper 6.5-20x on my rimfires since 2011. I have about eight of them on my different rimfire rifles. I've been recommending this scope for several years and have had about a dozen follow my advice and purchase one or more.

It has good glass, a very usable reticule, solid clicks, and 65MOA of vertical travel.

http://cameralandny.com/spec-sheet....06BDC-Viper&catalog[product_guids][0]=1391978
 
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For a hundred yards or less I like the Adjustable Objective. Long distance (i.e. my 308 rem) I prefer adj parallax. Longer distance things start to see more of a mirage. Think that is the right term
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They both adjust parallax, they both do the same thing. Even the distance is immaterial.
 
So what causes that movie effect like you are watching a Clint Eastwood desert scene even at 100 yards. I don't seem to see that except on my one less expensive scope.
 
Mirage. Yes a cheap piece of glass is rife with it. Higher magnification exacerbtes the condition.
 
Thank you. I bought a Mueller 6-18x44 AO APV. My Vortex scopes and Leupold don't seem to get that picture. Got any suggestions for a future 308 that is less than $1000 and 20x or above? I don't shoot competition and pretty much limited to 250 yards.
 
BlackGun said:
Thank you. I bought a Mueller 6-18x44 AO APV. My Vortex scopes and Leupold don't seem to get that picture. Got any suggestions for a future 308 that is less than $1000 and 20x or above? I don't shoot competition and pretty much limited to 250 yards.
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You are using too much magnification.
MK 4 4-14 x40. Look for one and you can find one for around a grand.
 
I'm pretty much a plinker with my 22's, but my Leupold 3-9x33 EFR is about as nice a scope as
I could hope for. At the range up to 100 yards it is a clear as can be, and with a 3x option it could be a squirrel buster too. I also have a Sightron 4-12 on another rimfire that seems very nice, but I haven't really shot it much yet. Glass is not as clear as the Leupold, but it isn't a hindrance.
 
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You are using too much magnification.
MK 4 4-14 x40. Look for one and you can find one for around a grand.
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I assume you you are referring to a 308 rifle scope in regards to the MK4.

I live 5 miles from the Conover range. If I wanted to shoot some matches with the CZ455 American or purchase another Tacticool what scope would you recommend for competitive shooting. What magnification? I'm new to bolt guns but pretty impressed with the out of the box CZ results. I was shooting 1 inch and .5 groups at 100 Saturday until the wind began. Then I struggled badly trying to use the simple stadia marks on the scope I have.
 
The Green Heron said:
They both adjust parallax, they both do the same thing. Even the distance is immaterial.
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It seems to me side adjust parallax is more precise. I shoot beyond 500 yards now and noticed a difference. May just be me. But it works
 
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It seems to me side adjust parallax is more precise. I shoot beyond 500 yards now and noticed a difference. May just be me. But it works
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No. They are just easier to fine tune with your eye in the scope. The numbers on either aren't set in stone, simply a starting guide. A good side focus knob can be calibrated.
 
BlackGun said:
I assume you you are referring to a 308 rifle scope in regards to the MK4.

I live 5 miles from the Conover range. If I wanted to shoot some matches with the CZ455 American or purchase another Tacticool what scope would you recommend for competitive shooting. What magnification? I'm new to bolt guns but pretty impressed with the out of the box CZ results. I was shooting 1 inch and .5 groups at 100 Saturday until the wind began. Then I struggled badly trying to use the simple stadia marks on the scope I have.
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You need a 20 MOA base for one thing. Keeping your long range adjustments toward the middle of the turret travel is important. If you run close to maximum travel up, you will lose your windage travel. Seen it a hundred times.

At minimum a fixed 16x Super Sniper. They have a lot of travel. A used 16x M 4 is even better, arguably the best scope made for the game at Conover, ask anyone there and they will tell you. A 16x MK4 and the 6.5x20 EFR has logged more wins than any others.
You need a highly repeatable set of turrets. Which comes with quality glass.

Go ask @Apache308 in the competition thread on Conover if you want a second opinion.
 
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Just as a update on mine I went with a BSA sweet 22 6x18x40. So far I really like it. Going to see how well it keeps up. Kinda strange tho is it comes with 3 turrets for different weights. The 40gr turret will not go on but the other 2 will. Emailed BSA.... Just out of curiosity I matched up the markings on all 3 turrets and they are the same. They all line up perfectly. So how are they supposed to compensate for different weights??

@Johnny
 
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Daleo8803 said:
Just as a update on mine I went with a BSA sweet 22 6x18x40. So far I really like it. Going to see how well it keeps up. Kinda strange tho is it comes with 3 turrets for different weights. The 40gr turret will not go on but the other 2 will. Emailed BSA.... Just out of curiosity I matched up the markings on all 3 turrets and they are the same. They all line up perfectly. So how are they supposed to compensate for different weights??

@Johnny
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Those are gimmicks to sell people scopes.
If all EXTERNAL ballistics were the same, that crap might work.
 
The Green Heron said:
Those are gimmicks to sell people scopes.
If all EXTERNAL ballistics were the same, that crap might work.
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Figured as much. I do like the scope just couldn't figure out how it would adjust if the turrets we're all the same. Oh well I will just leave the one on there. Going shooting in a little bit and see how she does at 50 and 85 yds ( the longest I have atm...)
 
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You need a 20 MOA base for one thing. Keeping your long range adjustments toward the middle of the turret travel is important. If you run close to maximum travel up, you will lose your windage travel. Seen it a hundred times.

At minimum a fixed 16x Super Sniper. They have a lot of travel. A used 16x M 4 is even better, arguably the best scope made for the game at Conover, ask anyone there and they will tell you. A 16x MK4 and the 6.5x20 EFR has logged more wins than any others.
You need a highly repeatable set of turrets. Which comes with quality glass.

Go ask @Apache308 in the competition thread on Conover if you want a second opinion.
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Good advise on the 20MOA base. Never really put that into consideration as most people wat the gun down on the barrel. Me I prefer a higher mount purely due to being more comfortable. Never liked the butt of the gun up on the top of the shoulder in order to lay down for a cheek weld.

Saw a good article on having a bad initial scope mount and using lots of clicks to zero. Article basically states correcting for many inches results in changing the angular value on the internal lenses thus making a high quality scope more like a low end scope.
 
My Savage Mk2 22 has a Simmons 8-24x on it. I paid about $190 for it a decade ago. For the price, its been outstanding glass so far.

On my scoped AR, I run a Weaver K4. Its all the magnification I need at DPRC, and its given me no troubles.

My 308 has a Bushnell fixed 10x. Great scope, but I find myself itching for a little more power on that one.
 
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Just as a update on mine I went with a BSA sweet 22 6x18x40. So far I really like it. Going to see how well it keeps up. Kinda strange tho is it comes with 3 turrets for different weights. The 40gr turret will not go on but the other 2 will. Emailed BSA.... Just out of curiosity I matched up the markings on all 3 turrets and they are the same. They all line up perfectly. So how are they supposed to compensate for different weights??

@Johnny
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I have the 3-9x40 version of the sweet 22 on my Remington 597 AAC SD, and it's been good. Glass is pretty clear, and the yardage adjustments work. The turrets are a gimmick, and I leave the same one on all the time. I do like the adjustable objective, especially at close range.
 
Daleo8803 said:
Just as a update on mine I went with a BSA sweet 22 6x18x40. So far I really like it. Going to see how well it keeps up. Kinda strange tho is it comes with 3 turrets for different weights. The 40gr turret will not go on but the other 2 will. Emailed BSA.... Just out of curiosity I matched up the markings on all 3 turrets and they are the same. They all line up perfectly. So how are they supposed to compensate for different weights??

@Johnny
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I somehow missed this Sunday. I'll have a look at mine tomorrow, hopefully I can find the other two.. or it would appear as though I am not out anything if I can't.. lol.
 
I'm not slamming your equipment guys. Well....I guess I am, but you shouldn't be emotionally invested in tools, so don't take it personal.

Why use something like that? What does it teach you about shooting? External ballistics of your ammo?
What happens when that scope breaks? How many mils and/or moa elevation at 112yds?

Owning knowledge is true power. You aren't learning anything when you use gimmicks and "shortcut" gadgets. Gadgets are great if they work, but gadgets that rob you of learning the real art of shooting, are evil.
 
Heron and a few others might go this way but someone has been known to buy a sealed case of rimfire to make sure they are the same lot run. Then run a test on the chrono to verify the velocity of said lot. Then verify/rezero a rifle(s) for the lot. Then adjust any cheat sheets to reflect the slight shift in ballistics of the lot. When you stretch it to the limits OCD can actually be helpful. Gadgets and technology are great but as Heron asked what happens when it takes a dump?
 
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Boys it ain't gotta be cool, it only needs to be functional.
That stock pack? It's not for just looking tacticool, it actually isn't for cool at all.

Shoot your ammo at distance. All the charts in the world are only going to get you in the ballpark. Even if you do clock your speed on a Chrono....it's not much use. I've never clocked any 22 ammo, but I have utmost confidence in hitting my target.
Actual dope is the only way to be sure of hitting your target.
Find good ammo and stick with it. Keep dope cards for that ammo handy.

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This is what you need. Impress your friends.
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You'll notice this is a pretty old dope sheet. The other side has dope too. It has MOA and mils, so I've been using it a while. I need some prettier dope cards, but this one has served me well. Simple.
 
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The Green Heron said:
Boys it ain't gotta be cool, it only needs to be functional.
That stock pack? It's not for just looking tacticool, it actually isn't for cool at all.

Shoot your ammo at distance. All the charts in the world are only going to get you in the ballpark. Even if you do clock your speed on a Chrono....it's not much use. I've never clocked any 22 ammo, but I have utmost confidence in hitting my target.
Actual dope is the only way to be sure of hitting your target.
Find good ammo and stick with it. Keep dope cards for that ammo handy.

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This is what you need. Impress your friends.
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You'll notice this is a pretty old dope sheet. The other side has dope too. It has MOA and mils, so I've been using it a while. I need some prettier dope cards, but this one has served me well. Simple.
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That's awesome!! I haven't had the chance YET to get mine past 50yds. But I will. Found a small note pad that I'm going to keep with the rifle with the dope in:)

Thanks for the info. I'm very new to shooting prone and long range so this all helps me understand what needs to happen to get consistent shots.
 
The Green Heron said:
Boys it ain't gotta be cool, it only needs to be functional.
That stock pack? It's not for just looking tacticool, it actually isn't for cool at all.

Shoot your ammo at distance. All the charts in the world are only going to get you in the ballpark. Even if you do clock your speed on a Chrono....it's not much use. I've never clocked any 22 ammo, but I have utmost confidence in hitting my target.
Actual dope is the only way to be sure of hitting your target.
Find good ammo and stick with it. Keep dope cards for that ammo handy.

View attachment 12669 View attachment 12670 View attachment 12671

This is what you need. Impress your friends.
Edit:
You'll notice this is a pretty old dope sheet. The other side has dope too. It has MOA and mils, so I've been using it a while. I need some prettier dope cards, but this one has served me well. Simple.
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Someone get this man a pack of index cards. :D
 
I'm running a Vortex Crossfire II 6-18x AO on my FVSR. I mainly just wanted enough power to see my hits, an AO, and decent glass. And oh yeah, the warranty.
 
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