What the?? 11.5” barrel AR with a stock...not NFA? WTH???

Polygonal rifling maybe? Maybe some not traditional rifling like the new multi-radial-rifling, and the ATF doesn't consider those rifled barrels?
 
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Horerczy said:
Barrel can't be extending into the upper unless that's a funky proprietary mag with a really short round chambered.

Somehow they got this thing classified as either a pistol or "firearm" (as in doesn't meet any defined classification not AOW) based on the add because it says it's not a rifle or shotgun.
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It’s 2018, anything is possible. Even faster than light travel lol
 
np307 said:
It's the trigger. They have that binary trigger, so if this gun doesn't have a semi auto only trigger, then it isn't technically a rifle. And if it isn't a rifle, it obviously can't be a short barreled rifle. Here's the legal definition of rifle:
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Saw that theory explained as well...

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And if that winds up being the end-around, watch the liberal anti-bumpstock crowd lose what little mind they may have left!! :D
 
BigWaylon said:
Saw that theory explained as well...

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And if that winds up being the end-around, watch the liberal anti-bumpstock crowd lose what little mind they may have left!! :D
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Interesting. I notice the picture shows a giant red triangle on the safety. Are they redesigning the safety, so that you can put it on safe with the trigger pulled, so releasing it doesn't fire the weapon? 'course, I never tried putting on the safety with the trigger pulled back, maybe you can already do that.
 
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You can bet your Sweet Asses that the booth at SHOT SHOW will jam packed about this......

I did 2 pistol builds, with 10.5 barrels, so really in no hurry, for another shorty.....12.5 maybe

Now what bout the AK family? could you do the same thing?????
 
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backwoodsshooter said:
So if this is true then couldn’t one just buy the binary trigger and do the same exact thing at home?
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I had that thought as well. But, you can buy 2.5 stamps for the price of the trigger...last I checked it was $499, so it may have come down.
 
backwoodsshooter said:
So if this is true then couldn’t one just buy the binary trigger and do the same exact thing at home?
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No, because then you would start with a rifle, which is expressly against the law
(4) a weapon made from a rifle if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length;
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BurnedOutGeek said:
Pretty sure he means from a pistol not rifle
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In that case, the advantage that they're pitching for this over a pistol is the use of a real butt stock, as opposed to the 'arm brace' that most use to circumvent SBR law.

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Regarding a stripped receiver, you're probably right on that note. I would think you could do the same thing they're doing, as long as the rifle CANNOT function as a regular semi-auto.
 
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If they build the firearm from a pistol and install their trigger, that might squeeze through. However, don’t you think the most likely outcome would be to define a single function of the trigger as a pull and release, which would make their trigger a machine gun part. It’d play well will the mainstream media.
 
np307 said:
In that case, the advantage that they're pitching for this over a pistol is the use of a real butt stock, as opposed to the 'arm brace' that most use to circumvent SBR law.
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I object to your characterization, many law-abiding Americans use an arm brace specifically to comply with the law, not to circumvent it.
 
np307 said:
Pardon my hasty choice of words. I don't think ill of anyone using an arm brace as such.
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How is it circumventing anything? it's not a stock per definition since it wasn't designed by the manufacturer to be shouldered. Just like the cigarette lighter socket wasn't designed to power your GPS unit.
 
np307 said:
No, because then you would start with a rifle, which is expressly against the law
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Yea should have added doing it from a stripped lower. I roll my own rifles lol from stripped lowers

BigWaylon said:
Or stripped receiver, since it's just a firearm.
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That’s what I was getting at. I never had a use for their binary system so I didn’t know the price of it lol
 
It's equipped with their binary trigger system...

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If you look at the photo from the press release, you can see the selector is switched to "BINARY". I cannot make it out clearly, but the topmost setting may be "SAFE". On the BFS lowers listed on their site, that setting is "SEMI".

If this weapon has a selector with only two settings, SAFE and BINARY, that may be their work-around.

If that's the case, I'd personally have a huge issue with it...not with folks owning them or somehow circumventing the NFA, because I believe folks have the right to own select-fire weapons, independent of .gov permission slips/taxes anyhow. I know .gov doesn't see it that way, but they're wrong about a lotta other sh*t, too.

The big issue I have is if the rifle has only a SAFE and BINARY setting, the only possible way that I can think of to prevent the weapon from discharging a round upon release of the trigger is for the user, after firing the first round, flipping the selector to SAFE while simultaneously keeping the trigger depressed fully rearward.

No thanks.
 
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wsfiredude said:
If this weapon has a selector with only two settings, SAFE and BINARY, that may be their work-around.
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I can’t read it, but this photo seems to show 3 selector settings.

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Sure enough...


Gonna be interesting to see what they do.
 
You have to pull the stock to your shoulder. Sorta like a grip safety. That way it's designed to be fired one handed.
 
What’s the thing circled in red?

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I got it figured out.

You know how you can buy an AR lower marked PISTOL? Well, these are simply marked FIREARM instead. If it's engraved, it must be true!! :eek:
 
BigWaylon said:
I got it figured out.

You know how you can buy an AR lower marked PISTOL? Well, these are simply marked FIREARM instead. If it's engraved, it must be true!! :eek:
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Worked for shotguns. Not surprised someone made a run at it with rifles. I mean, firearms.
 
I looked at their MSRP's and they surely must like them. I can buy a 16" barreled M4 for $499 and install a Fostech Echo II trigger and save a bunch of money!
 
wsfiredude said:
It's equipped with their binary trigger system...


If you look at the photo from the press release, you can see the selector is switched to "BINARY". I cannot make it out clearly, but the topmost setting may be "SAFE". On the BFS lowers listed on their site, that setting is "SEMI".

If this weapon has a selector with only two settings, SAFE and BINARY, that may be their work-around.
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Maybe this one?
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JimB said:
If they build the firearm from a pistol and install their trigger, that might squeeze through. However, don’t you think the most likely outcome would be to define a single function of the trigger as a pull and release, which would make their trigger a machine gun part. It’d play well will the mainstream media.
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This is how I initially read it and bet will be the outcome.
 
Recoil mag just put out a statement that they had not gotten ATF approval. For what that is worth...
 
So they don't have to deal with ATF and FBI agents hounding them for manufacturing and distributing nfa items without the tax stamps being paid.

Likely harder for licensed firearms dealers to plead ignorance of there law where firearms are concerned. Especially when the ad for said item has " No tax stamp" printed on it in large bold letters.
 
Horerczy said:
So they don't have to deal with ATF and FBI agents hounding them for manufacturing and distributing nfa items without the tax stamps being paid.

Likely harder for licensed firearms dealers to plead ignorance of there law where firearms are concerned. Especially when the ad for said item has " No tax stamp" printed on it in large bold letters.
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Ahh.. but since they say it isn't NFA, no need to apply to the crown for permission!
 
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