What the?? 11.5” barrel AR with a stock...not NFA? WTH???

Meeeh...so $2000 for a range toy, thats 4MOA.
I know everyone says that the AR platform is the "modern musket"...these guys really just made one.

For $2k and the market price you could buy/build two AR Pistols with their fancy trigger that actually has practical accuracy.

I applaud the efforts to show that the NFA and GCA are basically obsolete and irrelevant due to modern technology and innovation. A for effort, F for execution.
 
So, $2K for a “4-5 MOA @50 yards” 11.5” AR.... Am I missing something?
I think I can part together an AR pistol with the same barrel length and suitable “accoutrement” for less than half of that. I don’t get the appeal...?
 
Didn't get through the whole video but got to gist of it.

I guess there's a small market for this with people that can't have nfa items due to individual state laws assuming some form of assault weapons ban is not in place.

For the rest of us. AR pistols and just doing an SBR is going to be cheaper and shoot better.
 
ATF guy was probably laughing his ass off when they brought this to him.

It’s more like an evil Mr Smithers laugh waiting to crush them with paperwork once the idea gets to market
 
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I wonder what would happen if you put a suppressor that had "rifled" baffles on the end of it.
 
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I imagine it would strip the bullet vs engaging the rifling that late in the process. Or remove the device from the end of the firearm...
 
Not that I would ever spend the money to get one.
But what happens if you change out the barrel after you did buy one?
What "law" have you broken?
 
Not that I would ever spend the money to get one.
But what happens if you change out the barrel after you did buy one?
What "law" have you broken?
I have been pondering this. That said for the life of me I can't see any clear advatage over a 11.5 pistol especially considering all the new brace options.
 
I imagine it would strip the bullet vs engaging the rifling that late in the process. Or remove the device from the end of the firearm...

Both. There would be jackets and suppressor pieces everywhere
 
Not that I would ever spend the money to get one.
But what happens if you change out the barrel after you did buy one?
What "law" have you broken?

The same law you would have broken if you put a stock on a pistol, or a short upper on a rifle.
 
So how long till 11.5" straight lands and groove barrels start popping up?

Its just for the cost of this thing, I could build a 11.5" pistol + $200 stamp and be under $1000 easily. In fact I bet its possible to build a 11.5" pistol with a echo trigger and stamp it all for about $1000. This thing just seems like a really expensive way to give the middle finger to the ATF.
 
So how long till 11.5" straight lands and groove barrels start popping up?

Its just for the cost of this thing, I could build a 11.5" pistol + $200 stamp and be under $1000 easily. In fact I bet its possible to build a 11.5" pistol with a echo trigger and stamp it all for about $1000. This thing just seems like a really expensive way to give the middle finger to the ATF.
I really don’t even see how it’s giving the ATF the middle finger, unless there’s something I missed. They created something that is practically useless.

Items like a pistol brace, binary trigger, bump stock etc. give the ATF the middle finger by accomplishing a given task that is otherwise illegal without certain permissions, and does it fairly well. This non-rifled bbl is essentially useless. I have to agree with @JimB that the ATF is probably laughing their rear ends off at this stupidity.
 
Dude has a future in spokes-modeling.
 
Somebody needs to get kicked in the jewels for starting this POS just to get Franklin publicity. They will sell some but not to people who really had a certain idea for certain uses. The main thought for me was suppressed subsonic 220gr loads for feral pigs and feral thugs. You really would not run it suppressed and chance baffle strike with straight lands. Keyholing and 4 MOA at 50 yards ... sub loads would be useless and still load while super loads would be shotgun patterning and likely carry less energy due to instability.

The SBR route may cost $200 and filing yearly Form 20 (not hard and the ATF actyis quick on them) but you can list multiple uppers (calibers and lengths) for 1 SBR lower and be way ahead. The wait time is a slight problem but down the road even the pistol brace setup is way better.

Franklin Armory just pulled a publicity stunt in my eyes that any serious gun owner will see as almost useless.
 
Franklin Armory just pulled a publicity stunt in my eyes that any serious gun owner will see as almost useless.


I think they've just proven the exception to the "No such thing as bad publicity" rule.


This thing would make me seriously reconsider any purchase from these guys.
 
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I’d buy one on close out at $700 just to say that I have one of the worst gun ideas ever. I wonder how many barrels they ordered?
 
Watch. They will sell.

It's a safety feature! You can use this for home defense, and the bullets won't go through as many walls sideways!
:)
 
I wonder what would happen if you put a suppressor that had "rifled" baffles on the end of it.
You would have manufactured/redesigned it into an SBR. So both mechanically and legally bad things would happen.
 
Maybe this will inspire some barrel manufacturers to make some short straight lands and grooves barrels chambered for heavy hitter rounds like 450 bushy or 458 socom. Those would make more sense in this setup.
 
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