Which one are you?

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Which one are you?

  1. Gloom and Doom

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  2. Hopeful

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  1. J R Green

    J R Green Member Charter Life Member

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  2. Cowboy

    Cowboy Glances can deceive

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    So its women that worry? I say we bring back the soap opera's and all this will end.
     
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    Catfish RIP 1791-2018 Charter Member Supporting Member

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    This is the “two movies on one screen” idea. I try to make sure I can see both movies because neither one is 100% lies and neither one tells the whole truth.
     
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    Interesting watching the media try to bury the good news under the noise. Manafort, 3D guns, Russia; it's getting absurd.

    Almost all categories have lower unemployment. New info on wages say they went up too. But hey, Russia, Russia, Russia. The amazing part is how much he has been able to get done even with all the attempt to destroy him.
     
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  5. DrPhudd

    DrPhudd Joe thinks I'm clever

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    Just think where we would be if we had a likable POTUS that could speak and sound intelligent that was also liberty minded and a good businessman.
    I like Trump but I swear I could eat alphabet soup and poop out more intelligent tweets. Heck, if the Libertarians put up another Bill Weld I will be voting Trump next time. If for no other reason than to see the snowflake heads explode.
     
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  6. Howland

    Howland Your daily dose of snark

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    The economy is fairly strong but there are underlying dangers.

    For starters, $21T in monetized debt and an additional $85-200T in promises is just unsustainable. The Fed has kept interest rates artificially low for the past ten years but is about to let the reigns loose.

    A deep state has removed the masks and gloves to subvert a republic which is almost gone to serve a lesson in just who are the true masters.

    I'd love to be optimistic, my blood pressure would thank me, but there is simply no foundation upon which to lay those hopes.

    This can't possibly end well.
     
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    Catfish RIP 1791-2018 Charter Member Supporting Member

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    I think the tone and style of the tweets is no accident. You may be missing the point.
     
  8. Flashpoint

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    Hopeful that the end is near and I'll be able to make use of my preps!

    LOL, no not really. I'm not near prepared enough.

    I am hopeful, but if Trump had not won I thin I would have voted different.
     
  9. Mightyox04

    Mightyox04 Das Ox

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    I like trump and I think we are headed down the right path.
     
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  10. Trevillian

    Trevillian Peasant pennies advocate Charter Member Supporting Member

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    Those issues were already there. ...As you said it’s been “artificially low for ten years”. Somehow since the enonomy is growing exponentially for the first time in years everyone screams about how financial improvement will be the death of us? How would continuous “seek help/relief” policy have fixed this?

    Yeah, ask the tax man who is owed money to, what happens when you have more income... They expect more.. Think that’s kinda how it works...

    Trump was voted in to end that train of thought. Upset the norm. What he campaigned on is the path to correct the issues.. worst case scenario... Burn the establishment to the ground. Start over.

    Oh wait? Despite everyone doing everything they can to find a way to discredit the PRESIDENT at EVERY level. He is indeed making the country financially viabale as we once were, and as a reaction other nations/entities what have you are saying, “oh yeah? Pay up!”

    Still better than owing even more and making even more citizens dependent on the dole. Much less importing them cause “feels” and placing them on that same dole to “help”....
     
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    Windini Plank Charter Life Member

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    Couldn't cast a vote: there was no C: All of the above!

    I am both, depending on which hour of what day you ask me.
     
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    HMP Well-Known Member Vendor

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    Hopeful.
    I plan to be around for quite some time, aint got time to worry all the time and think the sky is falling.
     
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    Button Pusher Well-Known Member Benefactor

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  14. Ferrisfan

    Ferrisfan Got here as soon as I could Supporting Member

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    More gloom than hope. Not for the reasons in the cartoon, but because of the level of acceptance of the pro-socialism movement and the level of face time the anti gun crowd gets.
     
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    Or we didn't have belligerent jerks on the left hell bent on destroying their opponent even if it means taking the country down with him.

    Most of the folks that hyperventilate about what Trumps says or does don't get it. And they are not the ones he is talking too either. Trumps an oddity. Either he is a genius at knowing what his folks want, or even with the large bank account he's still a simple guy. I have a buddy that ran into him at one of his properties and said he couldn't have been nicer or more helpful. And my buddy is a truck driver, just making a delivery. If a billionaire treats a truck driver nice and makes that kind of impression, it makes me think he's a pretty simple guy. And liberal elites don't get, and don't like, simple people. They see things black and white, right and wrong, and are harder to manipulate.
     
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    Some people got fabulously wealthy during the great depression. Things can suck and you can do really well, and vice versa. It really depends on if your industry has been favors by the powers that be. Yeah, yeah, work harder and you will be fine. Tell that to the coal industry and parts of the energy sector during the Obama years. And low and behold biotech and pharma has rocked since the ACA passed. Well force money into a sector and those people make more money. Same with higher education. Offsr up low or zero interest loans and a sector booms. Here's some numbers.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-03/its-not-all-good-here-real-problem-deep-inside-jobs-report
     
  17. chiefjason

    chiefjason Vendor and Leather Hack Charter Member Vendor

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    There are some odd things going on where I work like the article mentions. The company we contract with does not hire any of the employees out on the floor. They work for a temp agency but get full time benefits from the company. I'm sure it's cheaper, but it creates zero real culture in the company as far as I can tell. And they go through a lot of people. They decided to move that model to the job that I do and took back several facilities that we had contracted. They pay a good bit less, pay no extras that we get, no hourly pay, and might get benefits if they can afford them at that pay. So they want to pay less, but get the same or better employee. And it's been an absolute disaster. Retention is a joke. Quality of employee is a joke. Jobs are not getting done. And the company does not seem to care and is just pushing straight ahead with it. We are moving more product than we have moved in a decade, and they are dead set on cutting cost from the bottom. And now they are starting to look back to us to fill the gaps when their cheap labor quits. Guess what? We don't have the manpower to fill the holes. And you can't keep someone around to work sometimes. When they don't get work they leave. There has been no shortage of work, and I made a lot of money doing extra stuff this summer; so it really concerns me when a company takes up cost cutting measures when they are this busy. Massive retirements in management did not help. New guys looking to justify their salary and all. Overall, it's a train wreck when we should be doing better than ever.
     
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    A decade into a supposed recovery and things are finally starting to perk up for the little guy. Sorry, but a little tangible economic growth doesn’t means let the good times roll. There are still serious underlying issues with the economic system, starting with a service economy that buys cheap manufactured junk from communists.
     
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    Ferrisfan Got here as soon as I could Supporting Member

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    It is an ongoing spiral. I work as a contractor to pharma to save them money, then my own company outsources some of what we used to do in-house to subs in order to save our own company money. We also outsource all of our HR stuff, medical, IT...I figure there must be 10 guys in India working their asses off with as much stuff as we now outsource...even though we have the skills to do it ourselves.
     
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  20. 9outof10mms

    9outof10mms Purveyor of Professional Enginerding Supporting Member

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    You're being condescending! That could be two doods or two woMen.
     
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    This can be a real problem: https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-story-of-asus-and-dell
    The story of how Dell pretty much outsourced themselves out of the consumer PC market. They kept outsourcing to Asus who learned from it and then made their own cheaper.

    Older article but Cisco had issues with this too: https://www.strategy-business.com/article/19984?gko=e4f2f
     
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    Yeah there are so e serious fundamental issues that will cause pain at some point. I don't remember the article I posted in another thread at some point, but basically if you look at all of our supposed growth in GDP it about exactly matches the monetary easing, eh inflationary money printing, the Fed has done. So we have really had zero true growth. And if you had enough people and computers to track it down that growth pretty much goes into industries and companies that are favored by the Gov. So anything healthcare or health insurance related after the ACA. Defense contractors of course. Banking as usual. Silicon valley hi-tech including our good rent seeker Elon Musk. Sure some smaller companies and industries get to suck at the teat a little bit, but we basically have a very planned controlled economy with winners and losers picked by Gov and its buddies. For most of us normal people we just need to find our little place and hope we don't get totally demolished when all the phony bubbles start collapsing. It will be interesting, or scarey, to see if Trump's policies eleviate these problems or speed up the implosion.
     
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    My neighbored worked for Cisco as a VP running an engineeering group. He used to rant about how the outsourcing was killing them. My other neighbor works at Quintiles and they are doing it as we speak.
     
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    Imma bet that's all they care about.....
     
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    Or whether the powers that be/deep state/whatever you call it manipulate the economy as a weapon against Trump. All it takes is some interest rate hikes, some “bad news” and “loss of confidence” endlessly hyped in the financial media, and maybe a significant event or two to trigger a collapse. I am pretty convinced that will happen, my question is whether they will use it for this midterm going for broke on impeachment, or will save it for his second run in 2020.
     
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    I would guess 2020. The midterms would be risky, as they're already at a statistical disadvantage based on past cycles. 2020 would make more sense in that it's not as big of a congressional cycle so it would have less risk and have better chances of ousting Trump. They would likely prefer a D in the Oval Office if they have congress locked down.
     
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    We have had 10 years since the “bubble” popped in 2008.. Some how in 2017 the economy went from neutral or marginal growth at best, to nothing but positive gains in the last 18 months. Btw. Sensible/successful business owners don’t run a yearly plan they run a decade plan...

    Of course the economic system is still garbage... Do you really believe that the plans and policies since 2008 are just now taking effect??? The efforts of the last administration did nothing during their tenure but were wholly meant to quantify the plan after the fact? “Oh let’s set this up so when we control a third term, the republic will see why we are the leaders of the people”. BS

    The trade deals of several decades are being blown apart. Clearly the cheap way was overseas... now everyone screams about how making these inferior products from overseas harder to come by is horrible for America and bad for business... no kidding?? It makes it tough to forge ahead??


    Again, as mentioned from the unquoted part of my post. The current administration is either exactly what our nation needs or will burn the establishment to the ground. More of the same is not what was/is needed. Hence the majority deciding that the unknown is preferable to the same ol song and dance that leads deeper into the abyss..
     
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    Agreed. I think Trump was some part of the collective psyche of We athe People waking up. Whether it stays awake or goes back to sleep, time will tell. However, the economy is still bigger than the power of that office.
     

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