Who's ready for WW3?

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/04/11/idiocy-bringing-end-world/


"People in Ghouta, doctors in Ghouta, and Russian experts who have arrived on the scene report that there is no sign of any chemical attack. Not only did Syria not use chemical weapons against the civilians that it liberated, there was no chemical attack, not even a false flag one staged by the US supported mercenaries who have been driven out of Ghouta by the Syrian Army. In other words, the chemical attack is entirely a hoax.

To keep the hoax from being confirmed by independent investigation, Washington vetoed a UN Security Council resolution to send in neutral experts to evaluate the claim of chemical attack. Why would Washington prevent an investigation that would prove Washington’s allegation? Clearly, Washington would only prevent an investigation that would disprove the false allegation. There is no doubt whatsoever that Washington’s allegation is false and is being used as an excuse to force Russia to fight or to accept Washington’s hegemony in the Middle East.
 
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Russia warned a month ago that this false flag was coming.

US planning missile and bombing raid against Damascus: http://tass.com/world/993678

Militants are preparing a provocation with the use of chemical agents in Syria to justify a massive US strike against Damascus’ government neighborhoods, Chief of Russia’s General Staff Valery Gerasimov said on Tuesday.

According to Gerasimov, Russia has hard facts about preparations for staging the use of chemical weapons against civilians by the government forces.

After the provocation, the US plans to accuse Syria’s government forces of using chemical weapons.


As I said earlier, I believe Trump wants out of Syria, and he said as much mere days before this [very convenient] chemical attack - but that's not going to work for America's neocons and Israel (and of course AIPAC).

Donald Trump Wants Out of Syria. Israel Thinks That’s a Problem: https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east...yria-israel-thinks-that-s-a-problem-1.5976689

There are forces stronger than POTUS at play here. America's shotcallers will never let Assad regain control of Syria. And Iraq, Libya, Syria will not be the end of this not-America-first agenda.

I wonder how many miles of fencing we could build for the price of the Tomahawk missiles we are going to waste in Syria? You know, fencing, like Israel has and that has resolved its illegal immigration problem.
 
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wsfiredude said:
And I assure you that part of the fallout from all of this will be an attempt to separate American citizens from even more of their liberty...for our own good, of course.
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Of course. You can bet some of these jihadis training (including training by American forces) and fighting in Syria will be coming to the West, and domestic attacks will be used to justify further curtailment of freedom (and not immigration!).
 
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The ones pulling the strings (and profiting handsomely) want conflict.

Hope I'm wrong, but I look for some 'event' to be the catalyst in order to turn public opinion in favor of going to war.

Cue the Lee Greenwood music.
 
Interesting take:

Russia controls Douma, guarantees impartial investigation; that makes US attack MORE likely
http://theduran.com/russia-controls-douma-guarantees-impartial-investigation-us-attack-more-likely/

Separately, a meme that makes the point a few of us have been making about what one must believe about Assad's thought process in order to believe US.gov's narrative on this.
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drypowder said:
Separately, a meme that makes the point a few of us have been making about what one must believe about Assad's thought process in order to believe US.gov's narrative on this.
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Rationality is irrelevant; when the media or politicians wail about "gassing civilians" or scream "Russia" we are all supposed to be programmed to salivate like Pavlov's dogs.
 
I can honestly say that I’m more than starting to view my country as the “bad” guy here.

wsfiredude said:
And I assure you that part of the fallout from all of this will be an attempt to separate American citizens from even more of their liberty...for our own good, of course.
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When politicians try to separate the people from their freedoms, the people need to separate the politicians from their lives.
 
Right now the US narrative is...we don't know who did it. The intel apparatus from the US, France, and Britain are all assessing the intel, and no conclusions have been drawn. That may or may not be different from what the non-professional, elected officials think or believe.
 
Personally, I think it's a ploy between Trump and Putin to take the pressure off the investigation. ;)
 
Why do we, the collective US, still believe that Russia is our enemy?
The Cold War is over, let it go.

There are far worse people out there than Russia, I'd rather have them on our side versus getting into another conflict with them.
 
HMP said:
Why do we, the collective US, still believe that Russia is our enemy?
The Cold War is over, let it go.

There are far worse people out there than Russia, I'd rather have them on our side versus getting into another conflict with them.
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yep, couldn't agree more.
 
HMP said:
Why do we, the collective US, still believe that Russia is our enemy?
The Cold War is over, let it go.

There are far worse people out there than Russia, I'd rather have them on our side versus getting into another conflict with them.
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I would say Russia is our enemy or rival in a lot of areas. But so is every country on some level. I'd also say our neighbor to the south is a lot more of an imminent problem to the average US citizen than Russia is. But maybe Russia is a bigger threat to the people in charge. Oil pipelines into Europe and various geo-political issues are likely a bigger topic for the ruling class than us. We just don't want our friends and family members raped and murdered by invaders. We mostly simple like that.
 
I understand their oil and natural gas pipeline infrastructure, or, at least, have a basic grasp on it.
But, again, why are they the boogy man all of the time? Its been close to 3 decades since the end of the Cold War, how long will they be our mortal enemy?

Which, also, why do we hate Assad so much? Why must we remove him from his power?
Are the gas attacked confirmed? I mean, we were sold on WMDs and going into Iraq etc and yet...where were they? Yes, they could have been moved.
I just dont get the hate for the guy.
And someone else said it, he's keeping some things in check. Removal of Hussein, a friend of ours in the 80s, was a bad mistake and allowed terrorists groups to thrive.



You mentioned, CZ, the geopolitical issues - I'd recommend a book called The Next 100 Years, George Friedman, I think, is the author. I think you'd like it. I think many would.
 
HMP said:
Why do we, the collective US, still believe that Russia is our enemy?
The Cold War is over, let it go.

There are far worse people out there than Russia, I'd rather have them on our side versus getting into another conflict with them.
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Russia is....complicated. They are our enemy in several areas; in others, they are our allies. Aside from China they are our only peer competitor.

Cold War part 1 is over. There was a latent period, 1991-2005ish, now we are in Cold War part 2.
 
Regardless of the break up of the Soviet Union and the 'new' Russia they are still evil, rotten commies. As is virtually all of our Democrat Party. So we should be leeery of them. They do try to sow dissent and chaos here whenever they can. And they have plenty of willing accomplices.

Syria is probably more complicated than any of us know, but the 2 competing oil pipelines to Europe are reason enough for powers in the US to want him out, and a friendly puppet installed. Exactly why Russia can't let him fall. Unless they can get another puppet of theirs running the show. There's probably also a lot of my penis is bigger than yours going on. Who can make who back down and show strength to orhers. Russia sees a weakened US President because our country is split and he is being assaulted internally from every angle. Better for Russia to push now than at a time when we are unified.
 
IIRC, Biblically, Russia sides with the US against China. Not in my lifetime, I hope.

But...

I prefer peace. But if trouble must come, let it come in my time, so that my children can live in peace.

Thomas Paine
 
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Chuckman said:
Right now the US narrative is...we don't know who did it. The intel apparatus from the US, France, and Britain are all assessing the intel, and no conclusions have been drawn. That may or may not be different from what the non-professional, elected officials think or believe.
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I saw Nikki Haley say "We definitely have enough proof."

And recall that in 2017, after the Khan Sheikhoun gas attack, we were told it was Assad, and used this as justification to strike Syria with Tomahawk missiles. Months later, Sec. of Defense Mattis acknowledged the US has no evidence that this gas attack was perpetrated by the Syrian government.
NOW MATTIS ADMITS THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE ASSAD USED POISON GAS ON HIS PEOPLE: OPINION: http://www.newsweek.com/now-mattis-...ence-assad-using-poison-gas-his-people-801542

Lost in the hyper-politicized hullabaloo surrounding the Nunes Memorandum and the Steele Dossier was the striking statement by Secretary of Defense James Mattis that the U.S. has “no evidence” that the Syrian government used the banned nerve agent Sarin against its own people.

This assertion flies in the face of the White House (NSC) Memorandum which was rapidly produced and declassified to justify an American Tomahawk missile strike against the Shayrat airbase in Syria.

Mattis offered no temporal qualifications, which means that both the 2017 event in Khan Sheikhoun and the 2013 tragedy in Ghouta are unsolved cases in the eyes of the Defense Department and Defense Intelligence Agency.
 
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@drypowder this morning GEN Mattis said they had no conclusive evidence who did it. I listen to him WAY before I read tweets or read what Haley or Bolton say.
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Given the mixed messages from US.gov, let's hope Mattis forces more investigation than the "investigation" that was purportedly performed in the 2017 attack.

America's think tanks (which are hardly America first) are flooding the news with their talking heads insisting US.gov attack, just as they did in 2017.

I would love to hear from US.gov their explanation for why Assad would resort to a gas attack while the Syrian Army was beating the jihadists, and just days after Trump said he wanted to pull American forces out of Syria. "Cui bono" should certainly apply when trying to identify the perpetrator of an alleged war crime; similar to how prosecutors seek to establish motivation in intentional crimes.
 
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11B CIB said:
I think this is all fluff and posturing just like everything else has been. Two months ago we were on the brink of war with the Norks. Now for sure it’s Syria. C’mon, take a deep breath.
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But we’ve always been at war with Eurasia.
 
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