Why haven't you been to a training class?

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In this great area of ours you have some of the best firearms training going on.

I have noticed a steady drop in attendance over the last 3 years as a whole

Is it just me? Or why have you not attended a course from site supporters or others?
 
I've been to 3 training classes in the last year not counting competitions. The funds only go so far. I want to take the mildot course next.
 
Please don't infract me for laziness, but it's distance to you specifically, John. I know there are many in the Charlotte region who have made this excuse nothing more than a bad excuse since they've made the trek to you, but it's the icing on the deal breaker cake for me. The core of that cake is scarce funds lately. I really wanted to do the force on force, to the point where I was considering selling a kid to make it, but ultimately the distance and cost killed it for me.

Until then, this lucky rabbit's foot should do the trick, no?
 
Buisness in the last few years has declined as a whole. People are not spending money.

Oh they spend it on quick "gratificationary" items, that give them a quick feel good. Food and vacations.
I see the decline more and more. People need to realize, if they don't help stimulate the economy, all the smaller, customer specific businesses will be gone and all that will be left is Walmart.
 
Because you refuse to offer fire and maneuver from a gimp suit despite several formal requests.


Actually with me it's just been time. Between the site and 2 jobs I have worked 6 or 7 days a week for most of the last 6 months.

On the days I didn't work I have to take care of other personal business.

Hoping things will calm down here shortly so I can start attending and getting back into competitive shooting.
 
injury and lack of time for me, but the bigger issue I think is that there is less pressure with T in office. Folks are dumb, instead of preparing during the lull they move on to other things. We are like crows chasing the next shiny bit of foil.
 
My gun money/fun money is a "want", not a "need." I have to pay for grad school, a looming $16-18K septic repair, etc., so what we do with what's left over at the end of the paycheck depends on the needs of the time. Sometimes I can sock away a little money here and there, when I do, I will take a class.
 
Time and money primarily. Money has become a less significant factor lately, free time is the big mitigating factor.

Dying to do force-on-force handgun, and a carbine course along with my wife, and long range rifle for myself.

There are simply higher priority needs that have to be addressed before I can justify spending the time and money to do it.
 
Most of the training I see posted here seems to be more "tactical" or military style "force on force" type stuff which isn't for everybody.

Never seen classes like this geared toward competition, which is why I went to a private instructor with a reputation in that type of shooting.

It seems like more people are getting into competition shooting, maybe something like that might generate some interest? Something somebody can take to give them a little confidence on range commands, expectations, gear, etc.
 
One of these days I want to just sit down in a private class for long distance shooting... I neither have the desire or time to compete at the moment. As for why I haven't done it yet, I work 50+ hours a week, have a toddler, have a kid on the way, and I'm a full time student. Shooting takes a back seat at the moment. :)
 
@JBoyette ...Where else do you advertise or otherwise work to drum up business?
 
Same issues or excuses as everyone else....
Time.
Money.
Other Obligations.

I'd love to be able to shoot a match ever weekend and go to a training class every few months, but life...
 
One issue I have that really hasn't been mentioned is that my weekends being free tend to be rather spontaneous. I have a difficult time planning things months out. I never know what will come up with my kids schedules, my wife needing stuff, or anything above. So usually when I get to shoot a match I make the final call the week or even the night before. That's generally why I try to keep PHA, Alphas, and CCGC on my calendar.

It's impossible really to call a trainer on Friday and say "hey, you wanna train Saturday?" Not saying it's impossible, but generally that isn't how classes are set up.


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I wonder what is the right mix of cost to time for everyone?

I see the cost of ammunition + tuition + travel adds up QUICKLY.

I get that.

I want to find a good balance of it to reach more students.

What do you think is a wise mix?
 
I wonder what is the right mix of cost to time for everyone?

I see the cost of ammunition + tuition + travel adds up QUICKLY.

I get that.

I want to find a good balance of it to reach more students.

What do you think is a wise mix?


And we want you to reach those students, the more of us actually trained the better. I am a "I want everyone packin" kinda guy most of the time. But I'd rather have one guy who knows what he is doing with me over 100 guys who watched John Wick 75 times.

I do know that in the past your "shotgun/pistol/rifle" classes drew good crowds. But I also know they were a lot of work for minimal payoff. Were done as a marketing expense, not really as a profit driver.


Have you considered contacting local gun stores and cut a deal that for each student reference you get you will kick back some coin. Every day they sell guns to people who may barely know which end goes bang. Having a card or some materials so that the salesman can say "We also have a deal with a local firearms expert who offers beginner/intermediate/advanced classes." It's a sales enhancer for them, costs nothing, and can earn them a residual.

At some of your classes you will have an example of a rifle you are currently selling. This is cool and I know you have sold a few this way. However, many people at classes don't have a spare $800-1,500 sitting around. So I recommend taking some of your stock and keeping it in a container in your truck. While running a class someone comments on that sweet Acosta leg rig, well, tell them you have extras. They like tacos? Lucky them, you have one. Notice them struggling with their glasses, we have that too.

You already have the stock, just bring some with you. Our duck guide is a master decoy carver. We used to always tell him that he should keep a few decoys he made in his rig. Someone has a good hunt you can always sell a decoy. He would say "Well, they just have to tell me and I'll send them one later." Well, the moment is over. A few days later the hunter is back home with his wife, kids, problems, work...he won't buy the decoy.

Long story short...toss some slings, pouches, ear pro, glasses, magazines, bags, belts, triggers, build kits, optics, whatever that you have taking up space into a container and be ready to move that stuff on the spot when the iron is hot. Heck, I've seen you futz with enough people's crap slings that you could have funded a few house notes.

As far as the content of your courses, or even the pricing and timing I have no ideas. Your cost per hour is extremely good, you schedule well, and your special events are wonderful. I feel with these you are fighting things like family obligations and so forth. Not much to do with those.

The only thing that even remotely could be considered a class recommendation would be to reach out to some local businesses, or even sponsors here and set up a "team building range day" event. There was a recent article on Mike Rowe of Dirty Jobs fame taking his crew on a team building trip to the range. Could be untapped potential. There are probably enough business owners or business men here on CFF that you could get something at least brewing.

Theme music. You don't have a theme song. When I get out of the car at one of your classes I need to be hearing Rammstein or Slayer. Hire someone to carry a boom box around the range with you. Bonus points if they are red headed, a midget, or speak Russian. Triple points for a red headed Russian midget.


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Family, distance, time and after 30 years of Army training and deployments, I just dont know what I want besides some LD shooting instructions. Also my daughter is bleeding me dry for a wedding! Last month alone I spent about 6k for pictures, dress, venues and down payment on the DJ. If I come out of this with my Azz intact, I'm planning on your LD class.
 
Family, distance, time and after 30 years of Army training and deployments, I just dont know what I want besides some LD shooting instructions. Also my daughter is bleeding me dry for a wedding! Last month alone I spent about 6k for pictures, dress, venues and down payment on the DJ. If I come out of this with my Azz intact, I'm planning on your LD class.
as someone who just got married, I'm sure words can't even express how much she appreciates you helping out.

the reason I haven't done any training is because of distance, at 4 hours away its tough. but I'd like to figure something out
 
My main issue is distance (I live west of the middle point of SC), then it's time. With work, I spend a *quality* hour or so with my son during each week day (this doesn't count getting dressed, bath time, etc) before he goes to bed. I try to make up for it on the weekend.
 
@JBoyette I would be very interested in taking a few advance carry classes and a intro class to the proper use of a ar15( home defense, etc). I live in rock hill SC and I don't mind driving for a good class. I can't make your April 1st class. When will the next one be?

Also maby try offering a competition style class( IDPA, uspsa, etc) I would love to take a class from someone who has more experience than me as I'm just really starting out in the shooting sports.
 
Well, good thing Boyette was the pilot...


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That wasn't aimed at anyone in particular, I've just met a few "tactical trainers" that ramble on in the most ridiculous fashion.
 
Time, money and not wanting to pay a bunch to listen to some tool blather on about his time as a space shuttle door gunner.

Come on... thats the coolest part.. "space shuttle streaming along at 17500 mph and there I was with the zero-g manpack urban grey phalynx ciws with talon grips mentally calculating the impact of near zero gravity and near zero atmosphere on the ballistic trajectory.."
 
Hmmm, I thought I posted in here but dont see it now.

Anyway, it comes down to time and money.
I work, officially, six days a week. And on the 7th day I usually do a little for my main job too, but not necessary.
But the thing is, when I have that one day a week I dont want to spend it at the range all day.
It is why I dont shoot as many matches anymore. I know theyre super fun to do, some great folks at them...but dang, there goes about 1/3 of my day.

And then the cost, most are more than I can justify spending at this time. I am a new home owner and dealing with that as well as other wants that come before dropping a few hundred bucks on training with my guns.

But one day...
 
I have been. Several classes in the last few years.
You were at the last one we attended. I plan to take more. When I've gone, I've brought my wife so my costs were effectively double. Combined we've taken six classes in the last year: pistol, carbine, and force on force.
 
I will need an additional cash stream (outside of the normal) to make it a regular thang. I really enjoy training and acquiring new skills. I can even afford a little time to dedicate. The cost of ammo and classes would limit training significantly. When I get started reloading maybe that will help and training can be a regular thing.
 
@JBoyette , you may have done this already, but I don't recall it in recent years. Have you considered coming to Charlotte and other regions for a weekend of training...assuming, of course, that you get enough pre-registered to make it worth your while. I know this would remove my biggest hurdle of getting in on your training. I've had two false starts on your classes, registering and thinking I was good to go, only to get into a financial crunch that made it unfeasible for me to travel and incur extra expenses. Maybe trainers are supposed to stick to their turf or something, but personally, I don't see amny (if any at all) Charlotte area trainers with a presence on this forum swooning customers like you, John. IN other words, you've earned my business, I just need to get my business to you!...in a non-gay way, of course.
 
Maybe you could offer a "yearly" membership? One time payment and folks can take any or all of your classes for the year. There would need to be a discount rate for the yearly membership too.
 
I haven't seen anyone throw out the obvious answer..
Because I'm already a straight up tacti-beast and need no more formal training.
 
I haven't seen anyone throw out the obvious answer..
Because I'm already a straight up tacti-beast and need no more formal training.

Yeah, I'm already Jason Bourne and Seal Team 6 all rolled into one. They should be paying me to attend.
 
I haven't seen anyone throw out the obvious answer..
Because I'm already a straight up tacti-beast and need no more formal training.

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