Why no PC bullpups?

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For whatever reason I'm stuck on a pistol caliber weapon for HD. I don't expect intruders to be wearing body armor and I just feel like I'd rather be shooting a PC in my hallway than a 5.56. Yes I know all the arguments otherwise but I'm stubborn, so there.

I want my HD PCC to be short. Real short. Currently my bedside HD weapon is a EP9 which is designed for and wearing a pistol brace. If the ATF is banning the things I have to rethink how I can replace it with something similarly short but legal, and I've always liked bullpups.

But there are no PC bullpups! Anyone know of any kits for a Ruger PC or similar? Lots of bullpup shotguns out there now, that might be my fallback, but I'd really like a PC bullpup if I can find one.
 
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I believe Steyr makes their AUG in 9mm, or there's conversion kits. But why would you want a pistol caliber for home defense? (KIDDING!)

Personally, I don't know if I'd use an aftermarket bullpup kit for personal safety though. Whenever I've had a problem with a gun, it's usually something that didn't come from the factory.

EDIT: I just did a quick search and there doesn't seem to be many around.....so.....disregard.
 
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Rowsdower said:
www.midwayusa.com

CZ Bullpup Stock Kit Scorpion Evo 3 S1 Polymer Black

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They haven't sold well and most retailers are slashing prices on them. You'll need a rifle length Scorpion to complete it.
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Maybe I should have specified I'm cheap. 🤣

Not gonna pay over $1K for a PCC, but thanks for the suggestion!
 
Rowsdower said:
Hey, a Hi Point is already shorter than any standard 16 inch PCC.

They make a bullpup stock for it too.
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It's probably not as short as my Beretta CX4, but HP 995s are dead nuts reliable. I hate their mags, and an aftermark stock of some kind is imperative. I refuse to own a weapon that makes me wince when my eyes fall on it. 😁
 
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Honestly if you want to stay on the budget side of thing - most bill pups will be out. Generally you buy the base gun and then a kit
To convert.
I too like PCC for home defense work, but I opted for a short barreled 9mm with a pistol brace. Very short and handy
 
Fred said:
The point of a bullpup is to have a longer barrel in a shorter platform. 5.56 has much better performance from a 16 inch barrel than a 8 inch. A 9mm carbine with a 4 or 5 inch barrel has the barrel length and performance it was designed to have. So there's not much performance to gain by using a longer barrel.
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Does a 9mm projectile perform worse in a 16" barrel as opposed to a 4 or 5" barrel?
 
It's not a bullpup, but the Beretta CX4 is very short overall and handles well in tight quarters. 30 round magazines are available too.
 
BrettB said:
Honestly if you want to stay on the budget side of thing - most bill pups will be out. Generally you buy the base gun and then a kit
To convert.
I too like PCC for home defense work, but I opted for a short barreled 9mm with a pistol brace. Very short and handy
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Like this? :) This is what my HD setup is now. I'm just exploring options if this doesn't pass the ATF rulings in August.

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Timfoilhat said:
It's not a bullpup, but the Beretta CX4 is very short overall and handles well in tight quarters. 30 round magazines are available too.
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You are correct. I've got one of those too in 40S&W and that's why I like it so much. They saved about 3" in length by keeping the magwell in the pistol grip. I don't know why more PCCs don't follow that design. My Sub2K does but it's the only other one I know of.
 
Catfish said:
You Might start by evaluating this statement. How does your configuration score?
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I've been reading some more about that and I may have jumped the gun thinking it would automatically fail. Now I'm not at all sure it won't pass, but if it doesn't it will be worthless to me because I have no intention of SBRing anything. Of course we won't know for sure until they post the final version of the checklist, and then unloading braced weapons will be much less equitable than it would be now. :(
 
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Flashpoint said:
My Sub2K does but it's the only other one I know of.
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Your sub2k is 29.5" OAL, and any actual bullpup rifle is going to be 26" minimum so you almost have a bullpup 9mm that's only 3" longer than the legal minimum. Not bad for something you already own and are familiar with.
 
Jayne said:
Your sub2k is 29.5" OAL, and any actual bullpup rifle is going to be 26" minimum so you almost have a bullpup 9mm that's only 3" longer than the legal minimum. Not bad for something you already own and are familiar with.
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True but the sub is not the best platform for a HD setup. Once you add a light, RDS, etc. you've destroyed the attributes that make the sub2k great, a simple, compact quickly deployable carbine. And it's not a bullpup. :) I thought my CX-4 was shorter but it's 31".

I'm going to hold on to the EP9 and see if I can make it pass the test.
 
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If you’re shooting a suppressed 147gr 9mm round you really don’t need or want more than a 5“ or 6” barrel.
 
Flashpoint said:
For whatever reason I'm stuck on a pistol caliber weapon for HD. I don't expect intruders to be wearing body armor and I just feel like I'd rather be shooting a PC in my hallway than a 5.56. Yes I know all the arguments otherwise but I'm stubborn, so there.

I want my HD PCC to be short. Real short. Currently my bedside HD weapon is a EP9 which is designed for and wearing a pistol brace. If the ATF is banning the things I have to rethink how I can replace it with something similarly short but legal, and I've always liked bullpups.
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That must be a really long hallway to warrant a PCC instead of a pistol...

Why not just SBR the EP9?
 
recreationalhandgrenade said:
I'm not sure where 9mm stops burning powder most often but it'll be all over the place for different ammo. It's well past 5 inches though.
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Yeah, I was just replying to the member who wrote, "...So there's not much performance to gain by using a longer barrel", referring to a 4"-5" vs. a 16" barrel. I wasn't sure if he understood ballistics and velocity, or if I was missing something.
 
My scorpion kinda serves as the HD gun. Once my R9 is approved it will be even more likely to be the role. If I need to SBR it later I will.
 
Bullpup conversion kit for Glock, P80 and S&W pistols.

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META Tactical

APEX-Series Carbine Conversion Kit. Convert your pistol to a bullpup-style rifle. Compatible with Glock, P80 and Smith & Wesson.
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Never thought a 2 handed rifle/sg weapon was a good choice for a home defense weapon. A good reliable handgun with a separate tactical light makes more sense to me. Are you guys all retired hitmen? Too much John Wick imo.
 
baltimoreed said:
Never thought a 2 handed rifle/sg weapon was a good choice for a home defense weapon. A good reliable handgun with a separate tactical light makes more sense to me. Are you guys all retired hitmen? Too much John Wick imo.
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I want to be the only one who makes a statement and rifles are way better at that than handguns.
 
baltimoreed said:
Never thought a 2 handed rifle/sg weapon was a good choice for a home defense weapon. A good reliable handgun with a separate tactical light makes more sense to me. Are you guys all retired hitmen? Too much John Wick imo.
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I have no delusions about taking on a city of hit men, etc. But, what I do have is a particular set of skills ;)

For my home and current residents, rifle is the best option. My last child’s room is on the second floor (as is my bedroom), so I am not clearing my house. I am going to sit in my doorway and handle any intruders that try to come through my front door or come up the stairs. For that, my suppressed 300BLK is perfect.
 
baltimoreed said:
Never thought a 2 handed rifle/sg weapon was a good choice for a home defense weapon. A good reliable handgun with a separate tactical light makes more sense to me. Are you guys all retired hitmen? Too much John Wick imo.
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Yes, I agree. I'd rather have the flexibility of a handgun and a free hand - except in a static defense.
 
Flashpoint said:
Like this? :) This is what my HD setup is now. I'm just exploring options if this doesn't pass the ATF rulings in August.

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Remove the brace and party on.
Get a heat shrink to cover the tube. You would be surprised how good and easy it shoots.
Just need a few range trips to fall in sink with how it feels.
I did that for years before the brace ever come out.
Don't over think it.
 
Mr.Gadget said:
Remove the brace and party on.
Get a heat shrink to cover the tube. You would be surprised how good and easy it shoots.
Just need a few range trips to fall in sink with how it feels.
I did that for years before the brace ever come out.
Don't over think it.
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Yep, all my braces are KAK cheap bois on their tube. Remove cheap brace, foam sleeve on cheap tube, resume blasting.

Ace make a great foam cover for use with their ARFX. I know they're Doublestsr now but I'm sure they still sell them.
 
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They make foam and rubber for tools that slide over it also. Even fishing rod shrink tubes. They call them skins. All colors and patterns.
 
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Mr.Gadget said:
They make foam and rubber for tools that slide over it also. Even fishing rod shrink tubes. They call them skins. All colors and patterns.
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Before braces were a thing I shot an AR pistol with a naked A2 buffer tube with a walking stick ferrule on it, it shot fine.
 
A Roni 16" carbine conversion kit gives one the best of all worlds a la: pistol caliber, handgun-based, 16" barreled (27" OAL) carbine when kit employed with handgun, not a SBR so not NFA-regulated.

Swap it back to a handgun barrel when you want to open or concealed-carry it ... or put it in the kit with the 16" barrel when you want a short, pistol-caliber rifle.
 
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