"World ‘plunging towards societal collapse’ as era of cheap money ends"

So the article in the OP is from November 3rd. Spells doom.

Today we see this:

2023 will be like 1967's 'roaring bull market': Billionaire investor​


Two completely different takes, diametrically opposing one another.

I don't see how things are going to get better but I can see how they would get worse. We have a much more precarious marketplace than most people realize. When will we start to see the effect of fertilizer shortages? Soon, I believe.

We've already seen shortages and price hikes on things ranging from eggs to peanut butter. Anyone who is paying attention is a dang fool for not putting away some extra food and supplies.


Nothing says there can’t be a bull market on Wall Street while the real economy is in collapse.
 
I'm older than many but younger than some here on the forum. I've seen bad times and lived with the threat of nuclear war and economic downturns (I was 8 during the Cuban missile crisis and 19 during the 1973 oil embargo, 28 during the 1982 recession and 54 during the '08 collapse). Today's times remind me of the Robert Heinlein short story "Year of the Jackpot" where all the bad cycles peak and all the good cycles trough. It didn't end well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Year_of_the_Jackpot
 
I'm older than many but younger than some here on the forum. I've seen bad times and lived with the threat of nuclear war and economic downturns (I was 8 during the Cuban missile crisis and 19 during the 1973 oil embargo, 28 during the 1982 recession and 54 during the '08 collapse). Today's times remind me of the Robert Heinlein short story "Year of the Jackpot" where all the bad cycles peak and all the good cycles trough. It didn't end well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Year_of_the_Jackpot
If Heinlein was still around he'd be madder than hell.
 
Well, I don't care if Satan Klaus *IS* pushing it.... these things are great! I eat them regularly in Oaxaca.

 
Well, I don't care if Satan Klaus *IS* pushing it.... these things are great! I eat them regularly in Oaxaca.



I had them at a friend’s house after he and his wife visited Oaxaca. They were good.
 
Had a couple unsuccessful groups. Folks not taking anything seriously or not showing up for regular meets. If there is a forum related group or training session we’d be interested! We are in Harnett county.
First of all, I applaud you for taking prepping seriously. Don't get discouraged. Foresight is a rare quality these days. Here are some things that I have found helpful in honcho-ing a group where I'm at. We spent a year where individual families assessed systems. Food, water, energy, clothing, income etc. according to the P.A.C.E. analysis as well as CARVER model. We did two or three of the categories (our list was much longer) at each meeting. Though the analysis was not always a clean application it got us thinking and showing up with more than just an appetite. You want your folks to be reporting to the group on the specifics of each category in their specific situation. This limited, but specific assignment gives folks something they can focus on and that is not overwhelming. This is way preferable to one conversational-narcissist-boyscout-know-it-all blabbing the whole time about a million things that everyone should have done ten years ago, bla, bla, bla. We basically got brutal on our own systems and it helped individual families see where they were most vulnerable and needed to make improvements. From there, change the focus individual families, to how the families fit together. How can we cooperate so one person's strengths or abundance of a particular resource can help someone else who has a dearth, etc. When you think you're ready, pull the main breaker and go a week without power as a group challenge. Or just turn the pump off and force yourself to move to your secondary water source. Doing simulations like this makes the training realistic. Instead of having one person take the weight of leading, have each family/member host a meeting. While they are hosting, they should open up their systems to the evaluation of the other members of the group, and also have them teach a skill while hosting. The added advantage is that by hosting, now you know where everyone in the group is located. Things like, how to filter water, how to process a medium sized animal, how to can, forage, repair clothing, make shoes, how to grow staple crops how to make a solar dehydrator etc. Another group requirement could be to establishing a secondary communications system and have a net that everyone checks into. This is going to require a little money investment which forces one to be more than a spectator, yet it is practical enough to be useful and easy enough to obtain. With headlines like the ones we have been seeing and the one that started this thread, I'd hope that folks that were not taking things seriously before, are starting to come around. Make sure your plan has space for latecomers, not everyone is gifted with foresight. I fully expect that when things get real, a lot of people that know me will be at my door. On that day, the last think you should tell them is, "I told you so." They already know it, that's why there at your doorstep. I plan on telling "those" folks that I have a few big projects that I need their help on in exchange for helping them out. Desperate people are going to need leadership. I always have agricultural/livestock projects I can scale up at almost any time of the year at the drop of a hat. There's no free lunch!
 
When I was more "radio-active", I used to hold a weekly net. During that net, I would discuss prepping topics and then open up the net to questions and comments.
It was a local simplex net that covered the Charlotte area. I've toyed with the idea of making it a regional net on HF. It also creates a common frequency to go to. I've also been debating on how to reach those without HF radios. For example, with permission you can cause multiple repeaters to synchronize across SC and basically reach the whole state.
But, this took a lot of time, work and dedication. I don't even have my primary HF antenna up right now.
But, comms is critical to share information and to coordinate.

Radio Free America
 
Last edited:
Good thing for us, it's a Great Wall 😊
@DurhamDad. I don't mean to be long-winded, just thorough!!!! and of course.....always right...on every topic.....Hehe.....Glad you got something out of it.

@georgel I just started dipping my toes into the ham world by checking into the local 2 meter net. I haven't yet dabbled in HF but it's on the punch list. I just have a loaner dual band Yeasu HT at the moment, I really just need a decent mobile radio to get started with. Right now I'm busy working towards getting a GMRS net established. Not everyone in my group can commit to Ham licenses at the moment even though that would be ideal. I'm trying to come up with something more accessable and easy to use. Right now I've settled on a 50watt mobile in a Hardened Power Solutions "hammo-can" chasis. For my antenna I'm running a copper tubing slim jim tuned to the frequency with some quality LMR 400 coax and a ferite choke. Gotta get a second station set up soon and do some testing but am getting pretty good range from my station to my HT. 73
 
First of all, I applaud you for taking prepping seriously. Don't get discouraged. Foresight is a rare quality these days. Here are some things that I have found helpful in honcho-ing a group where I'm at. We spent a year where individual families assessed systems. Food, water, energy, clothing, income etc. according to the P.A.C.E. analysis as well as CARVER model. We did two or three of the categories (our list was much longer) at each meeting. Though the analysis was not always a clean application it got us thinking and showing up with more than just an appetite. You want your folks to be reporting to the group on the specifics of each category in their specific situation. This limited, but specific assignment gives folks something they can focus on and that is not overwhelming. This is way preferable to one conversational-narcissist-boyscout-know-it-all blabbing the whole time about a million things that everyone should have done ten years ago, bla, bla, bla. We basically got brutal on our own systems and it helped individual families see where they were most vulnerable and needed to make improvements. From there, change the focus individual families, to how the families fit together. How can we cooperate so one person's strengths or abundance of a particular resource can help someone else who has a dearth, etc. When you think you're ready, pull the main breaker and go a week without power as a group challenge. Or just turn the pump off and force yourself to move to your secondary water source. Doing simulations like this makes the training realistic. Instead of having one person take the weight of leading, have each family/member host a meeting. While they are hosting, they should open up their systems to the evaluation of the other members of the group, and also have them teach a skill while hosting. The added advantage is that by hosting, now you know where everyone in the group is located. Things like, how to filter water, how to process a medium sized animal, how to can, forage, repair clothing, make shoes, how to grow staple crops how to make a solar dehydrator etc. Another group requirement could be to establishing a secondary communications system and have a net that everyone checks into. This is going to require a little money investment which forces one to be more than a spectator, yet it is practical enough to be useful and easy enough to obtain. With headlines like the ones we have been seeing and the one that started this thread, I'd hope that folks that were not taking things seriously before, are starting to come around. Make sure your plan has space for latecomers, not everyone is gifted with foresight. I fully expect that when things get real, a lot of people that know me will be at my door. On that day, the last think you should tell them is, "I told you so." They already know it, that's why there at your doorstep. I plan on telling "those" folks that I have a few big projects that I need their help on in exchange for helping them out. Desperate people are going to need leadership. I always have agricultural/livestock projects I can scale up at almost any time of the year at the drop of a hat. There's no free lunch!
Great read and thank you!! Sorry it
Took me so long to reply.
 
When I was more "radio-active", I used to hold a weekly net. During that net, I would discuss prepping topics and then open up the net to questions and comments.
It was a local simplex net that covered the Charlotte area. I've toyed with the idea of making it a regional net on HF. It also creates a common frequency to go to. I've also been debating on how to reach those without HF radios. For example, with permission you can cause multiple repeaters to synchronize across SC and basically reach the whole state.
But, this took a lot of time, work and dedication. I don't even have my primary HF antenna up right now.
But, comms is critical to share information and to coordinate.

Radio Free America
I think the regional HF net would be a neat idea. Go for it! For those that don't have the Ham Ticket to transmit, they could always listen in with a good Short Wave receiver or just get a used general coverage receiver and unplug the mic and have the capability later if they wished. You might be surprised at how many lurkers are tuning in but never keying up. There are a lot of really cool nets out there.
 
Here is one potential resource: https://amrron.com/
Yeah, I messed with those guys for a while. Not what I was looking for, but I can't remember why. They either weren't consistent or their content was now what I liked.

I think the regional HF net would be a neat idea. Go for it! For those that don't have the Ham Ticket to transmit, they could always listen in with a good Short Wave receiver or just get a used general coverage receiver and unplug the mic and have the capability later if they wished. You might be surprised at how many lurkers are tuning in but never keying up. There are a lot of really cool nets out there.
I was actually looking at what, not to expensive, listening radios might receive the frequencies I would use.

A few years ago, when I was playing with DMR, I had a "channel" listed to me for this purpose. It was called Hornets Nest. I don't know if it's still up.

There are some online listening capabilities, but the point is to have something when the internet and maybe phones are down. Getting information will be a huge deal. People will risk their lives for it. Selco points this out in his stories.
 
Last edited:
Yeah, I messed with those guys for a while. Not what I was looking for, but I can't remember why.
The comment by @Philosofarmer about lurkers made me think of it. One morning after talking to a friend on one of the Greensboro repeaters, I was approached off line by a lurker who was a member of the group inviting me to join. I did not, however.
 
In my model for grid down radio, you have key people listening and maybe communicating to some of these national groups and trickle down to the region.
 
Back
Top Bottom