SOLD WTS Sig Sauer UC 1911 .45 ACP

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  1. degenerateJEFF

    degenerateJEFF World's Okayest Shooter Life Member

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    Wanting to sell my lightly used two-tone Ultra Compact .45 ACP 1911 plus extra VZ grips.
    • Sig Night sights
    • 2-7 round magazines
    • Lucas Oil Sample tube
    • VZ Operator Grips
    • Stock VZ Wood Grips
    • Sig Plastic case
    • Approx. 500 rds. out of the 3.3" barrel
    • Missing factory manual
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    FTF ONLY. (SC)
    CCP ONLY. (SC)


    BOS @ Buyer's request

    FFL to NC. (I cover shipping costs, ground)
    -or-
    Meet at FFL of your choosing on southern end of NC, you pay transfer fee


    $749 with VZ Operator grips
    $724 without ($65 new)

    OPEN TO CASH, VENMO, PAYPAL OFFERS
    *****NO TRADES*****

    PURCHASE BY
    ♧APRIL 1st, 2019♧

    Receive a FREE 40 rd. 5.56 PMAG
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    NC law prohibits me from selling a pistol in NC. HOWEVER, by my understanding, SC does not prohibit me from selling or trading to a NC resident here in SC privately. Therefore the sale would need to occur on SC soil. Any extra information on these laws would be useful input but in my research this is what I came up with.

    Actually federal law prevents the sell to a NC resident without going through an FFL . Just FYI



    2. May I lawfully transfer a firearm to a friend who resides in a different State?
    Under Federal law, an unlicensed individual is prohibited from transferring a firearm to an individual who does not reside in the State where the transferee resides. Generally, for a person to lawfully transfer a firearm to an unlicensed person who resides out of State, the firearm must be shipped to a Federal Firearms Licensee (FFL) within the recipient’s State of residence. He or she may then receive the firearm from the FFL upon completion of an ATF Form 4473 and a NICS background check. More information can be obtained on the ATF website at www.atf.gov and http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/unlicensed-persons.html. The GCA provides an exception from this prohibition for temporary loans or rentals of firearms for lawful sporting purposes. Thus, for example, a friend visiting you may borrow a firearm from you to go hunting. Another exception is provided for transfers of firearms to nonresidents to carry out a lawful bequest or acquisition by intestate succession. This exception would authorize the transfer of a firearm to a nonresident who inherits a firearm under the will of a decedent. See 18 U.S.C. 922(a)(5).
     
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    OK.....NOT AN EXPERT....but there are many posts on several other sites about this.

    There are TWO OPTIONS.....

    First>>>>>> SELLER travels to the BUYER state. Firearm (in this case talking about a HANDGUN and it is NOT an antique or primitive weapon) is examined. Deal cut. BOTH go to a local FFL. SELLER has firearm transferred to BUYER.

    Second>>>>>>BUYER travels to the SELLER state. After deal is cut, BOTH go to FFL. SELLER has local FFL take gun and ship to BUYER FFL.

    ONE POTENTIAL WRINKLE ON THE ABOVE. Friend told me that Buds Gun Shop runs a program called ShipMyGun.

    https://www.shipmygun.com/go/

    This is a service where you, as an individual, can ship a firearm (modern pistol) to an FFL in another state. It is Fedex based. I went through an excruciating process where a friend wanted a special 686 and he was in FL. FFL regs permitted me to ship via private carrier, NOT USPS, directly to FL FFL. UPS has “rule”. PRIVATE guns have to go OVERNIGHT. 8-3/8 Scoped hit their penalty volume size, so it was priced like a 20# package. Friend used his DISCOUNTED UPS Company account. It was well over $150. COULD have shipped USPS from my local FFL and been around $35. He did not trust USPS. My FFL would have paid SAME UPS rate....no discounts. Buds SMG price was $53. That is for the shipping label. MAY be a $10 or so BUD fee at checkout....didn’t go that far.

    An INDIVIDUAL can NOT ship USPS without using an FFL. Don’t ask me for all the Fed regs....several FFL have confirmed the above and if you want private carrier shipping, the Buds SMG is way cheaper than walking into UPS store. They unpacked my box and gave me the third degree. I even had my local FFL to his FFL paperwork. UPS said....not needed...KEEP it...WE DO IT OUR WAY.

    FINAL NOTE. I personally would insist on a Signed BOS from SELLER stating that he legally owns the firearm and, to the best of his knowledge, it was NOT stolen. If the SELLER balks at this....walk away.... BUYER will have it “registered”, but FFL transfer does not run the SN through the “police” or the National stolen gun database.

    As always, I stayed at a lot of Holiday Inn Expresses, but, to the best of my Research and Knowledge, the above is correct.
     
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    Just FYI, local UPS store, near Charleston SC, refused my handgun shipment to an FFL in another state. UPS Manager told me they cannot ship handguns.
     
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    Yes, the stores are franchised, only UPS company locations will accept guns.

    Worth noting, if the FFL sends a call tag, UPS driver will take the package, FFL is the shipper not you. Same as when a gun sent back to manufacturer.
     
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    Thanks....That is interesting. I DID go directly to the UPS "Hub Store" in North Raleigh. They TOOK it and charged me $60 or so and I left. About an HOUR later, I got a call. Come pick it up....we AIN'T shipping . I had to drive back (45 minutes in traffic as they WANTED IT OFF PREMISES that day). I talked to my buddy and he said....Here is my UPS account. Ship the THING and fully insure it. So, I broke out the accessories such as the shoulder holster and got the gun back in the S&W box and the scoped padded with the Holster. The Gun went OVERNIGHT in one box to his FFL and the Accessories went to him direct. The entire bill was in the $150 or so range (memory). That was also a discounted Corporate Rate as he does a lot of UPS shipping.

    UPS, when I got back the first day said...."We DO NOT ALLOW FIREARMS TO BE IN COMPANY VEHICLES OR TRAILERS OVERNIGHT DUE TO SECURITY". I asked....What about the hand guns and shotguns that I ordered and came in UPS to my FFL ? ER....That is different, they have Corporate Accounts and I don't deal with them.....All I know is that I have been told that when and individual comes in...it is OVERNIGHT. OK....Smart A$$ me asks....I am using a Corporate Account. NOPE...it has to be a Corporate Account for a Distributor....end of questions as I wanted to ship the dadblamed thing and get it there safely and they were the only game in town....

    When I did the test shipment on the Bud's SMG site and used the same zip and FFL (His was registered), SMG had three sizes of boxes and the 18" would have been plenty big enough for everything. Was based on VOLUME or a flat rate for each size, not weight.

    It would have cost my buddy the SAME as most, I have been told, FFL do NOT have UPS accounts due to the cost. Distributors and such do....but not many Gun Shops....so the SMG rate is very attractive.....

    If the FFL can ship cheaper and do the Tag for Will Call....that is GREAT....only my local guy who does over 25 FFL transfers per day and has a room full of USPS boxes (which it would NOT fit due to length in the Large Flat Rate) said that he NEVER ships UPS and his counterparts don't either as it is cost prohibitive.....it all depends.

    When I wanted Smith to work on a new gun due to the scratchy trigger, they sent me the tag and FedEx had to "Put my packaging" inside THEIR PLAIN VANILLA (ain't NO GUN IN HERE) box....That was a FedEx franchised store and not the one at the Fedex Hub.....

    The things we find out.....
     
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    Sig factory service uses UPS, they require the driver to pickup the box, while Beretta uses FedEx and I can drop it off at any FedEx hub,
    funny told the counter lady it was a firearm, she said no problem, we ship them all the time.:)

    Sometimes you get people who are not trained in the rules, same at US Post Office and those who are like minded as we are.
     
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    Don't dispute what you say. This subject is about an individual SHIPPING a Handgun to an FFL....NOT an FFL or a Distributor or a Manufacturer issuing a "Pickup Tag". As others have stated and are posted in many other blogs or sights....an individual has VERY FEW options....and I hit a wall.....

    The only issue I had with FedEx was an employee not understanding that FedEx was going to repack and that Smith was going to pay for the overpack or the repack as FedEx did NOT want the package labeled or identified as a gun. Says a LOT about the integrity of their employees. The local manager interceded and it was taken care of immediately.

    As to the UPS....I was dealing with the local Raleigh UPS Hub store manager. The clerk earlier had done the entire transaction for shipping the gun REGULAR UPS....but then someone (the manager or assistant) got wind of it and shut it down. I was called by the Manager who explained the UPS rules....so I assumed that he was fully versed. They also mirrored exactly what I had been told by my local FFL as to the issues and why he used insured USPS...

    Maybe misinterpretation by the Raleigh office. BUT, when you are trying to get something done and the local manager dictates and spouts policy....then you have no or very little recourse. Remember, I am a WALK IN....when Sig or Ruger or whoever issues a TAG (not the same for FedEx as I know that drill), then the driver is just picking it up. You would have received packing instructions. Don't know what UPS says to do or label or whatever. Smith had specific instructions and specified FedEx do the packing...

    Sometime call you local UPS hub or the main number and ask that question or call the 800 number. BUT, I think that what I experienced is the RULES. I used to do a LOT of eBay shipping and FedEx was a whole lot easier to use. NOW, UPS has more franchise locations, but they have their OWN rules and interpretations.....

    As to USPS.....

    https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-nonlicensee-ship-firearm-through-us-postal-service

    IF you are an FFL, you can use USPS and MOST do because of the high UPS costs....UNLESS they have a Common Carrier account and get the distributor's discount. Ship one yourself to an FFL and you are subject to arrest and whatever....
     
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    Most of the dealers on gunbroker with FFL use priority US mail, Kings also uses them.
     
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    I know you are not disputing, I added the additional info since it is related to the OP.
    BTW, the inbound FFL can issue a call tag to the owner and that takes care of it.

    Best Regards
     
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    Think I've covered all my bases on legality now... thanks for the help from everybody!

    Any interest in buying this gun from any of yous?

    ;)o_O:)


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    Got a few nibbles and lower offers today. If you think you need this gun (which you do) PM me before I'm SPF with that offer! You won't believe how low the other offer was! Still considering on taking it!
     
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    OTHER GUY WOULDN'T PULL THE TRIGGER.
    SOMETHING ABOUT A "CZ" OR SOME BS LIKE THAT.
     
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    Do you require a Bill of Sale and a note from my Mom?
     
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    BOS at buyer's request. Will have to deliver to FFL for NC resident. FTF w/ CCP for SC resident.
     
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    If it's the instruction manual you've been holding out for (you know you want this gun now) I found it today! Instruction booklet now included in the price! 25c34f6abb88a529f97a5d79f24426052aa248a854ab36906e7f8e71ebf24f2b.jpg