Wuhan, nCV, germs....

11B CIB said:
I’m leaving the country and will be in the eastern Caribbean for about a week. After that, I’ll be in central Florida for about 4 days.

Should I bring a 50pk of nitrile gloves, N95 masks for the fam (3 of us)....hand sanitizer? Will normal alcohol based sanitizer work on this stuff? Should I take a normal pocket size hand sanitizer bottle, fill it with water and 3-5 drops of chlorine bleach?

Trying to protect my family on a trip and any advice would be awesome.
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Isopropyl Alcohol 70% or above is effective on this virus. It would seem that this virus as well as other viruses that cause the common cold do not like very warm temperatures. I would take double the amount of gloves. N95 masks suck to wear for extended periods and don't last long. I would take enough to last each family member for 4 hours each mask during travel. Be sure to pinch the nose portion tight.
 
Scrubber3 said:
Isopropyl Alcohol 70% or above is effective on this virus. It would seem that this virus as well as other viruses that cause the common cold do not like very warm temperatures. I would take double the amount of gloves. N95 masks suck to wear for extended periods and don't last long. I would take enough to last each family member for 4 hours each mask during travel. Be sure to pinch the nose portion tight.
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Might not be feasible to take enough masks to get 3 people through ten days of it.

I was reading an OSHA release from 2009 when healthcare providers were dealing with H1N1 and a lack of supplies. They were having to reuse N95 masks and prolonged their effective life by:

Wearing a surgical mask over the N95
Washing hands before putting on or taking off N95
DO NOT touch the inside of the mask
Store in a breathable bag
 
11B CIB said:
I’m leaving the country and will be in the eastern Caribbean for about a week. After that, I’ll be in central Florida for about 4 days.

Should I bring a 50pk of nitrile gloves, N95 masks for the fam (3 of us)....hand sanitizer? Will normal alcohol based sanitizer work on this stuff? Should I take a normal pocket size hand sanitizer bottle, fill it with water and 3-5 drops of chlorine bleach?

Trying to protect my family on a trip and any advice would be awesome.
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Hand-washing with soap and water is better than anything else (i.e., hand gel, sanitizer, etc.). Pocket-size hand gel is OK for things like after handling a shopping cart, opening doors, etc UNTIL you can get to a place to wash your hands. Or the pocket-size bottle of bleach/water (for stuff, NOT your hands). Or, a package of sanitizing wipes (not what you get at Wal-Mart, but what you can order from a medical supply place). Me, I wouldn't take gloves. I would just be super anal about hand-washing. I think masks are generally overkill unless you are in an area with a known contagion. If you take a mask, N95s > surgical masks based on the porosity. Again, not a bad item to have, but just have the SA to know when you would need to wear them.
 
I would not travel on a plane, anywhere until all of this is contained, as I would worry about flights not being decontaminated sufficiently before being used in another part of the world.
 
Chuckman said:
Hand-washing with soap and water is better than anything else (i.e., hand gel, sanitizer, etc.). Pocket-size hand gel is OK for things like after handling a shopping cart, opening doors, etc UNTIL you can get to a place to wash your hands. Or the pocket-size bottle of bleach/water (for stuff, NOT your hands). Or, a package of sanitizing wipes (not what you get at Wal-Mart, but what you can order from a medical supply place). Me, I wouldn't take gloves. I would just be super anal about hand-washing. I think masks are generally overkill unless you are in an area with a known contagion. If you take a mask, N95s > surgical masks based on the porosity. Again, not a bad item to have, but just have the SA to know when you would need to wear them.
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Part of me wants to overpack and take some of the things that seem like overkill. The first half of our trip is a cruise. I don’t want to get trapped on a quarantine box without something I might need. We also have a window/balcony stateroom so I’m not trapped in an interior jail cell if it does get quarantined. LOTS of south East Asian employees work on cruise ships and who knows which ones just got back from leave back home. Probably bein dvag paranoid but I can’t not go on the trip.

@Grim definitely no airplanes. I’m driving to FL
 
11B CIB said:
Part of me wants to overpack and take some of the things that seem like overkill. The first half of our trip is a cruise. I don’t want to get trapped on a quarantine box without something I might need. We also have a window/balcony stateroom so I’m not trapped in an interior jail cell if it does get quarantined. LOTS of south East Asian employees work on cruise ships and who knows which ones just got back from leave back home. Probably bein dvag paranoid but I can’t not go on the trip.

@Grim definitely no airplanes. I’m driving to FL
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This is the exact reason I won't go on a cruise. Nothing but a HUGE petri dish.
 
11B CIB said:
I’m leaving the country and will be in the eastern Caribbean for about a week. After that, I’ll be in central Florida for about 4 days.

Should I bring a 50pk of nitrile gloves, N95 masks for the fam (3 of us)....hand sanitizer? Will normal alcohol based sanitizer work on this stuff? Should I take a normal pocket size hand sanitizer bottle, fill it with water and 3-5 drops of chlorine bleach?

Trying to protect my family on a trip and any advice would be awesome.
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Bring some stuff just in case, but as I've been pointing out in this thread, we are not seeing community outbreaks in any countries near the equator - check for yourself on the Johns Hopkins map. These places confirmed cases are people who traveled from Wuhan and maybe transmission from that person, not sustained community outbreaks.

Don't crank up the A/C in hotels - keep the room as warm as is comfortable - the warmth/humidity help decrease transmission risk in case someone in the hotel traveled from an affected area.
 
This might be a case where China's disregard for IP rights hurts it. The Moderna vaccine is months away from large scale human trials. If they trusted CCP, they could work with China to accelerate the pace of testing.

CCP would give people the vaccine and then lock them in a quarantine ward with infected people, and we'd have an answer very quickly.
 
drypowder said:
This might be a case where China's disregard for IP rights hurts it. The Moderna vaccine is months away from large scale human trials. If they trusted CCP, they could work with China to accelerate the pace of testing.

CCP would give people the vaccine and then lock them in a quarantine ward with infected people, and we'd have an answer very quickly.
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LOL, it violates how many ethical principles on research on living persons? But, yes, we'd know VERY quickly. Me, I think it's a great idea.
 
mj1angier said:
Maybe coming to a store near you:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...s-fight-food-supermarket-Italys-red-zone.html
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We see that in the US now without shortages!

I did see a couple drunk Venetians get in a fight, last time we were in Venice, and one broke a bottle and stabbed the shit out of the other guy. My wife was horrified. I grabbed her and promptly kept right on walking. No need to get caught up in that or the headbashing the cops were about to dole out.
 
Chuckman said:
LOL, it violates how many ethical principles on research on living persons? But, yes, we'd know VERY quickly. Me, I think it's a great idea.
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While CCP could take that approach, there are voluntary options. Say to employees of a few factories in Wuhan that are closed, "We will open the factories for employees who take this vaccine. Everyone else will have to wait another couple of months (unpaid)." Sweeten the pot with a little extra pay. They'd have thousands of volunteers right in the epicenter of the outbreak.

Meanwhile, in woke America, you can't even do these experiments on friggin mice, nevermind monkeys, without leftards complaining - though if you said the experiments were being conducted on Trump supporters, they'd be all for it.
 
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After hearing the views on the virus and lethality from medical professionals who are not politically motivated, I believe the impact of this virus is far less severe than the media is making it out to be. It seems more now that the media is using the fear to intentionally tank markets prior to the election.
 
My team in Shanghai are all working along fine. We have expedited requests from retailers and while most of our factories are just now getting back to small staffing levels, they are able to plan production runs.

Remember, Xi extended the Chinese New Year by 2 weeks... that is unheard of. They are just now coming back to factories and typically every year it is a slow roll because most of the product was shipped out before CNY hits.

I tend to agree with @Grim I am starting to suspect that the MSM feels there is an opportunity to make this political.
 
Hmmmm..... 100 pounds white rice, 50 pounds pintos, 5 cases MRE, new freezer, 150lb bread flour. 50lb soybeans, 250lb kibble for the pups. Four cases toilet paper, three gallons Titos Vodka and some of that delicious old smokey shine. 20lb pistachios. new propane generator. another 250 gal propane tank. Steel I beams for barricades, extra welding rods, another oxy and gas tank..........
 
I cant seem to stop buying toilet paper. Its like I'm addicted.
We now have over 60 rolls of Scott stockpiled for 2 of us in the house. When do i stop?
 
I am beginning to believe the reporting from Iran and Italy even less than the reporting from China.

Johns Hopkins CSSE report:
  • Iran: 245 cases, 26 deaths, 49 recoveries
  • Italy: 655 cases, 17 deaths, 45 recoveries
Iran and Italy recently popped up with their first reported cases, but already have the 2nd and 4th largest number of deaths worldwide outside Wuhan's Hubei province, and the largest number of recoveries worldwide outside China.
 
gc70 said:
I am beginning to believe the reporting from Iran and Italy even less than the reporting from China.

Johns Hopkins CSSE report:
  • Iran: 245 cases, 26 deaths, 49 recoveries
  • Italy: 655 cases, 17 deaths, 45 recoveries
Iran and Italy recently popped up with their first reported cases, but already have the 2nd and 4th largest number of deaths worldwide outside Wuhan's Hubei province, and the largest number of recoveries worldwide outside China.
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Iran is DEFINITELY underreporting.
 
gc70 said:
I am beginning to believe the reporting from Iran and Italy even less than the reporting from China.

Johns Hopkins CSSE report:
  • Iran: 245 cases, 26 deaths, 49 recoveries
  • Italy: 655 cases, 17 deaths, 45 recoveries
Iran and Italy recently popped up with their first reported cases, but already have the 2nd and 4th largest number of deaths worldwide outside Wuhan's Hubei province, and the largest number of recoveries worldwide outside China.
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Based on the Chinese ~2.0% fatality rate, which is probably low (underreported) Iran would need about 1100 cases to have the 26 deaths. Their numbers don’t add up.
 
gc70 said:
I am beginning to believe the reporting from Iran and Italy even less than the reporting from China.

Johns Hopkins CSSE report:
  • Iran: 245 cases, 26 deaths, 49 recoveries
  • Italy: 655 cases, 17 deaths, 45 recoveries
Iran and Italy recently popped up with their first reported cases, but already have the 2nd and 4th largest number of deaths worldwide outside Wuhan's Hubei province, and the largest number of recoveries worldwide outside China.
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For me, it's not so much that they are lying as they just haven't ramped up testing capacity and good contact tracing. When is the last time these countries have dealt with something like this?

China and much of East Asia has been through this drill before, albeit on a smaller scale, with SARS and bird flu.
 
A bit more dodgy math from Iran.

Spokesman of the Iranian Health Ministry Kianoush Jahanpour announced on Thursday that 422 patients who had been hospitalized for suspected or confirmed cases of COVID-19 virus infection have been dismissed from hospitals in the two provinces of Qom and Gilan after full recovery.

“22 people in addition to the 30 patients who had been declared yesterday and were infected or were suspected of being infected with coronavirus in Qom have been discharged from hospitals after full recovery,” Jahanpour said.​

What will collapse first - Iran's health system or its government?

The Islamic republic has the highest death toll from the virus outside China, where COVID-19 first emerged.

Among the latest coronavirus sufferers is one of Iran's seven vice presidents, Massoumeh Ebtekar, who oversees women's affairs.

Mojtaba Zolnour, head of parliament's national security and foreign affairs committee, also contracted the virus, appearing in a video posted by Fars news agency saying he was in self-quarantine.​
 
drypowder said:
For me, it's not so much that they are lying as they just haven't ramped up testing capacity and good contact tracing. When is the last time these countries have dealt with something like this?

China and much of East Asia has been through this drill before, albeit on a smaller scale, with SARS and bird flu.
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On the topic of testing, S. Korea is testing 15,000 people a day. Yet America has only tested ~500 people, yet there are over 10,000 under observation. Hmmm
 
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