WV teachers plan another Strike

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I know this isn't a huge topic here cause you know not our state. But there is a chain reaction to these things that cause ripples through out the country. This time they got another pay raise but the State has approved Charter schools. OMG they are fighting to keep their monopoly. This one has them scared bad enough to strike. Now I'm sure there are other things but man alive charter schools are the devil.

Eventually this will get back to us in NC because WV will get a raise to say 35th for pay then NC teachers will be saying well look we are now 45th in pay.
 
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Last I heard there are 7.3 million unfilled jobs in the country. Most if not all the teachers are well educated and maybe with some minor training they can change career for a better paying job. However, the couple of teachers I know love their work and do it for the love of the profession- granted the teachers I know are in dual income situation.
 
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Maybe if they severely pared down the out-sized administrative staffs with their bloated salaries, they'd have more money to pay teachers & bring back shop, art/music & language programs, but no..... they gotta union up & pay those dues so their union bosses can afford vacation homes, while ram-rodding counterproductive leftist policies that only harm teachers & drastically short change students.
 
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Crazy Carl said:
Maybe if they severely pared down the out-sized administrative staffs with their bloated salaries, they'd have more money to pay teachers & bring back shop, art/music & language programs, but no..... they gotta union up & pay those dues so their union bosses can afford vacation homes, while ram-rodding counterproductive leftist policies that only harm teachers & drastically short change students.
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Most of the bureaucracy is now required to comply with the massive level of federal regulation. The federal department of education provides a total of 6% of education funding but creates over 70% of the administrative cost of public schools.
Eliminate the DoE and all the federal regulations.

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I never planned to get rich in this job.
But I can say this - for working 9 months of the year, it's not bad annual salary.
Do I wish it were higher - sure, who wouldnt?!
But, the fact is, Im smart and budget well.
I have a new-ish car that I can rely on. I own (well, the BANK owns lol) a home. I have toys (guns, motorcycles). I take a vacation each year. I treat myself here and there.

Do I have to budget and not buy certain things at certain times? Yep. But that should just be protocol for anyone, really.

I'll not be marching on the capital or contemplating a strike.
I belong to no union, never will.
 
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I never planned to get rich in this job.
But I can say this - for working 9 months of the year, it's not bad annual salary.
Do I wish it were higher - sure, who wouldnt?!
But, the fact is, Im smart and budget well.
I have a new-ish car that I can rely on. I own (well, the BANK owns lol) a home. I have toys (guns, motorcycles). I take a vacation each year. I treat myself here and there.

Do I have to budget and not buy certain things at certain times? Yep. But that should just be protocol for anyone, really.

I'll not be marching on the capital or contemplating a strike.
I belong to no union, never will.
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Most of the teachers I worked with years ago had summer jobs or side-gigs that made them pretty much year-round employed and as well off as many professionsals. The ones that took entire summers off had spouses that made good money. Like everything else it is a choice. My SIL takes summers off for her garden since my brother does pretty well. And they have no kids. One of my best friend’s wife make about $250k so he takes the summer off and plays Dad and gardner. The rest mostly have side gigs.
 
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Ive done side gigs, Ive also not done side gigs.
It's just me. No kids, just me. Extra money is great, and I do get bored after week 2, but it's not a requirement that I take on a second job.
 
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Ive done side gigs, Ive also not done side gigs.
It's just me. No kids, just me. Extra money is great, and I do get bored after week 2, but it's not a requirement that I take on a second job.
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Freedom!
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Because it’s not the same as pressing a button for 8 hours or making a sale...


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True.
Hard ny wife been paid based on rate of improvement on city wide math tests she would have been the highest paid math teacher in Boston. The teachers that had her students for the following grades would also have gotten raises. My wife taught the students how to learn math, not how to pass the next test.

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True.
Hard ny wife been paid based on rate of improvement on city wide math tests she would have been the highest paid math teacher in Boston. The teachers that had her students for the following grades would also have gotten raises. My wife taught the students how to learn math, not how to pass the next test.

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If the job was just teaching and the problems we had to deal with were only the ones in our particular classrooms...

This is what numbers don’t show, and the corporate model can’t solve.


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sr30 said:
If the job was just teaching and the problems we had to deal with were only the ones in our particular classrooms...

This is what numbers don’t show, and the corporate model can’t solve.


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Exactly. My wife had to deal with students who though getting F's was something to be celebrated. She had one 12 year old girl that was on the pill because her dad felt helpless to stop her from being pass around as a play thing by the gang bangers she hung out with after school. Part social worker but also not letting that take away from the primary mission of education. A tough balancing act.
 
Privatize it all and let schools kick out the a-hole kids and families that are the time sucks. Then teachers can teach willing students in a better environment.

And let schools rid themselves of the bad teachers that get to hamg on in some districts.

None of this is possible in our current system. Blow it up.
 
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In NC the problem is schools specifically churning out teachers *cough, ASU, cough* ... are churning out a lot of idiots. *Mostly* because tons of them think teaching is a fall-back major.

Of course they could solve this by making the classes / requirements actually HARD... but then you might not have as many enroll in the program or go to the school (being known as a teaching college).. so that might hurt the bottom line.

I could rant about this all day because I've seen the ugly inside of "education academia."
 
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How about breaking the union and paying teachers based on merit like almost every other industry?
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THIS!!!

This is the core issue. Teachers in NC are paid based on a years’ experience scale. The best and worst teachers with the same years teaching get paid the exact same. Districts can offer small stipends but we’re talking 0-$4k/yr.

No teacher gets into teaching for the money, BUT THEY DO LEAVE FOR A LACK OF MONEY. My wife and I started our careers at the same time 7yr ago. I’ve more than doubled my salary whereas hers has increased 30%, including the 3 state pay raises. If it weren’t for those changes at the state level, she would only be making like 15% more. I made more working retail sales than many NC teachers, some with master’s degrees!

Teacher pay is a joke and I feel teachers are taken advantage of in a way. People know they do it because they love it, at least good teachers do, and therefore economic principal says you don’t need to pay them any more.

I also wish there was a better way to weed out crappy and/or burnt out teachers.
 
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A problem that I see, first hand, is good teachers that get pushed out because they care and they get additional stuff thrown on them. While others, who care too, but dont do anything additional get to cut out at 3:15 each day.
Being forced into coaching and other tasks and just getting burnt out on it all.

Yes, we get extra for coaching, but it's a joke.

I will say the problem with 'merit' based teaching would be how do we determine who is 'better'?
Is it based on test scores? Because then you simply teach to the test, not teaching them to THINK.
Or is it based on the kids liking you? You sucking up to the admin?
What do we base it on?

I AM all for kicking kids out. There are a lot of tax payer dollars wasted on kids who dont want to be there and do NOTHING productive.
 
If teachers only had to teach instead of being babysitters, counselors, parents, and everything else they might not burn out so fast. And, if they and the school actually had some disciplinary power without the real threat of lawsuits and losing their jobs, they might not burn out so fast. If parents would actually give their kids real "home training" and hold them responsible for their actions, teachers might not burn out so fast. But, the parents that complain the most about teachers and schools usually send them the snowflake kids.
 
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A problem that I see, first hand, is good teachers that get pushed out because they care and they get additional stuff thrown on them. While others, who care too, but dont do anything additional get to cut out at 3:15 each day.
Being forced into coaching and other tasks and just getting burnt out on it all.

Yes, we get extra for coaching, but it's a joke.

I will say the problem with 'merit' based teaching would be how do we determine who is 'better'?
Is it based on test scores? Because then you simply teach to the test, not teaching them to THINK.
Or is it based on the kids liking you? You sucking up to the admin?
What do we base it on?

I AM all for kicking kids out. There are a lot of tax payer dollars wasted on kids who dont want to be there and do NOTHING productive.
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It shouldn’t be that hard to come up with a reasonable waynto evaluate teachers. Scores, grades from parents amd students, supervisors that presumably have taught. You could probably come up with a list of things. Use them all amd come up with some kind of weighted matrix. Nothing will ever be perfect, but you could probably get a decent way to evaluate teachers. My daughter could probably tell you which teachers really suck and which ones are really good at her HS. I suspect most of the better students could. And some parents. That could be a small part of an evaluation. Peers could be another. Trust me, everyone where I work onows who sucks and who is pulling their weight. And kids passing tests is important too.
 
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It shouldn’t be that hard to come up with a reasonable waynto evaluate teachers. Scores, grades from parents amd students, supervisors that presumably have taught. You could probably come up with a list of things. Use them all amd come up with some kind of weighted matrix. Nothing will ever be perfect, but you could probably get a decent way to evaluate teachers. My daughter could probably tell you which teachers really suck and which ones are really good at her HS. I suspect most of the better students could. And some parents. That could be a small part of an evaluation. Peers could be another. Trust me, everyone where I work onows who sucks and who is pulling their weight. And kids passing tests is important too.
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You really have no idea...


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HMP said:
A problem that I see, first hand, is good teachers that get pushed out because they care and they get additional stuff thrown on them. While others, who care too, but dont do anything additional get to cut out at 3:15 each day.
Being forced into coaching and other tasks and just getting burnt out on it all.

Yes, we get extra for coaching, but it's a joke.

I will say the problem with 'merit' based teaching would be how do we determine who is 'better'?
Is it based on test scores? Because then you simply teach to the test, not teaching them to THINK.
Or is it based on the kids liking you? You sucking up to the admin?
What do we base it on?

I AM all for kicking kids out. There are a lot of tax payer dollars wasted on kids who dont want to be there and do NOTHING productive.
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You’ll get no sympathy from virtually 99% of those who’ve never set foot in a classroom...


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sr30 said:
You’ll get no sympathy from virtually 99% of those who’ve never set foot in a classroom...


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We're all a bunch of liberals pushing our liberal commie agendas on children, brainwashing them.
 
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You’ll get no sympathy from virtually 99% of those who’ve never set foot in a classroom...


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Maybe some people have been in classrooms, and it is also possible that having an education degree and being in a classroom does not make one all knowing. Or sometimes even competent. Or unbiased? :p
 
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Being married to a teacher has been an eye opening experience to say the least.
 
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It shouldn’t be that hard to come up with a reasonable waynto evaluate teachers. Scores, grades from parents amd students, supervisors that presumably have taught. You could probably come up with a list of things. Use them all amd come up with some kind of weighted matrix. Nothing will ever be perfect, but you could probably get a decent way to evaluate teachers. My daughter could probably tell you which teachers really suck and which ones are really good at her HS. I suspect most of the better students could. And some parents. That could be a small part of an evaluation. Peers could be another. Trust me, everyone where I work onows who sucks and who is pulling their weight. And kids passing tests is important too.
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It's not. Not at all. But unions, administration, the legal industry, they all have their peckers in the pie (same as medical industry, but different).

Lookit, so we homeschool, right? So I usually follow education threads from afar and don't say a whole lot. But even though we homeschool, we still pay taxes, so I still have a vested interested in the incompetence of the state.
 
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Maybe some people have been in classrooms, and it is also possible that having an education degree and being in a classroom does not make one all knowing. Or sometimes even competent. Or unbiased? :p
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Are you saying YOU have?

I don’t claim to be all knowing, but after having taught at a school w a free/reduced population between 65-70% for the last 19 years, I understand the machine and it’s inherent issues a lot more than your average person who thinks a school can be run like a business...


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sr30 said:
Are you saying YOU have?

I don’t claim to be all knowing, but after having taught at a school w a free/reduced population between 65-70% for the last 19 years, I understand the machine and it’s inherent issues a lot more than your average person who thinks a school can be run like a business...


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Yes I have. But small sample size and many years ago. And I have not stayed in a Holiday Inn.

And schools are run like a business now. The administrators are the overpaid executives sucking up resources that could otherwise be used to improve the customer experience. And don’t forget the bloated bureaucracy.
 
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