WW1 WKC KS98 Sawback Bayonet

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  1. J.R Priddy

    J.R Priddy Happy to be here

    Dec 20, 2016
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    I've done some looking around on the internet on this and the best info. I can find is it's a rare variant and its WW1 German mauser bayonet overall length around 15inches with a 10inch blade. Any additional info would be great value etc. Only reference to value I have is ebay and a militaria site.

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  2. Slacker

    Slacker Liquor and Whores...

    Dec 17, 2016
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    Mebane NC / Durham NC
    Cool item. Tagged for value.
    A quick goo-gel shows:

    The Army Manual "The Law of Land Warfare," FM 27-10 lives here (PDF file). Page 18 contains the following language:

    1. Employment of Arms Causing Unnecessary Injury a. Treaty Provision. Itisespeciallyforbidden** *toemployarms,projectiles,or material calculated to cause unnecessary suffering. (HR, art. 23, par. (e).) b. Interpretation. What weapons cause “unnecessary injury” can only be determined in light of the practice of States in refraining from the use of a given weapon because it is believed to have that effect. The prohibition certainly does not extend to the use of ex- plosives contained in artillery projectiles, mines, rockets, or hand grenades. Usage has, however, established the illegality of the use of lances with barbed heads, irregular-shaped bullets, and projectiles filled with glass, the use of any substance on bullets that would tend unnecessarily to inflame a wound inflicted by them, and the scoring of the surface or the filing off of the ends of the hard cases of bullets.
    "HR" refers to Annex to Hague Convention No. IV,18 October1907, Embodying the Regulations Respecting the Laws and Customs of War on Land.

    I have trouble believing that the law relating to "unnecessary injury" would be enforced by troops on the ground because it was a law. Trench sweepers used bludgeons made of wood or metal, trench knives, brass knuckles, sawed off shotguns, and sharpened shovels in attacks on enemy troops. I've read "All Quiet on the Western Front" and noted that statement, but I've never found a satisfactory explanation for the hatred for serrated bayonets.

    This statement:

    Notoriously, the German army produced a 'saw-back' blade that, as its name suggests, gave the appearance of a saw with its double row of teeth on the back edge.

    Produced chiefly for use by engineering units for specific tasks, the saw-back blade proved a blessing for Allied propaganda purposes. Keen to represent the Germans as ruthless, blood-thirsty 'Huns', the popular press widely propagated the notion that this type of bayonet had been specifically developed as a refinement of German brutality for use in close combat.
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  3. RedneckFur

    RedneckFur Smith & Wesson is a religion of peace.

    Dec 16, 2016
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    Orange County
    What little I've read about the sawback bayonet seems to indicate that they weren't very popular with the troops. I've heard they had a tendency to catch or stick when in use.
  4. cubrock

    cubrock Swell guy Benefactor Charter Life Member

    Dec 18, 2016
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    Hickory, NC
    That shorter version is known as the NCO bayonet and was, ostensibly, issued to NCOs. As was already noted, the sawback was primarily issued to engineering units, the idea being it could be used to cut down small trees for building fortifications. The idea worked better in principle than in practice. When used on a human being, they tended to catch (as already noted), and to disembowel the poor soul when they were finally pulled out of the body. The British started executing any German found with a sawback bayonet for this reason, and many to most of them had the sawback removed by the Germans during the Great War. A number survived unscathed, however.

    Worth $250-$300+ online in real world, train-riding money. You will see dealers asking a lot more for them. Your best bet for max price is ebay, but you will deal with a lot of crap, particularly from foreign buyers, if you choose to sell it that way. Around here, you are more likely to get $150-$200 cash in your hand.

    Nice bayonet and a hard version to find, though not impossible. I've had a few over the years.
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