You’ve got to grab one rifle

Only three people including me say an AK or an sks. That is surprising. Ever heard the saying "takes a likin and keeps on tickin"
My experience with the AK is that its heavy af and less accurate than my 10.5" AR with similar power out to 50-100yds. I have yet to see anything on my own that says its more reliable, and the fact that I most likely won't be meeting 1960s era Comm bloc fighters on US soil tells me to use what ammo the perceived opponent will drop
 
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I'm already where I need to be, but if MS13 from hell is coming and I have to de-ass the homestead for awhile I think my 16" AR and a bunch of loaded mags is what I'd take. Rifle is light, ammo is light (lighter than 9mm), good for CQB out to at least 500, and around these parts that's more than enough range. It's the most versatile, capable platform IMHO. This is what I would choose if I knew things were likely to get hairy, if I get caught out and am just getting home I think I'd rather have my CMR-30, both gun and ammo are super light, I have a quick disconnect lightweight 3x9 scope with it and my 9mm can will work on it (it might require going offensive to get home, who knows?), it can't handle 5.56. The CMR is just 22mag but it can really put out the rounds fast and it'll also put one in a noggin easy enough at 150yds.
 
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A suppressed , supersonic 556 can still be heard a good ways off.

Like, 500+ yards, right?
Has a lot to do with how far the bullet travels supersonic. The bullet moving through the air is what makes the crack, and it's making that sound along the entire bullet path until it hits something or drops subsonic. In practice I think people just hear a loud crack and it's hard to tell where it came from unless they're standing right next to you.
 
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SHTF situation where I leave my home, supplies, guns and ammo, and food with just one rifle?

Not likely... Given a vehicle I would bring an arsenal. Even on foot and solo(probably not going to happen), if it's a legit free-for-all, I'm going to bring a couple of options...

AR SBR suppressed for sure though...
 
On second thought...maybe my unsuppressed 7.5” 5.56 SBR. Or my Beowulf. The projectile takes out the one/two directly in front of you, and the brake on each one acts like a flash bang to disable the rest. :eek:
 
I'm always surprised to hear about people suggesting a rifle cartridge SBR in these scenarios. Unless you have the luxury of multiple barrels on hand, I'd avoid these as they're going to wear quicker with excessive throat erosion. They're great, and have their time and place for being appropriate, but it's just not durable enough for me to consider for this type of situation. Carbine length or longer would be more durable over time.

While I also love the idea of a 9mm or .22LR just for the shear volume of ammo I would be able to carry, they just don't have the effective range to be viable when there are likely going to be many others with greater distance capacity. Given that information, and needing an appropriate stand off distance, 5.56 would be the smallest I would feel comfortable with relying upon. I'll sure as hell try to avoid any and all gunfights, but avoidance alone will not prevent a scenario.

I'll most likely grab my HK MR556, but I'm also thinking I need a can for it now....

Grim,

I think the ideas you bring up is 1st world issue. The throat erosion is between 8-13k rounds. That's from birth to replacement of the barrel. If one has a range gun and then uses it as a "I have only one gun" the wear can be even sooner. I would argue that in such a "I only have one gun" situation to expect to shoot to the level that throat erosion affects performance is a bit excessive is round count and even distances one would even shoot at in the first place. A 4 MOA accurate rifle works great to 300yds if properly zero'ed.
 
Grim,

I think the ideas you bring up is 1st world issue. The throat erosion is between 8-13k rounds. That's from birth to replacement of the barrel. If one has a range gun and then uses it as a "I have only one gun" the wear can be even sooner. I would argue that in such a "I only have one gun" situation to expect to shoot to the level that throat erosion affects performance is a bit excessive is round count and even distances one would even shoot at in the first place. A 4 MOA accurate rifle works great to 300yds if properly zero'ed.

I completely agree. I bought a hunting rifle, and was a little disappointed it didn't shoot as accurately as my SSG, but it'll kill a deer and consistently makes 1 MOA 5-shot groups.
 
I could only grab one rifle, I'd use my SKS to rob the first person I saw carrying a duffle bag.

I hear you can get duffle bags most anywhere without a license, or background check or anything. Might want to get one before you have to turn to highway robbery...

:)

Also, SKSes are kinda fun to shoot.
 
I have the good fortune to already be where I would go. No bugging out from here, I'm already bugged out. Besides, where would I go? This is where the resources are and this is where I will take a stand. You have no idea what a burden it lifts when you no longer have to think that way, bugging out.
But, for the exercise, if I had to hit the road with one rifle, it would be a scoped .22, for the aforementioned reasons. Stealth, ammo load, weight, etc. You can do a lot with a .22. Optionally, it might be an AR with a CMMG .22 conversion. But, I would prefer the precision of a good dedicated .22.
 
As.much as I like to come up with a really cool scenario, the sad truth is a fat old man with bad knees doesn't run,
Shelter in place, this is the Alamo and I can accept that.
 
I have the good fortune to already be where I would go. No bugging out from here, I'm already bugged out. Besides, where would I go? This is where the resources are and this is where I will take a stand. You have no idea what a burden it lifts when you no longer have to think that way, bugging out.
But, for the exercise, if I had to hit the road with one rifle, it would be a scoped .22, for the aforementioned reasons. Stealth, ammo load, weight, etc. You can do a lot with a .22. Optionally, it might be an AR with a CMMG .22 conversion. But, I would prefer the precision of a good dedicated .22.

I was waiting for someone to go here.... I agree. I don't have to knock someone off their feet in order to take them out of the fight. If I slip a .22 slug in your ear or eye your day is over and someone will need to take care of you so in essence I've taken 2 out of the fight. I have something that I can carry a LOT of ammo instead of just a little, it's light and deadly accurate. Perfect for ME....
 
My 11.5 AR pistol with lpvo and a Glock 19 (since it's on me anyway). Plenty of ammo to gather along ones adventures and I'm fairly proficient with both. Maybe I'll find a can along my way.
 
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Just 1 rifle? It would have to be my Colt SP1 and as much ammo/mags as I can carry. Not for any practical or tactical reason. It's my favorite rifle and can't leave it behind.
 
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Let me ask this now...

Between a red dot/holo sight and a low powered 1-4/1-6/1-8

What would you guys prefer to have on your SHTF rifle. Im running an eotech 512 on mine and love it, but trying to pick off my 10" plate at 300 with it, wasnt anywhere as easy as with my bolt guns lol
 
All have their uses. Just let them get closer then hit them with the claymores (SHTF, I know how to make them). But longer ranges past 300m is where magnified optics get the nod. That's also the reason the Army only qualifies out to 300m. Past that you can't determine if is a threat or not without optics. Maybe add a magnifier to the Eotech?

Running around the FOB, prefer the upper with the Aimpoint T1. However when I travel I take the other upper with the 3x scope in case the helo crashes and I'm out defending in bad guy country. Worked out to 500m so far.

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Now the disadvantage of hitting them from afar assuming you hit the target but what if you miss? What are they going to do? They are going to ground and fire and maneuver on your six. In a self defense shoot, going to be very hard to justify shooting that far. More than likely all engagements against marauding elements are going to be close ie less then 25m. That's where the red dot shines.


CD
 
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Let me ask this now...

Between a red dot/holo sight and a low powered 1-4/1-6/1-8

What would you guys prefer to have on your SHTF rifle. Im running an eotech 512 on mine and love it, but trying to pick off my 10" plate at 300 with it, wasnt anywhere as easy as with my bolt guns lol

Well I think the reality of the situation dictates the use right? If one is to think it all the way through a handgun is for 99% of use in a SHTF situation. That covers from the 50yds and in situation. The 1% is offensive / planned defensive operations, both of these a LPVO is the best. But not illuminated. All the battery powered optics are great until batteries can not be had. This is where the ACOG and wired / etched reticles / fiber reticles win everytime.

John
 
A LPVO would be my choice. In this scenario I would be grabbing my Daniel Defense with Trijicon Accupower 1-4

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As.much as I like to come up with a really cool scenario, the sad truth is a fat old man with bad knees doesn't run,
Shelter in place, this is the Alamo and I can accept that.

I’m the same. But sometimes SHTF is flooding or a forest fire so I still spend time thinking about bugging out.
 
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My old trusted savage in 308, ain't pruddy but she'll shoot better than me.


I can reload/find ammo anywhere and kill anything from a mouse to a elephant.......maybe not with one shot but y'all get the jest of my point.
 
Too old and in no shape to bug out so I can just pick and choose between bolt, semi and that other position.
 
I have the good fortune to already be where I would go. No bugging out from here, I'm already bugged out. Besides, where would I go? This is where the resources are and this is where I will take a stand. You have no idea what a burden it lifts when you no longer have to think that way, bugging out.
But, for the exercise, if I had to hit the road with one rifle, it would be a scoped .22, for the aforementioned reasons. Stealth, ammo load, weight, etc. You can do a lot with a .22. Optionally, it might be an AR with a CMMG .22 conversion. But, I would prefer the precision of a good dedicated .22.

The AR with the CMMG kit is great, for about 40 rounds then it is far from accurate without deleading the barrel even with jacketed bullets. Plus the mags are a bitch to load. I'll go with the scoped Marlin 60 if I have to go with a 22. 14 rounds in the tube and way easier to load them. Plus the rifling is correct for a 40 grain pill so it's inherently more accurate. Otherwise it's the 7.62x39 AR. I figure the guys with the AK's won't be able to hit me, and I can take their ammo! HAHA!
 
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Afghanistan uses UTC+4:30
Why? Because they want to and because they can. Any sovereign country can choose to set any time standards that suits it.
It is usual for countries to set their standard time in one hour increments to form a standard time shift pattern around the world, but that is a convention and not a compulsion. They can set their own country’s time to suit themselves.

There are some time zones that use 45 minutes too. Depending on the season there's 37/39 time zones.

To be fair and accurate, Astan is UTC+4:40, minus 200 years....
 
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