Zamboni Driver stops 8 of 10 in Goal for Carolina Win
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When I got to my game last night a couple teammates were talking about this. Dude is in his 40s and got to suit up!
Really awesome!
Just a shame they won, I hate the Canes
Really awesome!
Just a shame they won, I hate the Canes
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This may be the worst rule in sports. Each rink has a guy that prior to the game is not on the roster. Then in an emergency he signs a deal, suits up and plays. WTF? How pathetic is this for a professional sports league? Either add a roster spot, or make a non-goalie suit up. Kinda like someone occasionally does in the MLB at catcher.
Wonder why this rule exists?
Dude got paid $500 by the team.
NHL minimum salary = $700,000.
hhhhmmmm?
Wonder why this rule exists?
Dude got paid $500 by the team.
NHL minimum salary = $700,000.
hhhhmmmm?
OP
Who pissed in your Wheaties this morning? I think the rule has been in place for a few years now. I think only 3 goalie have made it on the ice.
The rule exists because it makes no sense to waste one if 20 spots on a goalie that will never enter the game. You could use another player but these guys are better than sticking a skater in the net.
After the first 2 he played pretty well.
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I was discussing this rule a few weeks ago at work. In depth.
It is a horrible rule for several reasons. From a fan and hockey perspective it sucks. All it does is save the multi-billionaire owners from paying for another roster spot. So the fans and Canes could watch a guy that would never normally sniff the ice get play time. Glad the guy got his 5 minutes and didn’t flop. Good for him.
If you cry during Hallmark movies or the NBC personal stories they show during the Olympics this is for you. If you follow hockey or sports in general it is sad.
Hey let’s pull an ex-high school player out of the stands to pitch the 9th!
And with that NHL minimum salary one is expected to be at hundreds of practices, workouts, public events, and then to the games.
This was one game.
It's happened on less occasions ever than I have toes on my right foot. Or left.
Why carry a THIRD goalie that will NOT see the ice?
OP
I was sports and I watch hockey. It has been used 3 times that I can remember where the guy got onto the ice. The rule is fine. Seems like 2 of the 3 that made it into the game actually played well. The other guy was in the game for about 30 seconds. I would argue if you actually watch the tape of the game from a fan perspective it was great. Toronto laid a giant turd on the ice and the only thing they had to cheer about was the reserve goal keeper. It sounds like you are just bitter about someone else having more money than you do and someone else getting to live out one of their lifelong dreams. Again why be such a downer?
OP
IIRC the rule is that each stadium has a reserve goal tender in who can be called up to play for either team. The game was in Toronto so I assume he is a Toronto fan. He has also practiced with them and the other local semi-pro team in the past so they may have let him keep the equipment.
OP
Also the reasoning behind the rule has nothing to do with the owners being billionaires. It has to do with logistic roster sizes etc.... The money part is so minor that it is not a factor. It makes no sense for a team to carry 3 goalies. Just like it make no sense for a NFL to carry two punters. If the one gets injured you have the place kicker punt. If you lose both you put in another player who punted at some point in their career like Joe Theisman who shanked a punt for 1 yard back in the day for the Redskins. That really worked out great for the fans. The idea that the 3rd guy would be any better is laughable. There are not enough reps in practice for a 3rd. Similar to why a lot of NFL teams don't carry a 3rd QB.
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So funny I am weeping........ someone get me tissue.If you watch the highlights I posted above he played pretty well after he settled down IMHO but maybe I am just being overly emotional and sentimental.
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That’s awesome! Good for him and the Canes needed a win so good for them, too.
Come on, I know you are a smart guy. Reading comprehension. I never trashed the guy. I trashed the rule. How great would it be if the Canes lost a playoff spot because some guy had to play goalie? The rule is foolish. It just hasn’t caught up to them yet.
More money than I do? Is the zamboni guy a well know rich guy or something? That’s funny.
It is about the league and teams offering a lesser product to save a few bucks. Most fans don’t pay what they pay for seats to watch the zamboni guy play. Well, at least I don’t. Maybe people like low-rent hockey.
The NHL has players in the press box that are healthy scratches every game. Plenty of ways to carry a 3rd goalie. It’s so much better to have a guy that isn’t even on the team to roll in and play. Wonder what they would have done had the Leafs goalies gone down? Pulled in zamboni guy’s wife?
Guess the Skins should have had a better plan. And more versatile athletes. Wonder why baseball teams value guys that are actual athletes and can play more than 1 position? Good planning and management.
Wow didn’t know people felt so strongly about this on either side. It’s a cool story, be happy for the guy and those who get to re-live their dream of playing pro sports.
But from a non-hockey fan it seems incredibly odd to be an actual rule. Just use another player. Oh they suck? Tough, that’s how the cookie crumbles.
But from a non-hockey fan it seems incredibly odd to be an actual rule. Just use another player. Oh they suck? Tough, that’s how the cookie crumbles.
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Come on, I know you are a smart guy. Reading comprehension. I never trashed the guy. I trashed the rule. How great would it be if the Canes lost a playoff spot because some guy had to play goalie? The rule is foolish. It just hasn’t caught up to them yet.
More money than I do? Is the zamboni guy a well know rich guy or something? That’s funny.
It is about the league and teams offering a lesser product to save a few bucks. Most fans don’t pay what they pay for seats to watch the zamboni guy play. Well, at least I don’t. Maybe people like low-rent hockey.
Referring to your billionaire owner comment. You seemed to feel the need to lash out at the owners who yes all make more money than you do. It's not about them being cheap or squeezing labor. Its about the realities and priorities of an NHL roster.
Do you honestly think the avg NHL owner cares about one additional player? That is your arguement? It is not about the money its is about player development for the franchise and the player. A 3rd goalie reps is is not going to get the reps to stay sharp and improve. Teams with 2 good goal keepers have problems keeping both of them on the top of their game. When someone gets hot they eat up all the reps. That 3rd guy would not ever see the ice enough to develop into a full time keeper even in practice.
The organization and the player are better off with them playing everyday at an affiliate team in the American Hockey league playing everyday and getting better. Why would you stunt a players development for the something that has happened 3 times since about 1963? That makes no sense to keep a 3rd goalie you are never going to use.
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I don't care either way really I agree its a cool story I just think CZfool68 has so burr up his shorts for some reason. This rule has been evoked 3 times in the last 50 years IIRC. One was also for the Hurricanes and the guy was in for something like 30 seconds. The other two times in 2018 and last night both goalies won. Don't see a problem.
Most fans don’t pay what they pay for seats to watch the zamboni guy play. Well, at least I don’t. Maybe people like low-rent hockey.
Considering how many people go to a hockey game EVERY NIGHT during the NHL season vs the amount that have paid for a ticket and seen a emergency go in...yeah, it's such a small percent that it's not worth noting.
Also I, a hockey fan, just saw an interview with him. CZ mentioned that he'd never get to 'sniff the ice' or something, he stated he's practiced with the Leafs and their local minor league team before. On that ice.
So, there's that.
Ha. Sports owners must care about roster size since they fight the players’ unions about it when every CBA comes up. Sure the Canes owner might spend more than that on greens’ fees, but I don’t see leagues being very flexible on roster sizes.
Does there need to be a 3rd goalie? Couldn’t another play suit up and play the position? Why does a person that is not a member of the team get to have an impact on the result? That’s just odd. And it is not giving their customers the best product they could. Wonder what the average Canes’ fan thought when he let up 2 quick goals. Bet the story has changed.
Wouldn’t it have been great if the Niners pulled a guy off the street to play QB in the 2nd half of the Super Bowl? Yeah, that would be awesome!
In comes Andrew Luck for the winning drive.
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What’s evident to me, is a lot of people in this thread making comments and/or asking questions haven’t read the article linked in the OP.
So in effect all the teams have maybe 6 goalies in hand if you count the AHL and ECHL, etc affiliates. On any given day they can call up any of them if a situation is known in advance, but the odds of losing both your "NHL" guys in one game is freaky, not something that any team would plan for.
And yes, Ayres was a local to the Leafs and Marlies organizations in the same way that Jorge Alves was a local to the Canes org and got to step in once for like 20 seconds in a game. Alves is now an equipment manager for the canes and I think I heard on the broadcast that the emergency goalie cannot be a team employee or something like that.
Ice rinks all over the planet are sprinkled with guys that played pro or nearly pro hockey, or played one game, or got injured, etc.
And yes, Ayres was a local to the Leafs and Marlies organizations in the same way that Jorge Alves was a local to the Canes org and got to step in once for like 20 seconds in a game. Alves is now an equipment manager for the canes and I think I heard on the broadcast that the emergency goalie cannot be a team employee or something like that.
Ice rinks all over the planet are sprinkled with guys that played pro or nearly pro hockey, or played one game, or got injured, etc.
Until it is. Remember the MLB All-Star game debacle? Nobody ever thought that would happen either.
Yeah, and he practices with the Leafs and their players. Then played for the Canes against the Leafs.
That makes a lot of sense.
hey man, you look it up. He's played around with them in the past.
As far as the MLB all star game - no clue what youre talking about, not a baseball fan.
What’s evident to me, is a lot of people in this thread making comments and/or asking questions haven’t read the article linked in the OP.
Dont you mean CZ?
Oh no!
I didn’t read what some sports writer wrote. I am a bad man.
I watched most of the game so I’ll sleep ok tonight.
Not bad, just not willing to research this topic that you seem so passionate about.
What would you call a person that does that?
Barry Melrose was just on ESPN saying how bad a system it is that the NHL is using for backup goalies. In his opinion the NHL will change this rule relatively soon. He may be wrong about that, but at least I have 1 person on earth that agrees with me.
As to not researching it and reading the OP, I watched the game and read several articles about it. Pretty sure I didn’t need to read that writer’s article to have a clue about what happened. Maybe before accusing me of not researching it you should actually ask me. I’m a pretty open book. Even when I am wrong and idiotic, I’m pretty honest. I’ll admit my ignorance when I am clueless.
As to not researching it and reading the OP, I watched the game and read several articles about it. Pretty sure I didn’t need to read that writer’s article to have a clue about what happened. Maybe before accusing me of not researching it you should actually ask me. I’m a pretty open book. Even when I am wrong and idiotic, I’m pretty honest. I’ll admit my ignorance when I am clueless.
So we're supposed to ask you about things we assume you know since you speak with such authority on it?
Gotcha.
Go be bitter some more about this guy (and the other two) who got to live out their childhood dream.
Gotcha.
Go be bitter some more about this guy (and the other two) who got to live out their childhood dream.