I'm really glad I quit flying United years ago

HMP said:
Something tells me that most here would not be calm when someone went hands-on with them like they did here.
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Something tells me that most here would, on and enclosed airplane, comply if they were told by the owner of the airplane to get off the airplane. Hands on would not be an issue.
 
I am not saying the airline handled it correctly, and I am not defending them, but I am curious. What should the legal owner of the aircraft, who is responsible for the safety and well being of all the passengers on the aircraft, do when this guy refused to get off their aircraft.

Again, they could have handled it differently, but that is me substituting my judgement for theirs. Not going to fly in a court of law. So what happens now. The next time someone is involuntarily chosen to deplane due to overbooking (and it is legal and happens all the time) and they refuse. I'll tell you. The airline will cancel the flight, call security, everyone will be taken off the plane and then everyone is screwed. They cannot allow passengers to dictate to the flight crew what they will and won't do. Not going to happen. And honestly, I would not want to be on an airline that would allow passengers to do what this guy did.

Again, they could have handled it differently, but their choice. And once they made it, he should have complied. Actually, he should be arrested for interfering with a flight crew, and yes, it is a federal crime.

I have seen aircraft taxiing out for departure and a passenger get up to use the lav and refuse to go back to their seat. Aircraft stopped. Stayed where it was for a good 30 min, then when the passenger finally strapped in, they taxied back to the gate and he passenger was taken off. Forcibly (I was informed). I have seen aircraft on short final for landing have to execute a go around and enter holding because someone refused to stay in their seat. Don't want to comply with the rules you agreed to when you bought a ticket, Drive.
 
At the end of the day it's not your plane. If you're told to get off the plane, you get to walk off, or get dragged off.
United screwed the pooch, the security/police screwed it again, but the Dr. made the decision to stay on the plane. Unfortunately for him that wasn't an option.
 
Friday said:
Seriously? Flying is not a right enshrined. It's a I sell/you buy arrangement.
Have an issue with the agreement, call your attorney...and good luck with that. You can't read fine print, you didn't peruse the rules at home before going to the airport, you did absolutely no research at all, and then get prissy when..surprise..life sucks and then you die.

And I'm just wildly guessing here, but I don't see a staunch conservative behaving like this guy. Vocal on your way out maybe, but kicking and screaming like a spoiled Paris Hilton drama queen leads me to believe this guy still has his Hillary sticker on his car and his membership with Moms demand action paid in full.

No-one volunteered their seat. The computer randomly picked four people. Compensation was given. And the other three displaced people didn't cause an issue, because you-know...adults.

And it turns out David Dao is no angel. Lost his license to practice 10 years ago after a felony conviction for nefarious distribution of drugs.
Some of you guys pick some real winners to defend.

Lastly, I haven't flown in over 25 years. I hate airports and the cattle car mentality that is the industry. You can have my seat anytime you want since I won't be in it.
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The good doctor's background is immaterial. He could have been a serial pedophile or an upstanding citizen. Does his background make what happened OK?

Conservative/liberal is immaterial. Me? You no touchee. You touchee, I touchee back.
 
rdinatal said:
Man, while living in Houston I got a BUNCH of free flights. They were mostly getting back from DFW and some from Austin. Most of the delayed flights from Austin cost me a rental car to get back to Houston that same night and I still got a RT anywhere in the US. Good times...

Now it's, 'you want what???'.

-R
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I had family in The Woodlands. Before we had kids my wife and I flew down for a visit. On the way back, at Bush Intercontinental, they were looking for folks to be bumped. We got dinner, breakfast the next day, first class, two $500 vouchers, and a club pass with a $20 voucher. Thanks, Continental!
 
HMP said:
Out of where?

Ive flown out of GSO and Charlotte in the past 16 months and never spent more than 20 minutes in line.
That said, I like early flights, 7am etc
Even at a big airport, Boston, I only waiting 30 minutes
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RDU. The last time I flew out of RDU it was a nightmare. I flew out of Charlotte last June, easy peasy.
 
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Evidently CEO Munoz disagrees with those who think United was in the right, since hes groveling right now. I bet UAL stock loses 1B worth of value this week.
 
Why demand HE has to get off?
Like others have said, why not bump up the amount offered to get someone ELSE to give their seat up.

Its one thing if they are being a nuisance/not staying seated etc...he just didnt want to give up his flight that day.

What if you were flying out of town for a funeral and were told that you had to get off the plane - you cool with that?
What if there was a medical emergency with a family member, you ok with getting off that plane and waiting another day?
 
Ikarus1 said:
Evidently CEO Munoz disagrees with those who think United was in the right, since hes groveling right now. I bet UAL stock loses 1B worth of value this week.
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It was down 6% yesterday at lunch when i checked. Bet it drops more today too.
 
Mike V said:
Something tells me that most here would, on and enclosed airplane, comply if they were told by the owner of the airplane to get off the airplane. Hands on would not be an issue.
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Owner didnt ask.
 
Chuckman said:
The good doctor's background is immaterial. He could have been a serial pedophile or an upstanding citizen. Does his background make what happened OK?

Conservative/liberal is immaterial. Me? You no touchee. You touchee, I touchee back.
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You have to remember that for some a person's background excludes them from having some rights during incidents such as this one where police go all robocop on them....[emoji15]

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concepthomes1 said:
I flew once in 2009 and once in 2012. None since then. I mostly quit because of the TSA crap but stuff like this reinforces why I drive everywhere I go.
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I love driving, and will be doing it on my next trip in two months. That said, some times time and money comes into play. When its a 14 hour drive and I can spend about twenty bucks more (round trip) to fly and be there in 4 hours...yeah, I'll save 20 hours of time.
 
HMP said:
Like others have said, why not bump up the amount offered to get someone ELSE to give their seat up.
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Because three people had already been forced off and gone quietly. They couldn't very well give up on the fourth and start offering more money, the first three people would (rightly) start demanding more compensation also. Or just sit back down in their seats.

If this had happened prior to boarding it would be a non-issue. If I understand the contract properly an airline has the right to bump you at any time up to boarding.

It's one thing if your Uber driver doesn't show up. It's another entirely if he boots you out at a stoplight once you're already in the car.
 
I have not flown since 1998.

Air Jamaica of all things. I can't remember what kind of plane it was. One of them big jets, 7 somethingorother.

Felt kinda weird because there was only like 15 passengers on the whole jet. We were only flying from Jamaica to Miami. I think a lot of other passengers got spooked and flew another airline the day before when they told us something was wrong with the plane and it would take a whole day to fix it. They put us up in a hotel. Didn't bother me none. I certainly wasn't in a hurry to get back.

The did let me carry a sugar cane machete in my carry on. Thing was darned near 3 foot long and plenty sharp.

I'll never fly an airline again. Post 9-11 air travel looks invasive. If I wanted to be conditioned in such a manner I believe I would move to town.
 
This is usually my experience.....

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Serious concussion, broken nose, sinus injury, 2 teeth.

He is gonna get paid, for sure.

So friggin dumb. They could have raised the price they'd pay for those seats and gotten volunteers for far less than 1% of what this situation will ultimately cost them. Result of a corporate structure that reduces employees to unthinking automatons with no discretion.
 
No Dry, he was being a drama queen libtard and should have just listened to the stewardess when asked to leave!
lol

Yep, as I said, offer more money till someone steps up.
The three before him? Who cares, they agreed to $xxx, doesnt matter that someone else decided to hold out for more
 
drypowder said:
Result of a corporate structure that reduces employees to unthinking automatons with no discretion.
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Extrapolate that to a structure to one that responds to any appearance of resistance by calling in State sanctioned thugs who use physical violence to force compliance with said demands. This is what AmeriKa has become.
 
Ikarus1 said:
Not to worry, the market is correcting dat ass. My moneys on Munoz getting canned
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One can only hope, but then his severance package will likely be bigger then the payout the victim gets.

You know, the more I think about it, I quickly realize that the physical harm inflicted on this guy meets the definition of grave bodily harm. Just saying.....
 
Picking up wife right now. Delta is not boarding until they have a volunteer, and they've been steadily increasingly the amount.
 
SPST said:
If the airlines were not allowed to overbook flights, this would never happen.
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Overbooking is fine and eliminating it would increase ticket costs. They just have to be willing to give back a tiny % of those savings to entice people to give up those seats. Stopping the 'bidding' for volunteers at $800 was idiotic. No doubt they'd have gotten a volunteer under $1500.
 
drypowder said:
Overbooking is fine and eliminating it would increase ticket costs. They just have to be willing to give back a tiny % of those savings to entice people to give up those seats. Stopping the 'bidding' for volunteers at $800 was idiotic. No doubt they'd have gotten a volunteer under $1500.
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Why would it increase ticket costs? If you just don't show up, you should be eating the cost of that ticket, not the airlines. Now, if you call ahead and inform the airlines that you can't make the flight, you should be able to change your ticket.
 
drypowder said:
Overbooking is fine and eliminating it would increase ticket costs. They just have to be willing to give back a tiny % of those savings to entice people to give up those seats. Stopping the 'bidding' for volunteers at $800 was idiotic. No doubt they'd have gotten a volunteer under $1500.
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Once the public figures out that the airlines will keep raising the price for being bumped, people will wait and wait until the offer is just crazy.
 
Another reason I hate to fly is when you get some fat f@#*ers on both sides of you hanging over into the seat that you paid for. They should have plexiglass dividers that come up out of the armrest to prevent this. If you are too fat to fit in an airline seat, you should have to buy 2!
 
SPST said:
Another reason I hate to fly is when you get some fat f@#*ers on both sides of you hanging over into the seat that you paid for. They should have plexiglass dividers that come up out of the armrest to prevent this. If you are too fat to fit in an airline seat, you should have to buy 2!
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people should have to sit in one of those boxes your carry on bag must fit in to but for people to prevent fatties from boarding... if you dont then you go into the belly of the plane with the rest of the cargo... and fatties
 
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SPST said:
Why would it increase ticket costs? If you just don't show up, you should be eating the cost of that ticket, not the airlines. Now, if you call ahead and inform the airlines that you can't make the flight, you should be able to change your ticket.
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Simple.

Scenario A: airline sells 205 seats on a 200 seat plane, knowing that expected number of people who show up will be 200.

Scenario B: airline is prohibited from overbooking and sells 200 seats on a 200 seat plane. Let's assume that they either keep the fare or book someone else for every person who decides not to take that flight.

Which scenario earns more money? Scenario A. So obviously if you make Scenario A impossible, a very competitive industry like airlines will have to raise fares.

SPST said:
Once the public figures out that the airlines will keep raising the price for being bumped, people will wait and wait until the offer is just crazy.
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Except you are ignoring the enormous collective action problem in getting people of various socioeconomic backgrounds, free time and travel schedules to agree to hold out.
 
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