Kyle Rittenhouse 17 year Old Shoots 3 kills 2....

You must be 18 to have a rifle in your possession in WI. That other dude tried to take the rifle from him while he was on the ground, that was a poor decision, edit: watched another video and good thing that rifle was on a sling. :) Got to be a real idiot to try to grab a rifle from the muzzle end.
 
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Button Pusher said:
You must be 18 to have a rifle in your possession in WI. That other dude tried to take the rifle from him while he was on the ground, that was a poor decision.
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Again I cannot state it enough. That single mistake will cost him big time. Everything else flows from that legal point and the fact he is on the wrong side of that law. One can agree or disagree with that law but it will be used against him. There are a ton of cascading poor decisions in those videos.
 
wvsig said:
Again I cannot state it enough. That single mistake will cost him big time. Everything else flows from that legal point and the fact he is on the wrong side of that law. One can agree or disagree with that law but it will be used against him. There are a ton of cascading poor decisions in those videos.
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wvsig said:
After he has already shot someone. It will all get sorted out eventually. In the end it won't matter because the kids presence with the AR15 is foundation for his legal house of cards. From a strick legal standpoint all of his actions will flow from that disputable fact and all other actions will be viewed in light of that first mistake. We will all suffer for it. We will be punished for the poor judgement on this single individual.
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what am I missing? If he had handgun I could see being big deal as it’s 21 everywhere as I understand it. A rifle though?

summary above sounds like self defense if I ever heard it. The kid was getting crap for putting OUT a fire. As noted, that aggressor got popped in the grape for his idiocy.

I don’t know what BLMs fetish is for attacking and disregarding the dangers of armed human beings, but they definitely have raging boner for it. Play with fire you get burned. I mean...play with fire and it’s whiteys fault.
 
wvsig said:
Again I cannot state it enough. That single mistake will cost him big time. Everything else flows from that legal point and the fact he is on the wrong side of that law. One can agree or disagree with that law but it will be used against him. There are a ton of cascading poor decisions in those videos.
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He did not 'intend' to kill anyone. Hope he has good lawyer. edit: That guy with the skate board tried to harm him, a police officer in WI was injured the same way with a skate board.
 
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Sigequinox220 said:
what am I missing? If he had handgun I could see being big deal as it’s 21 everywhere as I understand it. A rifle though?

summary above sounds like self defense if I ever heard it. The kid was getting crap for putting OUT a fire. As noted, that aggressor got popped in the grape for his idiocy.

I don’t know what BLMs fetish is for attacking and disregarding the dangers of armed human beings, but they definitely have raging boner for it. Play with fire you get burned. I mean...play with fire and it’s whiteys fault.
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I believe that in WI a 17 year old cannot own or possesses a rifle . They can posses a handgun.

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/blog/wisconsin-gun-laws-what-you-need-to-know/

Can Someone Under 21 Own a Handgun in Wisconsin?
Yes. Federal law prohibits handgun sales by licensed dealers to persons under 21. Unlicensed dealers are prohibited only from selling handguns to persons under 18. Although Wisconsin state law imposes a minimum age of 18 for possessing long guns, there is no minimum age for handgun possession.

He is also on the wrong side of their open carry law.

Do You Need a Permit to Carry a Gun in Wisconsin?
Yes and no. Open carry is legal for any person who is 18 years or older who is not prohibited from possessing a firearm under state and federal laws. Concealed carry is legal with a Wisconsin Concealed Weapons License (CWL) or a license/permit from a state that Wisconsin honors.
 
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wvsig said:
After he has already shot someone.
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Pard, the vids you haven't seen but we have in the other sections show him running away after putting out the dumpster fire and being chased by a man that throws a Fire Bomb at him narrowly missing him and then proceeds to run on up on the young guy and gets shot for his attack. That was the first guy he shot and why.
 
just watched all videos.

1. this couldn't be clearer case of self defense
2. protesters of late have fetish for challenging armed people and then complaining about the consequences afterwards
3. that kid handled weapon very well
4.i think I need to start taking a rifle with me. been way too any instances lately where handgun is/would be totally inadequate
5. people said 'call the police'....now THAT is some funny stuff right there
 
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BatteryOaksBilly said:
Pard, the vids you haven't seen but we have in the other sections show him running away after putting out the dumpster fire and being chased by a man that throws a Fire Bomb at him narrowly missing him and then proceeds to run on up on the young guy and gets shot for his attack. That was the first guy he shot and why.
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I have seen those videos. You have to be able to look at is from all perspectives. The people in the second video did not see the actions in the first one. They see someone running with a gun. Someone screams he has shot someone. They then act to protect themselves and others. I don't care about the color of their skin or the motivations for being in the streets. At that point they are acting from the facts as they know them. They made an uninformed and IMHO poor decision to confront the kid with the rifle. When we put ourselves in situations that we cannot control we leave ourselves vulnerable to poor decisions. None of that is going to change this kids fate. He is on the wrong side of the law from the moment he stepped foot into WI carrying that AR15. The law does not give a crap about the rest.

Like I said there is a cascading set of poor decisions. The kids poor decision unfortunately is the only ones which have the potential to add to more restrictions on my liberty. I don't live in a major city for a reason. ;)
 
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Button Pusher said:
Some of them had a death wish, others not too smart, running full speed into the steel fencing at the city buildings, just nuts.
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Who could have figured that wanting to violently enforce your will onto others could have such dire results?
 
Button Pusher said:
Some of them had a death wish, others not too smart, running full speed into the steel fencing at the city buildings, just nuts.
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Which is why if you can you stay as far away from that crap as you can. If you are there you do your best to protect you and yours but inserting yourself into madness is not smart. Especially when doing so is breaking a states firearm laws.
 
gunbelt said:
A few more of those peaceful protesters bleeding out might just get a few to see the error of their ways. I say pat the boy on the back & give him a couple cases of ammo.
No one died that didnt need killing.
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He sure ruined ol Tony Hawk's day when he tried to comb his hair with that skateboard.
 
Should or should not have been there?

This 17 y.o. kid shows up, armed, to assist in protecting both protestors and businesses.

“Well, he’s not LE!”

Damn right...he’s a citizen.

This is the kind of kid that’ll show before sunrise at Lexington Green and say, “Alright...let’s do it.”
 
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From what I can see he technically was acting in self defense. He will be crucified though and to some extent us along with him. What he did was basically a freedom of navigation cruise like we do with armed ships in the South China Sea, but we expect China to act with restraint. What he did was almost guaranteed to go south, even though he might not technically be at fault. On the face of it I back what he did, and it should be done more and this bullshit will stop, I don't feel one ounce of pity for those shot in self defense, but this is wining the battle at the cost of most likely losing the war.
 
premise said:
Who could have figured that wanting to violently enforce your will onto others could have such dire results?
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Best part is, the people screamed to call the cops. it feels like a skit from SNL.

This kid did NOTHING wrong, morally anyway. if he broke a law by being in possession of a firearm, well, there is an insurmountable list of illegal gun owning individuals among the burn loot murder community and an even longer list of petty-to-heinous crimes committed by the dozens on a daily basis--many of which not even being prosecuted these days. I wouldn't willingly go anywhere near these piece of...poop. But if I did, I would be armed for sure.
 
Yeah, not a smart move on the kids part from the beginning. It's going to ruin the rest of his life. Kinda like another George Zimmerman wannabe.
 
rcems2000 said:
I haven't read the whole story but this hurts us folks as pro second amendment. It just gives the gun hatters more to use against us.
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how is justifiable self defense (by large margin the appropriate assumption prior to trial and all facts) against an armed angry mob bad for 2A?

nothing is 'good' for 2A. its lose lose for us. I'm surprised this hasn't happened 100 times already. its actually perplexing that it has not. these idiots play with fire time and time again and then the rest of them cry when one gets burned. they need to grow the hell up, get jobs, stop female dogging and take control of their own destiny instead of blaming police, or whitey, or orange man for they incessant failure.
 
DCGallim said:
It’s really frustrating for a Pro 2A community to go full Brady Campaign when someone uses a weapon to defend themselves. He was 17, so what. He crossed state lines, didn’t realize that was illegal and who cares if it is. The state has abandoned these people and he showed up to protect life and property, good on him. I hope his bail was made quickly and these charges are dropped even faster.
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At the end of the day, this will be the reaction of the majority of the 2A community at the very moment there's real cost to being Free.

Many of those aghast at this clear case of self defense are the same ones who brush off every infringement as no big deal, as arguing in the defense of gimmicky gadgets and things no one really needs.

They'll be first in line to turn them in, the first to name Names, and the most shocked when their collaboration gets them and their families locked in a burning church by those who promised absolution for meek obedience.
 
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SPST said:
Yeah, not a smart move on the kids part from the beginning. It's going to ruin the rest of his life. Kinda like another George Zimmerman wannabe.
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George Zimmerman had Molotovs thrown at him by the lead pack wolf who was supported by a degenerate, aggressive, violent and armed mob? Not even close in comparison.

this is a free country. if he wants to go to protest he has every G-D right to do so. and if he went to such a protest unarmed, he would be even stupider. the only thing unfortunate is that he was put in the position to use it. the only 'not smart moves' made were the people who thought charging at a dude armed with a rifle would end well for them.
 
Whatever. The kid is going to be in jail for quite a while. Not smart going from his state to another state to participate in riots. Now, if they had come to his neighborhood, that would be a different story.
 
SPST said:
Whatever. The kid is going to be in jail for quite a while. Not smart going from his state to another state to participate in riots. Now, if they had come to his neighborhood, that would be a different story.
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Standing up for what’s right shouldn’t be limited by imaginary line drawn on a map by politicians.
 
wvsig said:
Oh I know. It is sad that he has flushed his life down the toilet over this crap.
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Man, you've already got him in prison. From what I saw the kid didn't shoot anyone who wasn't an immediate threat to him even when he was being surrounded he only shot the ones who were in the process of assaulting him, including the first guy with the head shot.

He then went to the police with hands raised and to my eyes he was trying to surrender himself to them. The police didn't realize he was involved and ordered him out of the street.

As far as how prudent it was for him to be there can't we say the same about everyone there?

Minor with a rifle. OK there is a charge but are they going to charge him as an adult? That could get sticky.
 
premise said:
Some of y'all in here acting like he killed humans.
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This is why I fear we will lose.

Lose our county, lose our freedom, lose our lives.

Our side screams, "Someone needs to do something."

Well, someone shows up (a kid no less), does work, every bit of the timeline recorded. Our side picks apart every little detail and screams about laws that were broken.

This is why we lose. We can't organize and we can't agree on anything. God help us.

I'd buy the kid a coke and a pack of candy cigs... I'd love to buy him a couple fingers of brandy and cigar but I'd be crucified for that as well.
 
J R Green said:
Man, you've already got him in prison. From what I saw the kid didn't shoot anyone who wasn't an immediate threat to him even when he was being surrounded he only shot the ones who were in the process of assaulting him, including the first guy with the head shot.

He then went to the police with hands raised and to my eyes he was trying to surrender himself to them. The police didn't realize he was involved and ordered him out of the street.

As far as how prudent it was for him to be there can't we say the same about everyone there?

Minor with a rifle. OK there is a charge but are they going to charge him as an adult? That could get sticky.
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He is already being charged as an adult. Can't have it both ways. He is man and wants to carry a gun into another state to do man stuff in the middle of this shit show then he should be charged as a man. Hard to believe anyone would see it any other way. I am not got him anywhere. He has started a chain of events which I am willing to bet ends with jail time. YMMV Which is perfectly OK with me.
 
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