Kyle Rittenhouse 17 year Old Shoots 3 kills 2....

TSConver said:
This what I have been saying. And by being armed he could be considered the provoker. Look at 2a above directly from the WI law. He was engaged in unlawful conduct by open carrying a long gun and being 17. Not saying it is right but it is a fact.

He did try to retreat but did he do enough. Only a jury can decide that or he might be wise in getting a judge trial and just looking at the law not the feelings of jurors.
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If carrying a rifle was unlawful, the kid lost any Castle Doctrine presumptions in 939.48(1m)(ar) and (b) --- not that the Castle Doctrine was relevant as he was out on a public street and not defending himself in a dwelling, vehicle, or business.

939.48(2) only deals with whether provocation requires a duty to retreat. Even then, a person can legally use deadly force when they have "exhausted every other reasonable means to escape" which would be true of a person on their back on the ground and being attacked by multiple assailants.

939.48(2)(b) removes even that duty to retreat after a person "withdraws from the fight" which courts all across the country have consistently ruled to include running away from a fight.
 
Sigequinox220 said:
just watched all videos.

1. this couldn't be clearer case of self defense
2. protesters of late have fetish for challenging armed people and then complaining about the consequences afterwards
3. that kid handled weapon very well
4.i think I need to start taking a rifle with me. been way too any instances lately where handgun is/would be totally inadequate
5. people said 'call the police'....now THAT is some funny stuff right there
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My next gun may be a rifle.....if I can find one and have any $$....lol.
 
Detailed audio and video analysis by a lawyer...

 
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Charlie said:
I have gone from a 9mm to a 40 and from an AR 15 to an AR 10 and plenty of magazines for both in my truck.
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Once the Mr. Floyd stuff began near here, I started carrying the .45 on my person, with extra magazines, with the CZ and extra magazines in the cup holder.....and the .380 nearby, with the .38 close too......
 
Button Pusher said:
You must be 18 to have a rifle in your possession in WI. That other dude tried to take the rifle from him while he was on the ground, that was a poor decision, edit: watched another video and good thing that rifle was on a sling. :) Got to be a real idiot to try to grab a rifle from the muzzle end.
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This is not true. You can actually have a rifle/shotgun in your hands under some circumstances at age 10.
 
After looking at the first few pages of this, the only conclusion I can come to is that there is a large segment of this forum who NEVER EVER EVER should go to law school, and if they do, they NEVER EVER EVER need to defend a person in gun situation. Sheesh.
 
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Firemedic54 said:
They were so quick to jump out and charge this kid who was running for his life. Haven't seen yet where they have charged the one armed bandit with possession of a firearm by a felon.
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I am confused. Are you talking about forum members or members of the state of WI legal establishment?
 
ontheroad said:
FWIW, I've seen a few folks on the Interwebz mocking this kid but when you think about it...
  • He only fired at identified threats.
  • He wasn't spraying rounds.
  • He hit his intended targets.
  • No collateral damage.
Not half bad for a 17 year old who was pretty much out of his element.
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Seems he also cleared a malfuction.

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Is this leagal? said:
The guy who had his bicep suddenly removed...he was advancing for an attack. In some videos, you can see Kyle point his weapon at would be attacker. Would be attacker stops, puts hands up, Kyle immediately lowers the rifle. Then would be attacker/felon/insurrectionist draws a handgun, and learns a valuable lesson.
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Attacker already had the handgun out. You can see it forward in one of the videos. As he puts the brakes on, hands up, the gun is still in his right hand with the thumb over the grip holding in. Kyle clears a malfunction and Bicep seeing his opportunity brings his pistol to bare. Kyle is quicker. There were other possible threats such as the antifia guy across the street with a 2x4 in his hands. Kyle only engages those that are an immediate threat and there's still other shots heard at this time.

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Firemedic54 said:
They were so quick to jump out and charge this kid who was running for his life. Haven't seen yet where they have charged the one armed bandit with possession of a firearm by a felon.
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Only reason I can see not charging him is for the fact, right now he's in the hospital on his own dime. If they arrest him now then the city/county picks up the tab. I'm sure they know when he's getting released.

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Duty to retreat only applies if there is a SAFE avenue of retreat. If you are on the ground and somebody is swinging a skateboard at your head or pointing a pistol at you there is no SAFE AVENUE of retreat. If you try to get up they can still bash you in the head or shoot you. At that point you are relieved of your duty to retreat as you cannot do so SAFELY.

As to the first incident, the kid was retreating the other guy was chasing him and gaining and also throws the molotov cocktail at him. I would argue that he also did not have a SAFE avenue of retreat in that case.
 
Looks like he gets to keep his limbs for now.
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Looks like they threw the book at him -- not that I'm surprised.

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I have a serious question that I haven't seen brought up anywhere.

Observations:
  • We have a "peaceful" protest going on.
  • The bulk of the people seen in the videos are white males.
  • Kyle ends up defending himself against 3 of them.
  • Those three turn out to be felons.
My question is:
What is the likelihood that out of a crowd of "peaceful" protesters Kyle would randomly encounter 3 felons? Is that just the nature of felons and we should expect them to gravitate towards violence? Or is it more likely that the crowd of "peaceful" protesters was salted with A LOT of hand picked violent felons placed there to incite mayhem?
 
Brian K said:
I have a serious question that I haven't seen brought up anywhere.

Observations:
  • We have a "peaceful" protest going on.
  • The bulk of the people seen in the videos are white males.
  • Kyle ends up defending himself against 3 of them.
  • Those three turn out to be felons.
My question is:
What is the likelihood that out of a crowd of "peaceful" protesters Kyle would randomly encounter 3 felons? Is that just the nature of felons and we should expect them to gravitate towards violence? Or is it more likely that the crowd of "peaceful" protesters was salted with A LOT of hand picked violent felons placed there to incite mayhem?
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Its been said elsewhere (I have not confirmed) that all three shot were out on covid release from jail/prison. Who else would be better to hire and bus across the country?

I've never been a fan of RICO. That said, the heads need to be cut from the snake. Get rid of their funding and this mess comes to an abrupt halt.
 
Firemedic54 said:
They were so quick to jump out and charge this kid who was running for his life. Haven't seen yet where they have charged the one armed bandit with possession of a firearm by a felon.
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Now you're thinking, and what's the charge for "depravation of rights under color of law"? It's a felony. So the ones who ordered the arrest of the "law abiding citizen" are complicit as well. Criminals don't want you to be able to defend yourself. DOUBLE STANDARD anybody!?
 
YeeHaa said:
Military types have shared with me, two reasons for a pistol;

  1. An exit strategy

  2. To get to a rifle
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#3: primary weapon goes down.

I forwarded the relevant sections to some friends of mine, attorneys, one who used to be an ADA in Durham. To a person, they said "he's f***ed." (direct quote of one of them) All agree that it's an enormously complex case and he may have been overcharged, but there are enough statutes to cover a variety of different lesser charges. They said he needs a good attorney, hope it can get settled before it gets to trial, and if it does, a favorable jury. And there's the civil cases that will follow.
 
Combat Diver said:
But if you read the probable cause it pretty much gives the defense a self defense on a silver platter. No point in the charges does it state that the others were the attackers until the PC. Also states that Kyle did contact the Police immediately but was forced to flee again.

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Maybe more people are getting tired of this than we thought and are trying to help?
 
JohnFreeman said:
Charging him with murder 1 is a real mistake. There's no way they're going to prove premeditation and they've just created a narrative that the facts, the audio and the video don't support.
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exactly. I couldn't be less experienced with criminal law, but , to my very limited knowledge it doesn't even appear that Kyle needs to prove self defense.

a 'not guilty' verdict would simply hinge on his defenses ability to prove 'he did not premeditate the murder of The Kiddie Diddler and/or Skater Boy'. I honestly don't see how a judge reviewing the preliminary evidence would even consider moving forward with the case of 1* murder, but if they do, will be easy to prove with all the evidence.
 
Is this leagal? said:
The guy who had his bicep suddenly removed...he was advancing for an attack. In some videos, you can see Kyle point his weapon at would be attacker. Would be attacker stops, puts hands up, Kyle immediately lowers the rifle. Then would be attacker/felon/insurrectionist draws a handgun, and learns a valuable lesson.
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Fortunately (I haven't verified authenticity) someone here saw on Lefty The Felon's FB page he made a comment that he was too slow to the Glock and his only regret was not getting operational in a. timely enough fashion to obliterate Kyle (paraphrasing but very similar verbiage). If Kyles case wasn't simple enough already, that just makes it that much easier for his lawyers.
 
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SnowRooster said:
They are pumping the “Kyle is bad man” Narrative Hard!
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Yeah, a new mural will be painted tomorrow with Floyd and these 3 pieces of turd all with wings soaring through rainbows as a flock of angels. I'm just so happy these dudes were all white. This would be getting SOOO much more attention otherwise.
 
Sigequinox220 said:
Yeah, a new mural will be painted tomorrow with Floyd and these 3 pieces of turd all with wings soaring through rainbows as a flock of angels. I'm just so happy these dudes were all white. This would be getting SOOO much more attention otherwise.
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They can swing the “good Jewish boys” standing up against the oppressive Nazi angle.
 
SnowRooster said:
They are pumping the “Kyle is bad man” Narrative Hard!
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Of course...wouldn’t expect anything else.

The “handlers” for CNN have instructed them to run with the “Kyle bad man” story.

You see..armed American citizens with initiative that take care of business is not conducive to totalitarianism. Precisely why anywhere and everywhere that armed citizens embrace the roll of garbage men and do their part to “take out the trash”, most media outlets will not report it or, if they do, will show those citizens in a bad light.

When everything goes wheels up (and I have no reason to believe it won’t), I hope everyone will remember how complicit the media was/is in the attempted destruction of our Republic, with their distortions, fabrications and outright lies.

It is my hope they will not be held blameless for their role in stirring the sh*t.

I hate the media just about as much as I do politicians.
 
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