Kyle Rittenhouse 17 year Old Shoots 3 kills 2....

Fakebook and Twatter have removed the Kenosha Kids pages.

But the 3rd POS he shot, ending his molotov throwing days, has said on Twitter - through a 3rd party - that he was trying to draw his Glock to empty the mag into the kid. And his only regret is he got shot before he could kill the kid.

In my previous life, we called that a statement against penal interest. An admission he was trying to shoot the kid.

Too bad the Kenosha Kid didn't get zero points down. Regards 18DAI
 
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Fakebook and Twatter have removed the Kenosha Kids pages.

But the 3rd POS he shot, ending his molotov throwing days, has said on Twitter - through a 3rd party - that he was trying to draw his Glock to empty the mag into the kid. And his only regret is he got shot before he could kill the kid.

In my previous life, we called that a statement against penal interest. An admission he was trying to shoot the kid.

Too bad the Kenosha Kid didn't get zero points down. Regards 18DAI

would take some screen shots of that before deleted. Statements like that will be pivotal in his otherwise (in any other rationale works) open/shut set defense case
 
Any idea what the other gun shots were in background? Haven’t heard a single peep about those, so was probably a few black-on-black murders being swept under the rug.

Likely fireworks or the like. They are set off like crazy around these things, and microphones don't really tell the difference all that well.

Or gunshots that didn't hit anyone
 
FWIW, I've seen a few folks on the Interwebz mocking this kid but when you think about it...
  • He only fired at identified threats.
  • He wasn't spraying rounds.
  • He hit his intended targets.
  • No collateral damage.
Not half bad for a 17 year old who was pretty much out of his element.
 
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FWIW, I've seen a few folks on the Interwebz mocking this kid but when you think about it...
  • He only fired at identified threats.
  • He wasn't spraying rounds.
  • He hit his intended targets.
  • No collateral damage.
Not half bad for a 17 year old who was pretty much out of his element.

Not half bad for 17? That wouldn’t be half bad for a military veteran with a tour under his belt. I’d go as far as saying it was impressive, both his weapon skills and his microdecision-making skills
 
Charging him with murder 1 is a real mistake. There's no way they're going to prove premeditation and they've just created a narrative that the facts, the audio and the video don't support.
 
Charging him with murder 1 is a real mistake. There's no way they're going to prove premeditation and they've just created a narrative that the facts, the audio and the video don't support.

Is it possible that it was done on purpose? It'll calm the masses for now and assures the kid walks free.
 
Totally unrelated to this case. But this thread really had me wondering what some of the folks on this forum really think justifies self defence and which ones would join the Brownshirts when this all boils over.

As for the kid, Filter says it best: Hey man, nice shot.
 
The kid ran, did not report to the police immediately after he shot 3 people and crossed state lines. None of that looks great by any means from a court defense point of view.
Have you missed the video of him walking right up to the cops afterwards and they beep at him to get out of the street? And then he tries to talk to one of them through a window, they basically wave him off and drive away (toward the shooting locale)?

After that, no way I’m sticking around, either.
 
Have you missed the video of him walking right up to the cops afterwards and they beep at him to get out of the street? And then he tries to talk to one of them through a window, they basically wave him off and drive away (toward the shooting locale)?

After that, no way I’m sticking around, either.

I'm not stating things that I wouldn't of done, I woulda got out quickly too, given that chance. Saying it isn't going to look good for the trial
 
I'm not stating things that I wouldn't of done, I woulda got out quickly too, given that chance. Saying it isn't going to look good for the trial
But there’s video proof he walked right up to the cops, and they ignored him. That part shouldn’t look bad for him. It’s not like he shot and then tried to escape.
 
Have you missed the video of him walking right up to the cops afterwards and they beep at him to get out of the street? And then he tries to talk to one of them through a window, they basically wave him off and drive away (toward the shooting locale)?

After that, no way I’m sticking around, either.
I'm wondering how they identified him as the shooter. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't call the police once he got home. That would show the fleeing charge as the political pandering it is.
 
I'm wondering how they identified him as the shooter. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't call the police once he got home. That would show the fleeing charge as the political pandering it is.
Time stamp when he dialed 911 from videos...check records for phone number, trace back to wireless plan Holder.
 
Not half bad for 17? That wouldn’t be half bad for a military veteran with a tour under his belt. I’d go as far as saying it was impressive, both his weapon skills and his microdecision-making skills


If you saw the short interview of him, he has a very very old soul.
 
I'm not stating things that I wouldn't of done, I woulda got out quickly too, given that chance. Saying it isn't going to look good for the trial
"I tried to talk to the police but they told me to get out of the street, I feared the mob would attack me again so I went home to call a lawyer."
 
I did, apparently you did not. In Wisconsin the appropriate statue is 939.48. I will post the relevant portions below:

" In this subsection:
1. “Dwelling" has the meaning given in s. 895.07 (1) (h).
2. “Place of business" means a business that the actor owns or operates.
(ar) If an actor intentionally used force that was intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm, the court may not consider whether the actor had an opportunity to flee or retreat before he or she used force and shall presume that the actor reasonably believed that the force was necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself if the actor makes such a claim under sub. (1) and either of the following applies:

1. The person against whom the force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcibly entering the actor's dwelling, motor vehicle, or place of business, the actor was present in the dwelling, motor vehicle, or place of business, and the actor knew or reasonably believed that an unlawful and forcible entry was occurring.
2. The person against whom the force was used was in the actor's dwelling, motor vehicle, or place of business after unlawfully and forcibly entering it, the actor was present in the dwelling, motor vehicle, or place of business, and the actor knew or reasonably believed that the person had unlawfully and forcibly entered the dwelling, motor vehicle, or place of business.
(b) The presumption described in par. (ar) does not apply if any of the following applies:
1. The actor was engaged in a criminal activity or was using his or her dwelling, motor vehicle, or place of business to further a criminal activity at the time."
Being involved in a criminal activity is NOT relieving a person of the duty to retreat (and I would say that there is some question there the way the statue is worded), and losing the presumption of reasonableness and proportionality if you are in a "dwelling" or "place of business that the actor owns or operates"

These are the concepts of "stand your ground" and "castle doctrine." As I stated in my previous post, Kyle did not have an opportunity to retreat as I saw it on the video and he was facing a deadly force threat or severe bodily injury, so proportionality is met, and I think a reasonable person would perceive that he was facing a threat of deadly force or severe bodily injury.

Another point is did he provoke the first encounter. Part 2 of the above Wisconsin statue also states:

 Provocation affects the privilege of self-defense as follows:
(a) A person who engages in unlawful conduct of a type likely to provoke others to attack him or her and thereby does provoke an attack is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense against such attack, except when the attack which ensues is of a type causing the person engaging in the unlawful conduct to reasonably believe that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm. In such a case, the person engaging in the unlawful conduct is privileged to act in self-defense, but the person is not privileged to resort to the use of force intended or likely to cause death to the person's assailant unless the person reasonably believes he or she has exhausted every other reasonable means to escape from or otherwise avoid death or great bodily harm at the hands of his or her assailant.​

Basically if you provoke the attack you are not relieved of the duty to retreat. The only point I think that would cause him trouble if he could be shown to have reasonably threatened the first person he shot with deadly force. I.e., I pull a gun and shoot you vs. I pull a gun and shoot you because you are coming at me with a baseball bat in a threatening manner.

The North Carolina laws are similar, you can look them up if you want the relavant statues are G.S. 14-51.2, G.S. 14-51.3, and G.S. 14-51.4.


WI has a duty to retreat. They have castle doctrine which is what you quoted and has no relevance as he neither loved or worked where the incident took place.

He had a duty to retreat per WI law and if you read what I posted the commission of a criminal act in WI prohibits the use of deadly force to protect the person comminting the criminal act in most cases.

Again a grand jury will get to decide and then a criminal jury and probably a civil jury not us so it is really a moot point to argue about it here.
 
WI has a duty to retreat. They have castle doctrine which is what you quoted and has no relevance as he neither loved or worked where the incident took place.

He had a duty to retreat per WI law and if you read what I posted the commission of a criminal act in WI prohibits the use of deadly force to protect the person comminting the criminal act in most cases.

Again a grand jury will get to decide and then a criminal jury and probably a civil jury not us so it is really a moot point to argue about it here.
If he is not a resident of WI why should he have a duty to retreat? The laws apply to residents and non residents so he can defend himself.
 
If he is not a resident of WI why should he have a duty to retreat? The laws apply to residents and non residents so he can defend himself.

Because WI does not have stand your ground. Only castle doctrine. Unless he was employed by one of the stores he was protecting he cannot claim castle doc and there for he has a duty to retreat like all people in WI do.
 
The real issue was he committing a crime that would likely cause a violent reaction from the other people. The law reads that in a case like that he cannot claim self defense in most cases. He might be able to here and get off but it will be expensive. Hope he has one if the insurance policies that are out there for this type of thing.

(b) The presumption described in par. (ar) does not apply if any of the following applies:
1. The actor was engaged in a criminal activity or was using his or her dwelling, motor vehicle, or place of business to further a criminal activity at the time.

(2) Provocation affects the privilege of self-defense as follows:
(a) A person who engages in unlawful conduct of a type likely to provoke others to attack him or her and thereby does provoke an attack is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense against such attack, except when the attack which ensues is of a type causing the person engaging in the unlawful conduct to reasonably believe that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm. In such a case, the person engaging in the unlawful conduct is privileged to act in self-defense, but the person is not privileged to resort to the use of force intended or likely to cause death to the person's assailant unless the person reasonably believes he or she has exhausted every other reasonable means to escape from or otherwise avoid death or great bodily harm at the hands of his or her assailant.

And yes he was engaged in a criminal activity according to WI laws. Those under 18 cannot posses or open carry a long gun.

All of my posts were not there to say he was wrong. I think he did the right thing and will be exonerated but it will be long and expensive to reach that point in today's climate.
 
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Did he come with a group or did he come on his own? If he was part of a group, were they familiar to him?
 
Because WI does not have stand your ground. Only castle doctrine. Unless he was employed by one of the stores he was protecting he cannot claim castle doc and there for he has a duty to retreat like all people in WI do.

From the videos it is clear he did not start the conflict but was the victim.

https://milwaukee-criminal-lawyer.com/castle-doctrine-vs-stand-your-ground/

Duty to Retreat in Wisconsin – Provocation
While there is no specific statute addressing stand your ground, a few court cases have addressed whether individuals have a duty to retreat in Wisconsin. The general rule is that there is no affirmative duty to retreat, unless the individual provoked the confrontation. This general rule mirrors the self-defense statute. Let’s assume the individual provoked the attack. He is generally cannot claim self-defense. The only exception is when he believes he exhausted all other means of escape from the death or great bodily harm.

For example, in Wisconsin, you started a fight. Shooter pulls out a gun in response to your physical and verbal actions. Again, you started the fight. Because of that, you must have a duty to retreat because you provoked the confrontation.
 
From the videos it is clear he did not start the conflict but was the victim.

https://milwaukee-criminal-lawyer.com/castle-doctrine-vs-stand-your-ground/

Duty to Retreat in Wisconsin – Provocation
While there is no specific statute addressing stand your ground, a few court cases have addressed whether individuals have a duty to retreat in Wisconsin. The general rule is that there is no affirmative duty to retreat, unless the individual provoked the confrontation. This general rule mirrors the self-defense statute. Let’s assume the individual provoked the attack. He is generally cannot claim self-defense. The only exception is when he believes he exhausted all other means of escape from the death or great bodily harm.

For example, in Wisconsin, you started a fight. Shooter pulls out a gun in response to your physical and verbal actions. Again, you started the fight. Because of that, you must have a duty to retreat because you provoked the confrontation.

This what I have been saying. And by being armed he could be considered the provoker. Look at 2a above directly from the WI law. He was engaged in unlawful conduct by open carrying a long gun and being 17. Not saying it is right but it is a fact.

He did try to retreat but did he do enough. Only a jury can decide that or he might be wise in getting a judge trial and just looking at the law not the feelings of jurors.
 
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This what I have been saying. And by being armed he could be considered the provoker. Look at 2a above directly from the WI law. He was engaged in unlawful conduct by open carrying a long gun and being 17. Not saying it is right but it is a fact.

He did try to retreat but did he do enough. Only a jury can decide that or he might be wise in getting a judge trial and just looking at the law not the feelings of jurors.
I believe he is better off with jury trial, all it takes is one juror to side with his defense. He displayed proper trigger management and at no time was threatening others before he was attacked despite the multiple verbal attacks directed at him and the other guys with rifles and shotguns.
 
But there’s video proof he walked right up to the cops, and they ignored him. That part shouldn’t look bad for him. It’s not like he shot and then tried to escape.

It would be the 12 to 20 hours after the fact that the prosecution would use against him. Must like crossing the state line, even though it is apparently the next town over. That time was hopefully used to get patched up and find a lawyer.

My point is like saying you're taking the 5th amendment, perfectly legal and very wise anytime you're going to court or likely to do so, but the way our society is set up taking the 5th is often viewed with suspicion. Only guilty people worry about incriminating themselves right?

The area this happened is less than an hour from Chicago, if the commuter deal is anything like the northeast near NYC he is going to have one of the worst venues in the country for a self defense case, the DA and eeveryone else is going to pull all the nonsensical only makes sense if you hate freedom bs.
 
Again I cannot state it enough. That single mistake will cost him big time. Everything else flows from that legal point and the fact he is on the wrong side of that law. One can agree or disagree with that law but it will be used against him. There are a ton of cascading poor decisions in those videos.
You say "mistake"...I say "Patriots 2, insurrectionists 0."
Hate to break it to you, but if you're pro life, pro gun, pro God, love your country, conservative, and believe in law and order...or anything that makes you American. In the Marxists eyes, you've already broken their law, and they're coming for you too.
I'm fond of We the People's Law, the Declaration of Independence, and all that other stuff that makes use free. Our Highest Law has moral, integrity, and value. Way to many a men have went to their graves believing in this thing called freedom, and have shown us, some things in life are worth fighting and dying for. Can you remember the little boys name who murdered in NC? I bet you'll never forget the guys name, who sparked all this. Why is that? There's a reason.
I found myself watching the whole live stream the other night, as everything was unfolding, in real time. The first perp/insurrectionist was literally begging to be shot. His own words were "shot me ni##a". Later on, Kyle was being chased by insurrectionist #1, having all sorts of things thrown at him. I don't know about you, but the young Kyle showed a lot more restraint than me. Who??? In their right mind, would chase a man, who has a rifle, whilst being unarmed???
The dude must have thought, if killed he'd re spawn in Chaz somewhere.
Kyle did this country a great service. He was there just protecting the very things that we hold dear, life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness. No Jury would find him guilty. Not unless it's rigged.
Did you notice the silence after it was all said and done. Kyle showed the people how not to be a victim. Expect more to take note, and stand. DON'T BE A VICTIM. Be like Kyle, or keep blaming others for your rights being stripped away by criminal politicians. To each their own.
Make no mistake, this is not a peaceful protest. It is, in fact, an insurrection. It is also a fact, that it's the Militias soul duty to "suppress insurrection", aka militia/Kyle.
 
I believe he is better off with jury trial, all it takes is one juror to side with his defense. He displayed proper trigger management and at no time was threatening others before he was attacked despite the multiple verbal attacks directed at him and the other guys with rifles and shotguns.
The guy who had his bicep suddenly removed...he was advancing for an attack. In some videos, you can see Kyle point his weapon at would be attacker. Would be attacker stops, puts hands up, Kyle immediately lowers the rifle. Then would be attacker/felon/insurrectionist draws a handgun, and learns a valuable lesson.
 
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