CCW disclosure

Duty to disclose must be repealed. It creates instant justifiable OIS. Any move can be defined as "he was reaching for his gun." But the state will never release data on how many people Barney Fifes killed after complying with the stupid mandate.
And since it is tied to the DMV data base, the cop already knows. All they have to do is try to prevent you from making the required declaration, then they have another charge to add.
The two times I disclosed, both at accident scenes, the trooper looked at me like I was nuts for mentioning it.
 
fishgutzy said:
Duty to disclose must be repealed. It creates instant justifiable OIS. Any move can be defined as "he was reaching for his gun." But the state will never release data on how many people Barney Fifes killed after complying with the stupid mandate.
And since it is tied to the DMV data base, the cop already knows. All they have to do is try to prevent you from making the required declaration, then they have another charge to add.
The two times I disclosed, both at accident scenes, the trooper looked at me like I was nuts for mentioning it.
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That site says it’s not tied to DL in Georgia. It is in NC tho iirc
 
fishgutzy said:
Duty to disclose must be repealed. It creates instant justifiable OIS. Any move can be defined as "he was reaching for his gun." But the state will never release data on how many people Barney Fifes killed after complying with the stupid mandate.
And since it is tied to the DMV data base, the cop already knows. All they have to do is try to prevent you from making the required declaration, then they have another charge to add.
The two times I disclosed, both at accident scenes, the trooper looked at me like I was nuts for mentioning it.
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I’ve disclosed multiple times to troopers. Once where it was on the seat next to me (with both hands out the window, license and CCW in hand). Asked if he wanted to come around and put it on the roof of the car. He said nah, just don’t reach for it.
 
berf said:
I’ve disclosed multiple times to troopers. Once where it was on the seat next to me (with both hands out the window, license and CCW in hand). Asked if he wanted to come around and put it on the roof of the car. He said nah, just don’t reach for it.
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Someone here posted that his wife had a trooper back up, put his hand on his weapon after she disclosed and said "you aren't going to shoot me are you?" Highly inapropriate. Worse if the a-hole thought he was being cute.
 
I had a fairly new NC Trooper flip out over me having a weapon on me when I disclosed it as required. He didn’t stay a Trooper very long as he was so scared. One Trooper sat and talked to me about guns when I disclosed so each one is different for sure.
 
fishgutzy said:
Someone here posted that his wife had a trooper back up, put his hand on his weapon after she disclosed and said "you aren't going to shoot me are you?" Highly inapropriate. Worse if the a-hole thought he was being cute.
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Yeah it’s the law to disclose. They should know that, and realize that someone who discloses is most likely not going to shoot them. This also makes me wonder how he didn’t already know they had a CCW by running the plates.
 
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berf said:
Yeah it’s the law to disclose. They should know that, and realize that someone who discloses is most likely not going to shoot them. This also makes me wonder how he didn’t already know they had a CCW by running the plates.
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All of our vehicles are in my name. Thus a trooper pulling over my wife might not realize she's a packer too.
 
Disclosure does not really bother me … it’s when those few “knee jerkers” decide to disarm someone. I’ve never had it happen, in fact all have basically said OK and gone on with their business, but I know a few who have. If a firearm is secured in a person’s vehicle that has been vetted by their county CLEO why does it need to be passed around unnecessarily? All that is asking for if an accidental discharge up to a wrong assumption shooting. My Grandma said … leave well enough alone … and that’s what should be done in my thoughts.
 
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Disclosure does not really bother me … it’s when those few “knee jerkers” decide to disarm someone. I’ve never had it happen, in fact all have basically said OK and gone on with their business, but I know a few who have. If a firearm is secured in a person’s vehicle that has been vetted by their county CLEO why does it need to be passed around unnecessarily? All that is asking for if an accidental discharge up to a wrong assumption shooting. My Grandma said … leave well enough alone … and that’s what should be done in my thoughts.
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Yeah I’ve always asked if they want to come set my firearm on the roof of the car and they never have. I also always have license and permit with both hands out the window, vehicle off by the time they approach. If they feel more comfortable by placing my pistol on the hood, that’s fine with me. Don’t want anyone getting skittish.
 
Being as there's no duty to disclose in GA, then I'd say it's situational. Make your own personal decision at that time.

If you do choose to disclose, then at least be smart about it. For example, lead with something like "I have a permit to carry..." and not "I have a gun..."
 
In NC you are to disclose immediately. I've been stopped twice, lowered both windows (tinted), shut the car off, and both hands on the wheel as the officer approached. Both were nice about it. The first one really liked my Sig P938 Extreme. The other really liked my under the steering column holster set up.
 
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I've only been stopped once at a DUI check point. I disclosed and the officer's response was "Good for you!"

ETA: I keep my license and permit in a separate credit card sleeve and keep that in the cup holder in my car. It is already in my hand before the officer approaches the vehicle.
 
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I just preach the “don’t give them a reason” approach. If you don’t have to reach for license or permit, it’s better for everyone. Have it outside the window and ready for them. You know what they are gonna ask for. Prepare for it and skip the rest.
 
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The two times I disclosed, both at accident scenes, the trooper looked at me like I was nuts for mentioning it.
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HA!
same thing up in Detroit. waited forever for the cops to show up, and when the cop finally came my way I said my usual "good afternoon officer, i am legally obligated to disclose that i have a license to carry a concealed firearm and I do have one with me today".
"uh... okay... anyway, what happened here?"
I've had incidents ranging from that up to "you're lucky I didn't see it first or i'd have my gun to your head..." and back down to "don't reach for yours and i won't reach for mine"
It would be fine with me to just not even have it come up anymore.
 
DrScaryGuy said:
HA!
same thing up in Detroit. waited forever for the cops to show up, and when the cop finally came my way I said my usual "good afternoon officer, i am legally obligated to disclose that i have a license to carry a concealed firearm and I do have one with me today".
"uh... okay... anyway, what happened here?"
I've had incidents ranging from that up to "you're lucky I didn't see it first or i'd have my gun to your head..." and back down to "don't reach for yours and i won't reach for mine"
It would be fine with me to just not even have it come up anymore.
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It galls me when people can't be polite and professional in response to someone else being polite and professional.
 
fishgutzy said:
Someone here posted that his wife had a trooper back up, put his hand on his weapon after she disclosed and said "you aren't going to shoot me are you?" Highly inapropriate. Worse if the a-hole thought he was being cute.
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That was me. Surprisingly, the State Trooper was black. It’s the only bad experience that my wife ever had when disclosing.

I always disclose. When I’m out of state, I’ll say NC Law requires me to disclose…. Universally I have had positive responses (thanked for disclosing) and most of the time they let me off with a warning for speeding.
 
I’ve heard that the CHP is not tied to your tag from a cop that I know and trust. So it’s either on a tab that no one looks at or it’s actually not there.

My question picks up after the disclosure. Are you required to “comply” if they demand you disarm and/or give them the gun? My response, if this ever happens, is that the gun is most safe for everyone tightly tucked against my side. I’d prefer not to.
 
Scsmith42 said:
I always disclose. When I’m out of state, I’ll say NC Law requires me to disclose…. Universally I have had positive responses (thanked for disclosing) and most of the time they let me off with a warning for speeding.
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Just don't do that in NJ, MD or MA if I remember correctly. I remember the story of a woman traveling through a state that disclosed, as was required in her state and ended up in jail.



That said, I've had positive responses to disclosing. Basically, from a "whatever" attitude to one seemingly rookie female officer in the upscale part of town that was like, "Ok" and went back to her car to look up what to do, before coming back and asking for my permit. Never once asking where the gun was.
 
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It galls me when people can't be polite and professional in response to someone else being polite and professional.
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If PD screened out just two types pf people, "polite and professional" would be the case 99.9% of the time. The two classes that should never be allowed to carry a badge and gun are those who were bullies in school and those who were bullied. Any honest study of excessive force incidents would find these two factors in the vast majority of cases.
There is not reason, in any state, where concealed carry is legal, for any police officer to go balistic merely at the sight of a gun holstered on a person. (recall the Cuomo, essentially, issued a shoot to kill order to police if national reciprocity passed, and anyone from out of state was seen with a gun.)
 
georgel said:
Just don't do that in NJ, MD or MA if I remember correctly. I remember the story of a woman traveling through a state that disclosed, as was required in her state and ended up in jail.



That said, I've had positive responses to disclosing. Basically, from a "whatever" attitude to one seemingly rookie female officer in the upscale part of town that was like, "Ok" and went back to her car to look up what to do, before coming back and asking for my permit. Never once asking where the gun was.
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Surprisingly, MA is not a duty to disclose state. Also, an "unrestricted" carry permit there means one can carry open too. But most permit holders know that there are so many Karens and then Barney Fife cops, that it is generally not wise to carry open.
Malls are not even posted with gun buster signs, generally, in MA, because so few people "have permission." In Boston, only doctors, lawyers, wealthy political donors, and licensed firearms instructors get permits approved despite that policy being illegal under MA law.
 
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In Boston, only doctors, lawyers, wealthy political donors, and licensed firearms instructors get permits approved despite that policy being illegal under MA law.
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As a NH resident it was easier for me to go though the State Police to get a non-res permit than residents who had to start at the local PO and go up.
 
georgel said:
Just don't do that in NJ, MD or MA if I remember correctly. I remember the story of a woman traveling through a state that disclosed, as was required in her state and ended up in jail.
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Good clarification.

I make it a point to avoid travel to or through states that do not recognize my CWP.
 
rdinatal said:
As a NH resident it was easier for me to go though the State Police to get a non-res permit than residents who had to start at the local PO and go up.
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Exactly. State police follow the law, no illegal added doc reqs. Many local CLEO's add letters of reference requirements, additional class requirements. Lowell used to require proof that one had already been a victim of violent crime and proof of continuing threat. Criminals love cities like that. Lowell PD also had a rep of being very corrupt. I lived in Lowell before escaping south of the Mason-Dixon.
 
My method of disclosing is to hand my license and the permit at the same time holding them so both can be seen. I got stopped once at a check point and was struggling to get the permit out and the trooper looked up and saw what I was doing and said "you don't need that". Hand my license back and said have a nice day.
 
9outof10mms said:
I’ve heard that the CHP is not tied to your tag from a cop that I know and trust. So it’s either on a tab that no one looks at or it’s actually not there.

My question picks up after the disclosure. Are you required to “comply” if they demand you disarm and/or give them the gun? My response, if this ever happens, is that the gun is most safe for everyone tightly tucked against my side. I’d prefer not to.
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If you are given a direct order, then yes.

The question here is whether or not the officer is issuing an illegal order to disarm. The answer to this is "no". So far as I know there are no laws on the books which make such an order illegal, especially under the circumstances being discussed here.

Did this mean there is no room for objection or discussion? No... but this may be a fine line to cross. Your choice.
 
RetiredUSNChief said:
If you are given a direct order, then yes.

The question here is whether or not the officer is issuing an illegal order to disarm. The answer to this is "no". So far as I know there are no laws on the books which make such an order illegal, especially under the circumstances being discussed here.

Did this mean there is no room for objection or discussion? No... but this may be a fine line to cross. Your choice.
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I can't imagine any officer ordering a person to do something that requires them to put their hands on their own gun unless the officer has turned off all the cameras and wants to create an excuse to kill someone.
I have heard of cases where an officer asks permission to remove a firearm from a person. Even that is pretty stupid unless the person is suspected of some violent crime. But then a criminal isn't going to tell an officer they have a gun.
Safest place for a firearm is in the holster. Most criminals don't use holsters because they don't have any particular gun long enough to buy a specific holster. :D
 
berf said:
I just preach the “don’t give them a reason” approach. If you don’t have to reach for license or permit, it’s better for everyone. Have it outside the window and ready for them. You know what they are gonna ask for. Prepare for it and skip the rest.
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This. Even if I don't have a weapon, I have the CC permit and my DL ready. Hand him the DL and show the CC permit, with a statement of if i do or don't have a weapon at that time. No negative experiences here, and I have a handful of speeding tickets....
 
Schattenreiter said:
My method of disclosing is to hand my license and the permit at the same time holding them so both can be seen. I got stopped once at a check point and was struggling to get the permit out and the trooper looked up and saw what I was doing and said "you don't need that". Hand my license back and said have a nice day.
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same here - I hand them my permit on top of my license so they see it first.
 
RetiredUSNChief said:
If you are given a direct order, then yes.

The question here is whether or not the officer is issuing an illegal order to disarm. The answer to this is "no". So far as I know there are no laws on the books which make such an order illegal, especially under the circumstances being discussed here.

Did this mean there is no room for objection or discussion? No... but this may be a fine line to cross. Your choice.
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I'm not willing to be shot or handcuffed over it--but it will be brought up before I pull out a cocked and ready to rock gun with no safety. Odds of it doing something dangerous while tucked in my waistband = 0.1%. Odds of somethign sideways if it comes out = higher than 0.1%.
 
9outof10mms said:
I'm not willing to be shot or handcuffed over it--but it will be brought up before I pull out a cocked and ready to rock gun with no safety. Odds of it doing something dangerous while tucked in my waistband = 0.1%. Odds of somethign sideways if it comes out = higher than 0.1%.
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Assuming this weapon is attached to a holster on your belt, slowly lift your shirt, undo the buckle, and drop your pants. Why not make it awkward for everyone involved?
 
I never say "I have a gun." I tell the officer that I am "armed."

Pre permit early 1990's I am pulled over for having a head light out. I've got a .357 in the truck. I throw it up on the dash, stick both hands out the window, and tell the trooper there is a pistol on the dash. He replies that the sees it and is cool about it. Writes a warning for the light and we go our ways.

Years later I am at a licence check. Tell the trooper I have a permit and show them. The trooper asked where the guns are and he tells me to carry every where I go.

My worst experience was with the Forest City PD. I had two pistols and a rifle in the car. Pulled out and the serial numbers were ran. The cops were on a fishing trip. Went home. Next morning I had a long conversation with the chief and told him that my requirement to notify was not a reason to do what they did. Next week same place/time another licence check. This time it was "Have a nice night."

Best advice is to be polite then and there with the officer. When needed, light his supervisors ass up because you know that the twerp you dealt with on the side of the road will hear about it.

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I've had positive experiences. One cop chatted with me about different Glock models and which I prefer. Another cop just thanked me for informing. A third cop asked if I was carrying (tied to my license plate) and asked "why not?" when I said "No.".

Two of them still gave me tickets, but I like to think I'm a safer driver as a result. 🙄
 
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9outof10mms said:
I'm not willing to be shot or handcuffed over it--but it will be brought up before I pull out a cocked and ready to rock gun with no safety. Odds of it doing something dangerous while tucked in my waistband = 0.1%. Odds of somethign sideways if it comes out = higher than 0.1%.
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Mine stays in the holster. Period.

The holster will unsnap and pull out, pistol and all.
 
When I started carrying ten years ago, my wife was very much against it. We ran into a license check at the beach, and I had my license and permit ready. Officer asked me what I was carrying, and I told him, and he started talking guns with me. Wife saw that it’s cool, nobody’s doing anything wrong, and after that she was maybe not excited about it, but she seemed ok with it. I’ve often wished I could find that officer and thank him.
 
most times very cool response and no tickets

once was disarmed and the officer then said he ran serial numbers to see if they were stolen. returned to me with ammo removed from mags. no ticket at least for tail light out

guy was polite but i still feel/felt my 4th amendment rights violated. they were basically taken off the front seat and the driver door panel. i never verbally consented to them taking them….
 
vp9c said:
most times very cool response and no tickets

once was disarmed and the officer then said he ran serial numbers to see if they were stolen. returned to me with ammo removed from mags. no ticket at least for tail light out

guy was polite but i still feel/felt my 4th amendment rights violated. they were basically taken off the front seat and the driver door panel. i never verbally consented to them taking them….
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That's the part that gets me. Why remove the ammo? That meant the officer had to remove the gun from it's holster, then unload and cycle the action on the weapon.

Stu. Pid.
 
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