CCW disclosure

He was bullied in high school. Has some kind of complex.

I'm thinking he better count the rounds just to be sure there aren't any missing, what with current prices and all.

Not to mention the broken chain of custody if that ammunition had been micro-serialized like the liberals want the trillions of rounds made to be.
 
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Good info with a bit of humor and common sense added.
 
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He went to Georgia not New Hampshire.
Yes I know. He lived in Lowell Massachusetts which kills brain cells.

Lowell is one of the worst cities in the state —
except for met Boston, New Bedford, Fall River, Brockton, Lawrence,

now that I think about it all of Mass is a shit hole…
they voted Lizzy “the fake Indian“ Warren into office, have a RINO Governor that makes AOC look moderate, and thought Brady was a god until he moved to Tampa.
 
Yes I know. He lived in Lowell Massachusetts which kills brain cells.

Lowell is one of the worst cities in the state —
except for met Boston, New Bedford, Fall River, Brockton, Lawrence,

now that I think about it all of Mass is a shit hole…
they voted Lizzy “the fake Indian“ Warren into office, have a RINO Governor that makes AOC look moderate, and thought Brady was a god until he moved to Tampa.
Red Sox, Bruins, Revolutionary War history, other than that.. Let it burn.
 
Had only positive experiences so far. Most LEOs are smart enough that people with permits aren't going to be a problem and are polite and apprecitive.
Question: do you have to disclose with every officer you interact with, or just when you’re being detained or stopped ? Sorry if i sound stupid I’m fairly new to carrying.
 
Question: do you have to disclose with every officer you interact with, or just when you’re being detained or stopped ? Sorry if i sound stupid I’m fairly new to carrying.
I make a habit of thanking cops I see. It’s often at Sheetz or someplace similar. I simply say, “Thanks for being a cop. I know it isn’t easy these day”. I don’t include, “By the way, I’m carrying a gun”.
 
I'm cursed with a heavy foot and a habit of driving arrest-me-red muscle cars, so I've been pulled over probably 5 or 6 times in the 20 years I've been carrying. I wouldn't shed a tear if the requirement went away but on many occasions I feel that disclosing has put the officer involved at ease. It breaks the ice and is generally a friendly exchange. "Where is it? "4:00 on my tight hip" "OK just leave it there" or "Don't show me yours and I won't show you mine", etc. One guy said "how do you get to it back there?". I decided not to demonstrate. :)

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm not convinced that most (or at least some) officers know that you have a CCP permit when they approach your car. I'm sure they have the resources to find out but IMO they don't always know. Either way, knowing you have a permit should inform them that you are most likely not a troublemaker. I've been let off more than once and I think my permit (and generally respectful and friendly disposition :)) had something to do with it each time.

The one time I had an officer request to hold my weapon during the stop I gave it to him holster and all as one package. Also, on this particular stop I had forgotten to disclose until he was walking back to his car. I called him back and disclosed to him then. Did he already know? I don't think so.
 
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Question: do you have to disclose with every officer you interact with, or just when you’re being detained or stopped ? Sorry if i sound stupid I’m fairly new to carrying.
Any interaction. I was talking to a guy in a cigar lounge one time when he mentioned he was a detective with DPD. Said "oh in that case let me advise you of my handgun permit." He had no issues with it.
 
Question: do you have to disclose with every officer you interact with, or just when you’re being detained or stopped ? Sorry if i sound stupid I’m fairly new to carrying.
Only if the interaction between you and the officer is within his official capacity. For example you can walk up to an on duty police officer and have a conversation without disclosing, but if the officer approches you in particular on official LEO business you are required to disclose.
 
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Any interaction. I was talking to a guy in a cigar lounge one time when he mentioned he was a detective with DPD. Said "oh in that case let me advise you of my handgun permit." He had no issues with it.
I don't believe that is correct.
 
In all situations with LE the first thing I do is hand them my CWP and I have never had any problems.
I did once. The officer was pissed because he was in a hurry but was behind me when I did something technically illegal so he felt he had to pull me over. I handed him my DL and permit together. He yelled, "Whats this? I didn't ask for this!"

Weird encounter, not typical. Just shows that anything can happen.
 
I did once. The officer was pissed because he was in a hurry but was behind me when I did something technically illegal so he felt he had to pull me over. I handed him my DL and permit together. He yelled, "Whats this? I didn't ask for this!"

Weird encounter, not typical. Just shows that anything can happen.
His name wasn’t Barney was it
 
I don't believe that is correct.

Must Inform Officer Immediately on Contact By Law? “YES” § 14-415.11. Permit to Carry Concealed Handgun; Scope of Permit. www.handgunlaw.us 8 (a) Any person who has a concealed handgun permit may carry a concealed handgun unless otherwise specifically prohibited by law. The person shall carry the permit together with valid identification whenever the person is carrying a concealed handgun, shall disclose to any law enforcement officer that the person holds a valid permit and is carrying a concealed handgun when approached or addressed by the officer, and shall display both the permit and the proper identification upon the request of a law enforcement officer. In addition to these requirements, a military permittee whose permit has expired during deployment may carry a concealed handgun during the 90 days following the end of deployment and before the permit is renewed provided the permittee also displays proof of deployment to any law enforcement officer. 2015-241, s. 14.30(cc)

Maybe it's more explicit elsewhere but I don't see any distinction being made between on or off duty or in official capacity. But hey, I am willing to stand corrected.
 
The person shall carry the permit together with valid identification whenever the person is carrying a concealed handgun, shall disclose to any law enforcement officer that the person holds a valid permit and is carrying a concealed handgun when approached or addressed by the officer, and shall display both the permit and the proper identification upon the request of a law enforcement officer. In addition to these requirements, a military permittee whose permit has expired during deployment may carry a concealed handgun during the 90 days following the end of deployment and before the permit is renewed provided the permittee also displays proof of deployment to any law enforcement officer. 2015-241, s. 14.30(cc)

Maybe it's more explicit elsewhere but I don't see any distinction being made between on or off duty or in official capacity. But hey, I am willing to stand corrected.
I wasn't trying to make a distinction between on or off duty, but if an LEO in uniform approaches or addresses you it is likely in an official capacity and you should disclose. Not necessary when you're causually talking to an officer (on or off duty) in the check out line at walmart.
 
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you survived?? Amazing!!! very few get out alive or with out permanent brain damage…
I grew up in NH. Settled in MA after my USAF 4 year hitch. Got my engineering degree there. Met my wife there. 2 kids born there. So it wasn't all bad.
Escaped when a great job offer came requiring a move south. Funny thing is, the company had divisions in MA, but I got hired into Greensboro.

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In NC duty to disclose is only when approached by a lawman who is acting in an official capacity of his job.

And where are you North Carolina guys getting these CCW's, CCPs, CWP's, CWW's, WWW's, ABC's and what not? That's cool. I want one.
My NC permit only allows me to conceal a handgun.
 
In NC duty to disclose is only when approached by a lawman who is acting in an official capacity of his job.

And where are you North Carolina guys getting these CCW's, CCPs, CWP's, CWW's, WWW's, ABC's and what not? That's cool. I want one.
My NC permit only allows me to conceal a handgun.
Beat me to it. Yes, it is only during an encounter in their official capacity. Approached and addressed in this statute is meant to be interpreted as on duty and an official contact. You can stand beside a officer on the street and talk about the weather or exchange pleasantries with no legal requirement to disclose.
 
Duty to disclose must be repealed. It creates instant justifiable OIS. Any move can be defined as "he was reaching for his gun." But the state will never release data on how many people Barney Fifes killed after complying with the stupid mandate.
And since it is tied to the DMV data base, the cop already knows. All they have to do is try to prevent you from making the required declaration, then they have another charge to add.
The two times I disclosed, both at accident scenes, the trooper looked at me like I was nuts for mentioning it.
I purposely keep my handgun openly holstered next to me in the car. I got pulled last week, the officer clearly saw it, and didn't say anything. Duty to inform is a huge infringement and if you're properly concealing why does it matter as you mentioned they can tell anyways.
 
I teach CWP for SC and have to make sure people understand why they have to disclose that information.
I'm also a gunsmith and instructor for firearm training and have had many firearms in a vehicle. Never once had a problem. I even opened a trunk full of firearms. Worse I got was " can I buy that one" from an officer. But every officer is different and every county acts different.
 
I teach CWP for SC and have to make sure people understand why they have to disclose that information.
I'm also a gunsmith and instructor for firearm training and have had many firearms in a vehicle. Never once had a problem. I even opened a trunk full of firearms. Worse I got was " can I buy that one" from an officer. But every officer is different and every county acts different.
Random question, say I’m out with someone else, and I’m riding passenger and they get pulled over, so I still disclose? I assume yes but not sure.
 
Random question, say I’m out with someone else, and I’m riding passenger and they get pulled over, so I still disclose? I assume yes but not sure.
I would whenever a LEO addressed me.
 
I purposely keep my handgun openly holstered next to me in the car. I got pulled last week, the officer clearly saw it, and didn't say anything.
You were technically open carrying, which is not subject to duty to inform.
I would whenever a LEO addressed me.
Being a passenger opens up a whole host of other legal issues I am not fully versed on. I think that YT lawyer, Steve Lehto may have some videos on this, but my understanding is that unless they have some official reason (I won't call it probable cause or reasonable suspicion because I don't know what applies) to address the passenger that it's not proper to do so. In other words, if the only offense is a traffic violation committed by the driver, of which the passenger has no culpability(*), it would not be within scope or bounds to start questioning the passenger.

* I could see a DUI stop, for example, being a case where this could come into question.
 
Random question, say I’m out with someone else, and I’m riding passenger and they get pulled over, so I still disclose? I assume yes but not sure.

Depends on the jurisdiction. Not all states are as explicitly clear as others.

Obviously, if a state has no duty to immediately inform, then the decision is yours to make, regardless.

If it has a duty to inform, the wording makes a difference.


In SC, the law states that a permit holder must inform a police officer he is a permit holder and present his permit whenever an officer both identifies himself as a law enforcement officer AND requests identification or a driver's license from the permit holder.

A passenger in a vehicle clearly knows the LEO has been identified as such by proximity. However, if the officer does not request identification or a driver's license, then the passenger is not obligated to inform under the law.


In NC, the law is a bit more vague: The person shall carry the permit together with valid identification whenever the person is carrying a concealed handgun, shall disclose to any law enforcement officer that the person holds a valid permit and is carrying a concealed handgun when approached or addressed by the officer, and shall display both the permit and the proper identification upon the request of a law enforcement officer.

So, what constitutes "when approached by the officer"? The officer gets in line behind you at the 7-11 counter with his donuts? There's nothing which says it must be an approach for "official business".

If you are a passenger in a vehicle, pay attention to what's going on. Sometimes the officer will ask something like "are there any weapons in the vehicle?" That obviously includes on any passenger.

If the officer is only talking to the driver, then there MIGHT be a case where you could say the passenger was not the one being approached. But as soon as the officer addresses the the passenger in any way, he's clearly obligated by law to inform the officer.

If you're the passenger in NC, you need to consider what might constitute being "approached" by law enforcement and make your decision accordingly.
 
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I use the following as my very first response to an officer when addressed by one in an official capacity:
"Officer, for our mutual safety I would like to inform you that I am a licensed concealed carry permit holder in the state of North Carolina. My carry status is [armed | unarmed] today."

When armed (which is basically any time I'm in a state that recognizes my CCH and not in a gun-free zone), I'll add: "The firearm is located at [description of where the firearm is located]."

If I'm in my primary vehicle (which has secured handgun and long gun storage), I'll also indicate whether anything is secured in either location.

I do the above regardless of whether duty to inform is a legal requirement, and the reason I do it is so that the officer is better-informed as to the situation; I consider it a polite courtesy. Also, if in my vehicle I cross my wrists and lay them open palm up near the 10 o'clock and 2 o'clock positions of the steering wheel and I do not move around (to gather materials, roll down the window, etc.) until after the officer approaches, sees this, bids me roll down the window ... and the foregoing has been declared/disclosed. In addition, I ask permission to move (say to obtain my DL, registration, etc.) before doing so ... and make known what I am getting and from where as part of the request for permission. Finally, I hand over my CCH permit with the requested materials regardless of whether it was asked for, as I feel it helps validate the truthfulness of my initial statement on the spot.

I realize some people may see this as absurd, but again, I do it as a polite courtesy ... for both the officer's and my own safety. To each his/her own.
 
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Isn't all this covered by the official CHP training trip to WalMart? Item #16 or 17: find a cop and blurt out that you're a licensed permitee and you're actively carrying while lifting your shirt to show him.
 
I use the following as my very first response to an officer when addressed by one in an official capacity:
"Officer, for our mutual safety I would like to inform you that I am a licensed concealed carry permit holder in the state of North Carolina. My carry status is [armed | unarmed] today."

When armed (which is basically any time I'm in a state that recognizes my CCH and not in a gun-free zone), I'll add: "The firearm is located at [description of where the firearm is located]."

If I'm in my primary vehicle (which has secured handgun and long gun storage), I'll also indicate whether anything is secured in either location.

I do the above regardless of whether duty to inform is a legal requirement, and the reason I do it is so that the officer is better-informed as to the situation; I consider it a polite courtesy. Also, if in my vehicle I cross my wrists and lay them open palm up near the 10 o'clock and 2 o'clock positions of the steering wheel and I do not move around (to gather materials, roll down the window, etc.) until after the officer approaches, sees this, bids me roll down the window ... and the foregoing has been declared/disclosed. In addition, I ask permission to move (say to obtain my DL, registration, etc.) before doing so ... and make known what I am getting and from where as part of the request for permission. Finally, I hand over my CCH permit with the requested materials regardless of whether it was asked for, as I feel it helps validate the truthfulness of my initial statement on the spot.

I realize some people may see this as absurd, but again, I do it as a polite courtesy ... for both the officer's and my own safety. To each his/her own.

What makes my head go confused sideways dog-look, is how people that profess to be deeply informed and in touch with the law, and willing to go overboard for conditional safety or perception, don't even know what kind of permit they have.
 
I was in a parking lot after kayaking with some greenie tree hugger types once, and suddenly there were both red and blue lights everywhere. Someone had reported an overturned boat. I had seen this boat. If I told a cop, I’d have to disclose and those Champions Of Tolerance would have kicked me out of their little club. So I told a fireman instead.

I also rode up on a checkpoint one day with a truck full of Boy Scouts. BSA official policy is that the boys are safer when the leaders are utterly helpless to protect them. If I had disclosed, every parent would have known before I even got them home. Fortunately, I was in Virginia, and didn’t need to disclose.
 
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What makes my head go confused sideways dog-look, is how people that profess to be deeply informed and in touch with the law, and willing to go overboard for conditional safety or perception, don't even know what kind of permit they have.
What makes my head go confused sideways dog-look is how one person seems to be hung up on the acronym others use with respect to a NC concealed handgun permit to the point of making multiple snarky posts about it. Core to this is that people know what is meant by the following: CHP, CCH, CCW, CCP, and the like ... and just because that person is hung up on acronym use doesn't mean the rest of the world cares enough to be equally stuck on something so trivial/petty.
 
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What makes my head go confused sideways dog-look is how one person seems to be hung up on the acronym others use with respect to a NC concealed handgun permit to the point of making multiple snarky posts about it. Core to this is that people know what is meant by the following: CHP, CCH, CCW, CCP, and the like ... and just because that person is hung up on acronym use doesn't mean the rest of the world cares enough to be equally stuck on something so trivial/petty.
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If I may (my spidey force sense tells me I’m gonna regret sticking my finger into this socket)…

NC’s concealed permit is very specific to a handgun. They made it clear in my class that it is NOT a CCW like other states as it will not cover other concealed weapons.

So the use of the proper acronym is warranted and important. Especially if we’re going to argue-bate (just made that one up) at each other on the Internet about the intricacies of a law.
 
So the use of the proper acronym is warranted and important. Especially if we’re going to argue-bate (just made that one up) at each other on the Internet about the intricacies of a law.
My counter to this is that if everyone who has a NC concealed handgun permit knows that it's handgun only (which they should, because the class is obliged to cover it), then the acronym that's used to represent the permit, itself, is completely immaterial/irrelevant ... since everyone with the permit is supposed to know it's handgun-specific, anyway. Moreover, someone who does NOT have the permit won't know what the acronym means without looking it up (which they'll do with a any of the other acronyms, too)... and this, again, makes the acronym immaterial/irrelevant.

Given the foregoing, any acronym that alludes to what is meant with respect to concealed handgun permits in NC (regardless if 100% accurate) ... tends to suffice to convey intended meaning when conversing in a carolina-specific group/forum about the NC permit. (i.e. People know what is meant so long as the acronym used is 'close enough' ... and that's all that's needed/required with respect to conveying intended meaning.)
 
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